What FaceBook fails to disclose is that it actually earns revenue in other ways, such as paid advertising, during these events. It also collects user data that it uses to target those ads, and relies on the visits to its properties during those events to pitch its ad services to its advertising customers.
Nobody is forcing Facebook to use Apple’s AppStore. As far as I can remember, Facebook had released very proudly a few years ago an own phone and called him the killer of the iPhone. Dear Facebook, may I ask you , where is your killer gone now? Why you don’t use your own phone to avoid the 30% of AppStore. This is the best solution of your problem.
Mark can suck it! He should maybe tell his products they're aren't his customers the adverts are. If you ain't paying but using it ain't free someone is paying for you.
None of these companies understand their are costs to doing business that have to be factored into your price. The list is long and always grows.
My example of this is my storefront is in the mall, which is the most desirable location. If I want to be in there I have to meet the demands of the landlord and follow the rules set forth by them. My choices are to pay the price or leave the mall for a less desirable location that will significantly impact my revenue.
I cannot demand lower rent because I do not like the existing amount. Negotiate too hard and the landlord can choose not to renew. The landlord can also refuse to negotiate (or price me out) when my lease expires forcing me to leave. stir up too much trouble and I could be kicked out. Add to that every tenant having different lease agreements and no one knows what the other tenants are paying.
It is about as lopsided a relationship as there is. The App Store is easy street. Some simple rules at a flat fee that is known upfront. This is something every store owner dreams of.
If anything comes of this the consumer will be the only loser. I have yet to hear one iPhone user complain about the App Store. I’ll add that if any of the App Store haters believe things will be cheaper if the rules are changed they will be unpleasantly surprised when new rules are put in place such as -minimum app pricing -higher development kit costs -submittal and review costs -per download costs charged to the app owner
These seem absurd now, but nothing is off the table once the the rules change.
The customer should not be brought into the business negotiations.
Facebook doesn’t need to be talking to customers about their hosting/serving, and stocking fees.
That should be invisible to the consumer.
Low class move by Facebook and obviously purposely designed to try to affect the minds of those who use facebooks app.
30% is a good rate. And one you see everywhere. It’s also part of partnering in business. Apple doesn’t exist to give away free stuff any more than any other business.
These companies are taking in money hand over fiat and they have the gall to try to skip the payments they owe - like they are somehow victims of injustice.
Shameful. Apple should charge those thst try to harm them an extra 5%.
At the same time my banking app on iOS works without ‘taxes’.
So it is possible. But Facebook has own agenda, not the goal to help others as they claim.
I wonder if it actually is working without "taxes." With Duck-Duck-Go Privacy Essentials on my Mac (Big Sur includes this capability) I can see all the trackers and everything else hidden from view on websites. I presume iOS apps use some of the same hidden things, especially google-analytics and doubleclick (this is what it shows for this webpage). I'm not sure how to determine if your banking app is or isn't doing anything in the background without these types of trackers and hidden things. It's very difficult to go anywhere on the web without running into these two main trackers or having bad privacy practices. Youtube shows zero trackers but poor security practices including unprotected sites. There's a lot of things that go into writing apps as well as web pages that people aren't aware of. If you try and block all of them the website just won't work.
For the same
reason, Facebook should also report how much money they are making per each costumer
in any day, per month, or per year, as well, the margins per user in this so
called “free application”. It might be more than 30%.
As I understand it, Facebook basically wants to allow small businesses to receive donations through the platform, without taking a cut and wants Apple to do the same. It doesn’t seem like an unreasonable suggestion to me. Are there no App Store fee waivers for donations?
I don't see anything stopping Facebook from providing this service to small businesses for free, if they are really so charitable, without having to ask Apple to chip in.
As I understand it, Facebook basically wants to allow small businesses to receive donations through the platform, without taking a cut and wants Apple to do the same. It doesn’t seem like an unreasonable suggestion to me. Are there no App Store fee waivers for donations?
I sincerely hope people understand what Facebook is up to. They are not innocent.
As I understand it, Facebook basically wants to allow small businesses to receive donations through the platform, without taking a cut and wants Apple to do the same. It doesn’t seem like an unreasonable suggestion to me. Are there no App Store fee waivers for donations?
Reasonable. Do payment transaction services ever do this?
None of these companies understand their are costs to doing business that have to be factored into your price. The list is long and always grows.
My example of this is my storefront is in the mall, which is the most desirable location. If I want to be in there I have to meet the demands of the landlord and follow the rules set forth by them. My choices are to pay the price or leave the mall for a less desirable location that will significantly impact my revenue.
I cannot demand lower rent because I do not like the existing amount. Negotiate too hard and the landlord can choose not to renew. The landlord can also refuse to negotiate (or price me out) when my lease expires forcing me to leave. stir up too much trouble and I could be kicked out. Add to that every tenant having different lease agreements and no one knows what the other tenants are paying.
It is about as lopsided a relationship as there is. The App Store is easy street. Some simple rules at a flat fee that is known upfront. This is something every store owner dreams of.
If anything comes of this the consumer will be the only loser. I have yet to hear one iPhone user complain about the App Store. I’ll add that if any of the App Store haters believe things will be cheaper if the rules are changed they will be unpleasantly surprised when new rules are put in place such as -minimum app pricing -higher development kit costs -submittal and review costs -per download costs charged to the app owner
These seem absurd now, but nothing is off the table once the the rules change.
I agree. But I, as a user, do have complaints about the App Store. Not about prices or the way it controls what is installable on my iOS devices (except for when older iOS versions are blocked).
I think the discovery of apps is poor. The categories suck, the many tons of garbage apps (and opportunists selling the same junky open-source ports) need to be deleted, and the search-result ads need to be dropped.
For the same
reason, Facebook should also report how much money they are making per each costumer
in any day, per month, or per year, as well, the margins per user in this so
called “free application”. It might be more than 30%.
I’d like a cut of that income. It’s my effing data, after all. 🧐
As I understand it, Facebook basically wants to allow small businesses to receive donations through the platform, without taking a cut and wants Apple to do the same. It doesn’t seem like an unreasonable suggestion to me. Are there no App Store fee waivers for donations?
I don't see anything stopping Facebook from providing this service to small businesses for free, if they are really so charitable, without having to ask Apple to chip in.
Mark Zuckerberg is our generation's version of Alfred Nobel. Unfortunately, he hasn't reached the point where he realizes that his creations, despite their great naive promise, can also have an enormously destructive influence on humanity when used for nefarious purposes or weaponized. If Zuckerberg has a molecule of humanity in his soul he will devote some of his remaining time during his lifetime to mitigate the destructive influences of social media, at least the weapon-grade variety we currently see deployed, and offer incentives for using the platform for greater good rather than simply as a way to siphon personal profits from the exploitation of human weaknesses, political vulgarities, and cognitive biases.
No, social media and Facebook are not inherently evil, but Facebook and Zuckerberg can no longer act like an impartial or neutral spectator at the modern day equivalent of the Roman Coliseum that he has created, one that is always open for spectacle. He could and should do much more and not leave it to a "Zuckerberg Peace Prize" postmortem legacy to try to cleanse his soul of his current acceptance of wrongdoing. The fact that Facebook is now weaponizing their own platform against a sometimes business partner, and oftentimes competitor, like Apple is particularly despicable.
What small business named Facebook. Go back and whine to all your customers with a transparency statement that reads “for years we stole your personal data to determine your habits so we could target you by selling that info to others.” Then let’s hear your response to transparency.
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Dear Facebook, may I ask you , where is your killer gone now? Why you don’t use your own phone to avoid the 30% of AppStore. This is the best solution of your problem.
I cannot demand lower rent because I do not like the existing amount. Negotiate too hard and the landlord can choose not to renew. The landlord can also refuse to negotiate (or price me out) when my lease expires forcing me to leave. stir up too much trouble and I could be kicked out. Add to that every tenant having different lease agreements and no one knows what the other tenants are paying.
-minimum app pricing
-higher development kit costs
-submittal and review costs
-per download costs charged to the app owner
For the same reason, Facebook should also report how much money they are making per each costumer in any day, per month, or per year, as well, the margins per user in this so called “free application”. It might be more than 30%.
I think the discovery of apps is poor. The categories suck, the many tons of garbage apps (and opportunists selling the same junky open-source ports) need to be deleted, and the search-result ads need to be dropped.
No, social media and Facebook are not inherently evil, but Facebook and Zuckerberg can no longer act like an impartial or neutral spectator at the modern day equivalent of the Roman Coliseum that he has created, one that is always open for spectacle. He could and should do much more and not leave it to a "Zuckerberg Peace Prize" postmortem legacy to try to cleanse his soul of his current acceptance of wrongdoing. The fact that Facebook is now weaponizing their own platform against a sometimes business partner, and oftentimes competitor, like Apple is particularly despicable.