YouTube restricts iOS 14 picture-in-picture feature to Premium subscribers, 4K not availab...

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  • Reply 21 of 59
    Weak. PiP is the best part of iOS 14. Google sucks ass.
    StrangeDaysmagman1979Beatswatto_cobra
  • Reply 22 of 59
    Still no 4K on YouTube for AppleTV and for MacOS Safari. Google will need to update the Apple TV app and/or the software at the server level that target these platforms. FYI - Chrome browser on MacOS can display 4K video, looks gorgeous on the iMac.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 23 of 59
    djaxe said:
    It’s intentional. YouTube offers a music subscription like Apple Music and Spotify. It would be a free loophole to YouTube your favorite band then hide the video to scroll through Facebook etc. 

    That’s too bad, I alway believed Picture-In-Picture was a Comcast “Stream” feature.  Comcast must have been quick to adopt it.  I’ve had Picture In Picture since the second beta of iOS 14.  

    Comcast also wisely included music channels. 

    AT&T TV Now and HBO NOW doesn’t seem to support Picture In Picture in their apps either.  I’m rarely using AT&T anymore maybe it’s time to finally cancel that service. 
    edited September 2020 watto_cobra
  • Reply 24 of 59
    Use CornerTube to get pip 
    StrangeDayswatto_cobra
  • Reply 25 of 59
    Dang google sucks so bad 

    making users pay for APPLE’S BUILT IN FEATURES???

    They better be paying Apple a large cut. 

    Better yet, “don’t be evil” and stop making users pay for what their phone can already do. 

    And limiting 4K in a 4K era? 

    Dang. 

    The sooner youtube has an honest to goodness competitor, the better. 
    StrangeDaysmagman1979Beatswatto_cobra
  • Reply 26 of 59
    They are baiting Apple. They smell blood the water with all the anti-competitive rhetoric surrounding the App Store, and they are daring Apple to take action. They can’t be happy with having to pay billions each quarter to be the default search engine and then have Apple add the anti-tracking feature to the new iOS update. This is a long game move. 

    watto_cobra
  • Reply 27 of 59
    “While the feature remains free to use on iPad (at least through Safari),”

    ...no, it’s not “at least”, it’s “only”. The PiP feature is absolutely disabled on iPadOS youtube. 

    This is no different than BMW charging for CarPlay use. 
    edited September 2020 tmaywatto_cobra
  • Reply 28 of 59
    I have Premium and iOS14 but no PiP button when I play a video.....
    Beatswatto_cobra
  • Reply 29 of 59
    crowleycrowley Posts: 8,817member
    polymnia said:
    rob53 said:
    bsnjon said:
    I know that it is hard to accept, but YouTube’s product is very bad and people should stop using it. 
    What’s its replacement?
    Vimeo? Creators pay to host their video. No ads. No weird technical roadblocks designed protect ad revenue. 
    Vimeo is fine, but it's no replacement for YouTube.  People make a living off YouTube; YouTuber is actually a profession.  No one is making a salary off being a Vimeo-er.
    chemengin1
  • Reply 30 of 59
    sflocalsflocal Posts: 5,762member
    rob53 said:
    Youtube is the other way around, creators get paid by views and subscribing. I hate the ads but lots of people have turned youtube into a paying job. Vimeo is nice but it doesn't anywhere near the number of videos or views that Youtube has. 
    iOS developers use Apple's proprietary platform to create content, in which Apple's user community uses.  Developers get paid by Apple for their work by a pre-determined, contractually agreed-upon amount.

    YouTube creators use YouTubes proprietary platform to create content in which the YouTube user-community uses.  Content creators get paid by YouTube for their work by a pre-determined, contractually agreed-upon amount.

    Do you see Vimeo demanding to force YouTube to open up it's platform so it can get a free ride off of YouTube's work?
    magman1979Beatswatto_cobra
  • Reply 31 of 59
    To me, this sounds like „negotiation material“ when the contracts between Apple and Google are up for a renewal.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 32 of 59
    avon b7 said:
    svanstrom said:
    avon b7 said:
    YouTube is my go-to option for many things.

    In my case, at least so far, ads are not a problem. 

    It enjoys a dominant position for providing what users and content creators have wanted. That swings both ways though and alternatives will be ready to step in if over monetization becomes a deterrent to enjoying content. That applies to the content creators too. 

    YouTube is a business and restricting PiP might be a purely business decision. iOS users still have access to the content. It's not a big deal. 

    As Apple develops its streaming knowhow it could even enter direct competition with YouTube. 

    Competition is good and with the GMS/Huawei situation I am already testing the Google free world (free of GMS requirements). The only way competition can take a hold is if users give it a chance. 

    Also, Apple could possibly choose to make any video content playable in a floating window if it needed (via iOS updates). 
    Competition is good, he said… after competition just made a third party service go out of their way to cripple a native, universal, feature of a major OS.
    Let's forget for a moment how far behind Apple has been with this kind of 'native' feature and put it into perspective. 

    Apple provides a simple hook to the functionality. No more than that. Developers can see fit do with it what they want. 
    Nah, not quite like that; it's not as much a hook that a third party can use to implement the feature, as a fundamental part of the platform, which a service can go out of their way to disable. Big diff.
    Beatswatto_cobra
  • Reply 33 of 59
    Its still possible to play YouTube in pip mode in the iPhone in safari. If you force the website to load in desktop mode, the you can still activate Picture in Picture. For the rest, install an adblocker to help against the ads on YouTube.  
    JosephAUBeatswatto_cobra
  • Reply 34 of 59
    YouTube seems to just ignore or seek to defeat OS level functionality when it comes to vintent it streams, it f’s with captioning tools, windowing across screens and audio output choices. In TV OS the swipe down control is totally ignored and the long press to invoke audio or HomeKit etc is flaky only on the YouTube app. Hmmmm 
    Beatswatto_cobra
  • Reply 35 of 59
    This is absolutely absurd.

    0. Apple does not make iMessage available to Android.
    1. Apple does not make iTunes available to Android even though it is available for Windows.
    2. Apple releases AppleTV+ on every platform but Google Android including Fire TV (non-Google Android).
    3. Apple blocks Stadia entirely, depriving it of any chance of gaining a subscriber base before superior xCloud launched (and before Amazon Prime Gaming Cloud launches in 2021).

    And you folks are upset that Google isn't supporting a single brand new feature on iOS

    Wow, talk about entitled. People who own both Android and Apple devices - yes there are a lot of us - don't even have iCloud apps. We have to use the website. Yet you expect top tier support for a feature that was enabled just Tuesday? From a competitor?

    Let me put it another way. You are only now able to make Chrome and Gmail default apps on iOS. (Or at least you will when Google gets around to updating the apps.) Unlike PIP for Apple, Chrome and Gmail are vital services for Google's survival!

    Even better: Apple won't even let apps named "Android" in the App Store! Google had to rename them "Google" and change their entire branding strategy! 

    Look, Google isn't obligated to allow iOS access to YouTube at all. So long as it is available to Windows and macOS through the browser, it isn't a monopoly. (Google infamously refused to provide YouTube, Gmail, Chrome and Google Docs apps to Windows Phone, remember?) And even if it is a monopoly, so what? Google has just as much right to monopolize services for its own platform as Apple had the right to buy Dark Sky, delete it from the Google Play Store and cancel the service for its millions of Android subscribers, turn off its API that was used by dozens of Android apps and even shut down its website!

    Wow, isn't someone - anyone - out there willing or able to provide a reality check here?
    dewmegatorguyFileMakerFellersuperklotonmuthuk_vanalingam
  • Reply 36 of 59
    YouTube seems to just ignore or seek to defeat OS level functionality when it comes to vintent it streams, it f’s with captioning tools, windowing across screens and audio output choices. In TV OS the swipe down control is totally ignored and the long press to invoke audio or HomeKit etc is flaky only on the YouTube app. Hmmmm 
    You are aware that Google isn't obligated to provide a YouTube app to iOS at all?
    1. Apple certainly exercises this prerogative (where Apple Music and Move to iOS are literally the only two Apple apps in the Play Store).
    2. Google also removed their YouTube app from Amazon devices for a time (because Amazon was refusing to sell Android TV, Chromecast and Nest devices).
    3. Google never provided YouTube (or Gmail, Chrome or anything else) to Windows Phone during that platform's entire history.

    Seriously, what is it that makes people believe that Google or anyone else is obligated to provide any particular app or service to Apple? People generally want to provide apps and services to Apple because they like making money off Apple consumers. But Google and everyone else has as much right to reserve their apps and services for their own platform - or even provide their apps and services to every platform but Apple's, as Apple is currently doing by providing Apple TV+ to every platform but Android, including even Fire TV which is also Android which lets you know that the limitation isn't technical in any way - as Apple or anyone else.
    dewmeBeatsFileMakerFellersuperklotonmuthuk_vanalingamavon b7
  • Reply 37 of 59
    dewmedewme Posts: 3,873member
    I have to agree with Cloudguy on this one. No big deal at all, and certainly nothing to lose any sleep over.

    Do the math on the cost vs benefit of YouTube (free) and it's a pretty good deal even compared to over the air TV and radio. Where else can you be both entertained and educated (edutained) for hours on end, for free, watching insane Russians crashing their cars into one another just for our entertainment? They're even nice enough to mount dash-cams in all of their vehicles so we get a Russian-driver's-eye-view of the carnage. Having to watch all this fine edutainment in a full sized foreground window is a small price to pay for the knowledge that there are even crazier people on the planet than the one's we have to contend with in our everyday lives, and ourselves. Throw in a few dozen more "Epic Fails" YouTube videos and suddenly you're feeling pretty darn good about yourself, maybe not to the point of polishing up your Mensa application, but maybe ready to pursue your lifelong dream of launching "Basement Life" magazine - or making your own YouTube videos.


    cloudguyFileMakerFellerwatto_cobra
  • Reply 38 of 59
    elijahgelijahg Posts: 2,388member
    The YT app is hideous on both iOS and tvOS. The custom playback controls are to mimic Android and are completely non-standard from a graphical and functional perspective on iOS. Its absolute junk.
    Beatswatto_cobra
  • Reply 39 of 59
    PiP works on You Tube in iOS if you set desktop mode and use Safari. 

    dewmewatto_cobra
  • Reply 40 of 59
    BeatsBeats Posts: 2,550member
    svanstrom said:
    avon b7 said:
    YouTube is my go-to option for many things.

    In my case, at least so far, ads are not a problem. 

    It enjoys a dominant position for providing what users and content creators have wanted. That swings both ways though and alternatives will be ready to step in if over monetization becomes a deterrent to enjoying content. That applies to the content creators too. 

    YouTube is a business and restricting PiP might be a purely business decision. iOS users still have access to the content. It's not a big deal. 

    As Apple develops its streaming knowhow it could even enter direct competition with YouTube. 

    Competition is good and with the GMS/Huawei situation I am already testing the Google free world (free of GMS requirements). The only way competition can take a hold is if users give it a chance. 

    Also, Apple could possibly choose to make any video content playable in a floating window if it needed (via iOS updates). 
    Competition is good, he said… after competition just made a third party service go out of their way to cripple a native, universal, feature of a major OS.

    "Competition is good" is a meme repeated by copycat defenders.

    Same as "copying inspires innovation" bullshit.
    watto_cobra
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