Judge temporarily halts Trump administration's TikTok ban

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  • Reply 21 of 26
    gatorguy said:
    SpamSandwich said: Then you haven’t been paying attention. It was widely discussed that the app had full access to the contents of a device’s clipboard before they were called to the carpet over that fact. In addition, their unwillingness to hand over their source code during this company sale process has been very informative.
    Same question again: how would access to the clipboard of a civilian TikTok user be a threat to national security? There isn't going to be anything classified on there. 
    The same question was asked and the rationale offered here:
    https://www.vox.com/recode/2020/8/11/21363092/why-is-tiktok-national-security-threat-wechat-trump-ban

    Not buying their excuses. This is 100% about Trump being made a fool of at his Tulsa rally.

    The reasoning they give (government employee might also have sensitive information on their phones) is pure bullshit. Anyone in government in any sort of position with access to such information would have a managed device with severe restrictions. They couldn’t even install Tik Tok on their phones in the first place.

    To imply that people who work for the FBI, CIA, military, federal government or any other agency got their phone from Verizon or AT&T and set it up themselves with their own personal number is beyond ridiculous.
    Thanks for your valuable opinion, Chinese government mouthpiece.
  • Reply 22 of 26
    amazing how people have come to defend Tik Tok given how much Tencent contributed to the genocide in China as well as the persecution of Chinese people who don't agree with the government...I don't care about Trump's motive in this...if banned, it will keep millions of dollars from going to the pockets of a rat company who has contributed to the murder of innocent people.
  • Reply 23 of 26
    georgie01 said: The thing that concerns me is not a TikTok ban but that so many politicians and organisations and citizens are wilfully blind toward China’s government, despite there being overwhelming evidence that they are not passive and innocent and are a real threat to the US.
    I've never seen anyone explain what threat is possible from China via data that TikTok could collect from a civilian user. Usually national security threats related to data would involve classified information, not the type of info that a civilian user of TikTok might provide when using the app.


    Here goes the explanation you might be looking for. I will preface, I don’t have verifiable facts to back most of this up, it is a personal theory but I think it holds some weight.


    The CCP surveillance program has in recent years moved to AI to track its own citizens. To do this they required massive datasets of faces to power it, which ironically are all Chinese. The programs they are rolling out are continuing to get better in their recognition but the big hole in their surveillance is foreigners as they are not in the original datasets.

    This is where Tik Tok steps into it’s own. Not only does it provide video snapshots for massive datasets of faces from foreigners, the world over, it also provides another invaluable dataset, how individual faces change over time(especially the young). This particular dataset will enable the possibility of the AI to extrapolate what someone looks like if they haven’t been in the system for a number of years.

    This could help the CCP to catch any returning countrymen or intermittent foreigners entering the country or just track an individuals movements. Then there is the much more sinister thought process. They are just lining up their ducks, so when they invade or take over a western country they can implement their surveillance system roll out on day one.
  • Reply 24 of 26
    georgie01 said: The thing that concerns me is not a TikTok ban but that so many politicians and organisations and citizens are wilfully blind toward China’s government, despite there being overwhelming evidence that they are not passive and innocent and are a real threat to the US.
    I've never seen anyone explain what threat is possible from China via data that TikTok could collect from a civilian user. Usually national security threats related to data would involve classified information, not the type of info that a civilian user of TikTok might provide when using the app.
    Then you haven’t been paying attention. It was widely discussed that the app had full access to the contents of a device’s clipboard before they were called to the carpet over that fact. In addition, their unwillingness to hand over their source code during this company sale process has been very informative.

    No, he was right....
    There is yet to be a shred of evidence produce that shows TikTok is a national security threat.  
    Instead, that's simply a means Trump discovered to justify his illegal and unconstitutional actions.   In truth, the only threat TikTok poses is to Chump and his buddy Zuckerberg.  Zuckerberg doesn't want competition to FaceBook and Trump can't control TikTok -- and he experienced the results of that during his humiliation in Tulsa.   The answer was simple:   Call it a national security threat and shut it down or at least bring it in where he could control it.
    dewme
  • Reply 25 of 26
    gatorguy said:
    SpamSandwich said: Then you haven’t been paying attention. It was widely discussed that the app had full access to the contents of a device’s clipboard before they were called to the carpet over that fact. In addition, their unwillingness to hand over their source code during this company sale process has been very informative.
    Same question again: how would access to the clipboard of a civilian TikTok user be a threat to national security? There isn't going to be anything classified on there. 
    The same question was asked and the rationale offered here:
    https://www.vox.com/recode/2020/8/11/21363092/why-is-tiktok-national-security-threat-wechat-trump-ban

    Not buying their excuses. This is 100% about Trump being made a fool of at his Tulsa rally.

    The reasoning they give (government employee might also have sensitive information on their phones) is pure bullshit. Anyone in government in any sort of position with access to such information would have a managed device with severe restrictions. They couldn’t even install Tik Tok on their phones in the first place.

    To imply that people who work for the FBI, CIA, military, federal government or any other agency got their phone from Verizon or AT&T and set it up themselves with their own personal number is beyond ridiculous.

    There is more to that as well:
    Not only are the excuses far fetched and obviously fabricated not from facts but to support an agenda, 

    That is:   not a single one of Trump's claims about China being a national security threat are based on any intelligence assessments.   Rather, they flow from his (and his far right, hardline advisors) that China MIGHT do something!

    Since when does the U.S. cower in fear over the paranoid speculations of a madman?
    dewmespheric
  • Reply 26 of 26
    civa said:
    gatorguy said:
    SpamSandwich said: Then you haven’t been paying attention. It was widely discussed that the app had full access to the contents of a device’s clipboard before they were called to the carpet over that fact. In addition, their unwillingness to hand over their source code during this company sale process has been very informative.
    Same question again: how would access to the clipboard of a civilian TikTok user be a threat to national security? There isn't going to be anything classified on there. 
    The same question was asked and the rationale offered here:
    https://www.vox.com/recode/2020/8/11/21363092/why-is-tiktok-national-security-threat-wechat-trump-ban

    Not buying their excuses. This is 100% about Trump being made a fool of at his Tulsa rally.

    The reasoning they give (government employee might also have sensitive information on their phones) is pure bullshit. Anyone in government in any sort of position with access to such information would have a managed device with severe restrictions. They couldn’t even install Tik Tok on their phones in the first place.

    To imply that people who work for the FBI, CIA, military, federal government or any other agency got their phone from Verizon or AT&T and set it up themselves with their own personal number is beyond ridiculous.
    Wrong. Tik Tok knew this was coming and staged the Tulsa thing, which the media falsely highlighted, as shown by real video from the rally. 
    I myself started looking at where the app store affiliates were located a long time ago, due to the fact I know China is a big security hole. 

    Tik Tok is a security hole. Just because YOU don't know the specifics does not make that untrue. 

    Best to comment on subjects you actually have knowledge of. 
    And YOU DO know the specifics of the security hole?  If so, you're the only one.  You might follow your own advice about commenting on things you actually have knowledge of.
    GeorgeBMacspheric
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