and what is someone supposed to do in a self driving car, sit and watch? The only utility I see is if you are drunk out of your head, but then again unless someone tells you so you are going to want to drive anyway, sad but true.
I don't know about you, but would not mind sleeping if the self-driving runs to perfection. Pre-covid, my commute going to work was 1 hour going in and 1 1/2 hours coming back home (Washington DC, 2nd worse traffic in the nation). A nap would be very nice...……...and I'm sure frisky people will do the other meaning for "sleeping"
and what is someone supposed to do in a self driving car, sit and watch? The only utility I see is if you are drunk out of your head, but then again unless someone tells you so you are going to want to drive anyway, sad but true.
I don't know about you, but would not mind sleeping if the self-driving runs to perfection. Pre-covid, my commute going to work was 1 hour going in and 1 1/2 hours coming back home (Washington DC, 2nd worse traffic in the nation). A nap would be very nice...……...and I'm sure frisky people will do the other meaning for "sleeping"
Those are just a few reasons why autonomous “loaner cars” are a bad idea. With no human driver to keep those with terrible decision making skills in check, these cars would quickly become sewers on wheels.
Lots of chatter about an Apple Car from different sources - someone has said something.
All this for something that no one is really sure exists
You'd have to be an abject moron if you think this project doesn't exist based on all the evidence we have seen. Like lists of actual humans with automotive jobs working there. How many patents at this point covering every aspect of an automotive system. Etc.
You'd also have to be an abject moron to rely on rumors to arrive at a conclusion one way or the other. So congrats, mission accomplished.
And no, the fact that "actualy humans with automotive jobs work[] there" does not mean Apple will be manufacturing a car. There are also people working at Apple whose sole job is display engineering, but Apple does not sell TVs. There are a myriad of automotive products within a car that these people could be working on.
and what is someone supposed to do in a self driving car, sit and watch? The only utility I see is if you are drunk out of your head, but then again unless someone tells you so you are going to want to drive anyway, sad but true.
I don't know about you, but would not mind sleeping if the self-driving runs to perfection. Pre-covid, my commute going to work was 1 hour going in and 1 1/2 hours coming back home (Washington DC, 2nd worse traffic in the nation). A nap would be very nice...……...and I'm sure frisky people will do the other meaning for "sleeping"
The Google and FaceBook cars will encourage your mindset and have cameras so as to gather saleable material.
Lots of chatter about an Apple Car from different sources - someone has said something.
All this for something that no one is really sure exists
You'd have to be an abject moron if you think this project doesn't exist based on all the evidence we have seen. Like lists of actual humans with automotive jobs working there. How many patents at this point covering every aspect of an automotive system. Etc.
You'd also have to be an abject moron to rely on rumors to arrive at a conclusion one way or the other. So congrats, mission accomplished.
And no, the fact that "actualy humans with automotive jobs work[] there" does not mean Apple will be manufacturing a car. There are also people working at Apple whose sole job is display engineering, but Apple does not sell TVs. There are a myriad of automotive products within a car that these people could be working on.
I must be missing something in your analogy there. So iMacs and Apple Monitors don't require display engineering?
I totally understand all the doubters, Sachs included. After all, Apple has never entered a mature market they had no experience in and completely annihilated all existing companies, say... like selling software, music, phones, tablets, earbuds, watches, or CPUs and GPUs. What are we thinking to believe Apple could turn the automotive industry upside down? How could they possibly afford the billions it would take? Come on guys get real
EVs & self-driving cars are not a mature market, they're both still in their infancy. Petrol cars are a mature market, but Apple is having none of that.
I don’t believe the Apple Car rumors at all. It makes no sense. It costs $10-15 billion to launch a car company.
Apple must be planning something different. Something we haven’t thought of as of yet. That’s how they do.
Are you completely oblivious to Apple's current cash pile? They literally can't spend their money fast enough to keep it down.
And are you completely oblivious to how fast they could burn through cash with a failed auto venture? Never mind, I guess you are.
No one saying Apple isn't going to get into the car business, just that it's far from a given and all we have are rumors. But hey, what's not to believe, right? Lord knows there haven’t been any other rumors that have been wrong...
I don’t believe the Apple Car rumors at all. It makes no sense. It costs $10-15 billion to launch a car company.
Apple must be planning something different. Something we haven’t thought of as of yet. That’s how they do.
You do realize they spent $3 billion on a company that made headphones. You're talking about money they have in between their couch cushions. (Yes, it's a big couch.)
I think it’s the IP and the talent that they are after the Beats
I don’t believe the Apple Car rumors at all. It makes no sense. It costs $10-15 billion to launch a car company.
Apple must be planning something different. Something we haven’t thought of as of yet. That’s how they do.
You do realize they spent $3 billion on a company that made headphones. You're talking about money they have in between their couch cushions. (Yes, it's a big couch.)
I think it’s the IP and the talent that they are after the Beats
Yup, talent and/or IP is what they’re chasing in all their acquisitions.
Lots of chatter about an Apple Car from different sources - someone has said something.
All this for something that no one is really sure exists
You'd have to be an abject moron if you think this project doesn't exist based on all the evidence we have seen. Like lists of actual humans with automotive jobs working there. How many patents at this point covering every aspect of an automotive system. Etc.
You'd also have to be an abject moron to rely on rumors to arrive at a conclusion one way or the other. So congrats, mission accomplished.
And no, the fact that "actualy humans with automotive jobs work[] there" does not mean Apple will be manufacturing a car. There are also people working at Apple whose sole job is display engineering, but Apple does not sell TVs. There are a myriad of automotive products within a car that these people could be working on.
Pretty sure they didn’t acquire drive.ai for improving iPhones. Fun fact, drive.ai were doing full self driving in the rain at night 3 years ago. Wonder how far it’s come since being worked on with Apples resources
Lots of chatter about an Apple Car from different sources - someone has said something.
All this for something that no one is really sure exists
You'd have to be an abject moron if you think this project doesn't exist based on all the evidence we have seen. Like lists of actual humans with automotive jobs working there. How many patents at this point covering every aspect of an automotive system. Etc.
You'd also have to be an abject moron to rely on rumors to arrive at a conclusion one way or the other. So congrats, mission accomplished.
And no, the fact that "actualy humans with automotive jobs work[] there" does not mean Apple will be manufacturing a car. There are also people working at Apple whose sole job is display engineering, but Apple does not sell TVs. There are a myriad of automotive products within a car that these people could be working on.
Pretty sure they didn’t acquire drive.ai for improving iPhones. Fun fact, drive.ai were doing full self driving in the rain at night 3 years ago. Wonder how far it’s come since being worked on with Apples resources
One of the thing that makes me think apple's plans and/or progress is not what we think it is is we haven't seen testing of an apple car to speak of. There were some sightings of a Lexus outfitted with extra sensors a few years ago, but I haven't seen anything else. If Apple was planning on releasing their own car in 2023, they should have prototypes driving already. As many have pointed out, they may be working on the software and AI to license to car makers rather than developing the car themselves, or have an partnership with another manufacturer.
Lots of chatter about an Apple Car from different sources - someone has said something.
All this for something that no one is really sure exists
You'd have to be an abject moron if you think this project doesn't exist based on all the evidence we have seen. Like lists of actual humans with automotive jobs working there. How many patents at this point covering every aspect of an automotive system. Etc.
You'd also have to be an abject moron to rely on rumors to arrive at a conclusion one way or the other. So congrats, mission accomplished.
And no, the fact that "actualy humans with automotive jobs work[] there" does not mean Apple will be manufacturing a car. There are also people working at Apple whose sole job is display engineering, but Apple does not sell TVs. There are a myriad of automotive products within a car that these people could be working on.
Pretty sure they didn’t acquire drive.ai for improving iPhones. Fun fact, drive.ai were doing full self driving in the rain at night 3 years ago. Wonder how far it’s come since being worked on with Apples resources
One of the thing that makes me think apple's plans and/or progress is not what we think it is is we haven't seen testing of an apple car to speak of. There were some sightings of a Lexus outfitted with extra sensors a few years ago, but I haven't seen anything else. If Apple was planning on releasing their own car in 2023, they should have prototypes driving already. As many have pointed out, they may be working on the software and AI to license to car makers rather than developing the car themselves, or have an partnership with another manufacturer.
Either way I think 2023 is not realistic
I don't think that 2023 is realistic either, but automobile companies generally use "mules" for most of the early testing, so I wouldn't worry about not seeing an "Apple" car in the wild.
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I don't know about you, but would not mind sleeping if the self-driving runs to perfection. Pre-covid, my commute going to work was 1 hour going in and 1 1/2 hours coming back home (Washington DC, 2nd worse traffic in the nation). A nap would be very nice...……...and I'm sure frisky people will do the other meaning for "sleeping"
And no, the fact that "actualy humans with automotive jobs work[] there" does not mean Apple will be manufacturing a car. There are also people working at Apple whose sole job is display engineering, but Apple does not sell TVs. There are a myriad of automotive products within a car that these people could be working on.
I must be missing something in your analogy there. So iMacs and Apple Monitors don't require display engineering?
No one saying Apple isn't going to get into the car business, just that it's far from a given and all we have are rumors. But hey, what's not to believe, right? Lord knows there haven’t been any other rumors that have been wrong...
Either way I think 2023 is not realistic