French regulator denies advertiser's plea to block Apple anti-tracking feature

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• Reply 1 of 13

  rob53 Posts: 3,251member

  March 17, 2021 2:01PM

  Finally a country with some sense. 

  
• Reply 2 of 13

  iOS_Guy80 Posts: 813member

  March 17, 2021 2:09PM

  👏 Good decision.

  
• Reply 3 of 13

  davgreg Posts: 1,037member

  March 17, 2021 2:30PM

  How these digital stalkers think they have a right to anything belonging to others privacy is just brazen arrogance.
  
  In my work - healthcare - we are governed under the HIPPA law and disclosure of information comes with a considerable fine and the possibility of jail time. These people steal far more sensitive information from you without your consent and then sell it to whomever they please for profit.

  
• Reply 4 of 13

  22july2013 Posts: 3,571member

  March 17, 2021 2:35PM

  When do EU countries have their own regulators and when do they use EU regulators?
• Reply 5 of 13

  anonymouse Posts: 6,860member

  March 17, 2021 2:59PM

  despite advertiser's concerns over small business revenue.

  Yes, I'm sure Facebook and other ad companies are really concerned about small business revenue.

  I think part of the problem here is that when you present a false rationale to a court, it has to at least be plausible.

  
• Reply 6 of 13

  tommikele Posts: 599member

  March 17, 2021 3:25PM

  rob53 said:

  Finally a country with some sense. 

  I would like to think you are right, but it is the EU and the French. This is way far away from the finish line and their socialist economic ideology has a long history of punishing success and subsidizing inefficiency and failure.

  
• Reply 7 of 13

  tommikele Posts: 599member

  March 17, 2021 3:27PM

  
  

  22july2013 said:

  When do EU countries have their own regulators and when do they use EU regulators?

  As soon as they don't get their way with one group they turn to the other group. It is very similar to jurisdiction shopping by lawyers in America. 

  
• Reply 8 of 13

  flydog Posts: 1,123member

  March 17, 2021 5:57PM

  davgreg said:

  How these digital stalkers think they have a right to anything belonging to others privacy is just brazen arrogance.
  
  In my work - healthcare - we are governed under the HIPPA law and disclosure of information comes with a considerable fine and the possibility of jail time. These people steal far more sensitive information from you without your consent and then sell it to whomever they please for profit.

  The information typically gleaned by these apps that is used by advertisers consists of things like age, gender, shopping preferences, and location.  While people have a right to privacy in that kind of information, it is nowhere near as sensitive as health information, such as their blood type or details of someone's cancer treatment.
  
  

  You don't do privacy advocates any favors by throwing our patently absurd examples.
• Reply 9 of 13

  flydog Posts: 1,123member

  March 17, 2021 6:00PM

  
  

  22july2013 said:

  When do EU countries have their own regulators and when do they use EU regulators?

  Countries enforce their own laws.

  
• Reply 10 of 13

  spheric Posts: 2,560member

  March 18, 2021 12:34AM

  tommikele said:

  
  

  22july2013 said:

  When do EU countries have their own regulators and when do they use EU regulators?

  As soon as they don't get their way with one group they turn to the other group. It is very similar to jurisdiction shopping by lawyers in America. 

  You know how in the United States, you have federal laws and state laws? 
  
  Kind of like that. 
  
  We don't actually have an equivalent to the ridiculous "jurisdiction shopping" you get in the States. 

  
• Reply 11 of 13

  lkrupp Posts: 10,557member

  March 18, 2021 1:27PM

  I hope the regulators keep privacy and security in mind when they discuss breaking up Apple or forcing Apple to allow third party app stores. People want privacy but I also think many have given up that dream and accept that their lives are an open book on the internet. 

  
• Reply 12 of 13

  darkvader Posts: 1,146member

  March 18, 2021 6:35PM

  lkrupp said:

  I hope the regulators keep privacy and security in mind when they discuss breaking up Apple or forcing Apple to allow third party app stores. People want privacy but I also think many have given up that dream and accept that their lives are an open book on the internet. 

  
  

  Huh?  Neither of those things have anything to do with privacy or security.

  
  

  Apple should absolutely be forced to allow sideloading apps. It's not like they don't understand the concept, it's the standard on the Mac, almost nobody gets apps from Apple's Mac app store.

  
  

  And Apple absolutely should be broken up at this point.  No company should be allowed to be involved in both media production and distribution, whether that be Comcrap, ATT, Amazon, or Apple.  All four are, and all four should be broken up.  And I'd like to see Apple split up further, either a split of the iDevice division from the Mac division or a split of hardware and operating system divisions.  As big as Apple is, maybe even both splits; a phone and tablet hardware company, a phone and tablet software company, a computer hardware company, and a computer software company.  Split the others too, take apart Amazon's media production, spy hardware, bookstore, and general store divisions.  Splitting ATT into smaller bits like they did in the '80s didn't work, so this time split the wires from the services, take away media production, and split the cell towers from the cell service.  Do the same with Comcrap.

  
  

  Oh, and shut down F*c*book.  They add no value to the world whatsoever, so no splits, just fine them the entire value of the company, shut down the servers and sell them for scrap.  Put *uckerberg in the stocks so people can throw rotten fruit at him.

  
  

  And ban ad tracking.  ALL of it.  Advertising can go back to the old days when if you wanted to advertise you put your ad out there, and you have no idea who sees it, how many people see it, and the only way you get any feedback at all is the digital equivalent of somebody cutting a coupon out of the paper, somebody has to buy something from it.  A website can tell you "We served the page your ad was on 50,000 times, but can't tell you to who, and can't tell you if it was displayed or blocked, just like a newspaper can't tell you if a particular copy was bought to wrap fish or line the birdcage and never read.
  
• Reply 13 of 13

  spheric Posts: 2,560member

  March 18, 2021 7:39PM

  darkvader said:

  lkrupp said:

  I hope the regulators keep privacy and security in mind when they discuss breaking up Apple or forcing Apple to allow third party app stores. People want privacy but I also think many have given up that dream and accept that their lives are an open book on the internet. 

  
  

  Huh?  Neither of those things have anything to do with privacy or security.

  
  

  Apple should absolutely be forced to allow sideloading apps. It's not like they don't understand the concept, it's the standard on the Mac, almost nobody gets apps from Apple's Mac app store.

  The only major malware cases I've seen on the Macs of other users in the last decade or so have been caused by sideloading apps. Apple absolutely understands the concept, and the risks, and that is exactly why they've been systematically locking down the Mac over the past few years to the point where the system and preinstalled apps are locked away on their own write-protected partition. 
  
  The only software I use that I DON'T get from the Mac App Store is audio plug-ins and one of my production suites.
  
  

  And Apple absolutely should be broken up at this point.  No company should be allowed to be involved in both media production and distribution, whether that be Comcrap, ATT, Amazon, or Apple.  All four are, and all four should be broken up.  And I'd like to see Apple split up further, either a split of the iDevice division from the Mac division or a split of hardware and operating system divisions.  As big as Apple is, maybe even both splits; a phone and tablet hardware company, a phone and tablet software company, a computer hardware company, and a computer software company.  Split the others too, take apart Amazon's media production, spy hardware, bookstore, and general store divisions.  Splitting ATT into smaller bits like they did in the '80s didn't work, so this time split the wires from the services, take away media production, and split the cell towers from the cell service.  Do the same with Comcrap.

  
  

  Oh, and shut down F*c*book.  They add no value to the world whatsoever, so no splits, just fine them the entire value of the company, shut down the servers and sell them for scrap.  Put *uckerberg in the stocks so people can throw rotten fruit at him.

  
  

  And ban ad tracking.  ALL of it.  Advertising can go back to the old days when if you wanted to advertise you put your ad out there, and you have no idea who sees it, how many people see it, and the only way you get any feedback at all is the digital equivalent of somebody cutting a coupon out of the paper, somebody has to buy something from it.  A website can tell you "We served the page your ad was on 50,000 times, but can't tell you to who, and can't tell you if it was displayed or blocked, just like a newspaper can't tell you if a particular copy was bought to wrap fish or line the birdcage and never read.
  

  I disagree on breaking up Apple. Beyond that, I'm with you.