Apple to debut 8-inch foldable iPhone in 2023, Kuo says

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  • Reply 21 of 47
    dedgeckodedgecko Posts: 169member
    lol, I doubt it.

    Pardon me while I wait for the official press release. 
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 22 of 47
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 5,904member
    leighr said:
    The problem is that people have much higher expectations of Apple. We expect Samsung phones to be rubbish, poorly built, and for the folding seam to give way after 6-12 months. That’s Samsung, that’s what we expect.  But if Apple delivered such a device, its customers, let alone the media, would not tolerate it (even though the media quite happily accepts Samsung’s “it’s not meant to be touched roughly or with fingernails” caveat). So, until the technology exists for Apple to do it properly, they won’t do it - that’s what Samsung is for. 
    There's a bit of RDF in there.

    Apple has had its fair share of build quality and finish issues and they have been pretty serious. Many are well documented and some (but not all) admitted by the company. 

    The likes of Samsung and Huawei can and do produce amazing build quality and finish. 

    muthuk_vanalingamGeorgeBMac
  • Reply 23 of 47
    sirlance99sirlance99 Posts: 1,274member
    lkrupp said:
    NO NO NO NO NO
    YES YES YES YES YES
  • Reply 24 of 47
    scampercomscampercom Posts: 73member
    Again with the folding? Tch.

    We are decades away from material science that allows semi-rigid materials to bend without breaking. (I know about smart metals.) This is the main reason we have: hinges. So: a flip phone? Maybe I’d allow it. But foldable? Enjoy your cracks, ridges, and stress-fractures.

    Come on, people. Don’t be weird.
    edited May 3 watto_cobra
  • Reply 25 of 47
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 5,904member
    Again with the folding? Tch.

    We are decades away from material science that allows semi-rigid materials to bend without breaking. (I know about smart metals.) This is the main reason we have: hinges. So: a flip phone? Maybe I’d allow it. But foldable? Enjoy your cracks, ridges, and stress-fractures.

    Come on, people. Don’t be weird.
    While reliability at this stage is being evaluated in the real world with real usage, lab tests have gone over 200,000 folds on Samsung and Huawei devices.

    The claim that we are decades away from science to make semi rigid materials bend without breaking is a bit bold.

    Foldable phones will be commonplace and 'reliable' very soon.

    I say reliable in the same sense that we use it for regular phones now.

    https://www.schott.com/xensation/english/xensation-flex.html?

    GeorgeBMac
  • Reply 26 of 47
    AppleZuluAppleZulu Posts: 1,201member
    avon b7 said:
    Again with the folding? Tch.

    We are decades away from material science that allows semi-rigid materials to bend without breaking. (I know about smart metals.) This is the main reason we have: hinges. So: a flip phone? Maybe I’d allow it. But foldable? Enjoy your cracks, ridges, and stress-fractures.

    Come on, people. Don’t be weird.
    While reliability at this stage is being evaluated in the real world with real usage, lab tests have gone over 200,000 folds on Samsung and Huawei devices.

    The claim that we are decades away from science to make semi rigid materials bend without breaking is a bit bold.

    Foldable phones will be commonplace and 'reliable' very soon.

    I say reliable in the same sense that we use it for regular phones now.

    https://www.schott.com/xensation/english/xensation-flex.html?

    Skip three minutes into this video, and you’ll see where a fingernail can put a permanent mark on the folding screen. A fingernail will easily damage this $3,000 novelty phone - a price that would buy you two fully-loaded iPhone 12 Pro Max phones, with change left over, and you could scratch at those with your fingernails all day without leaving a mark. There is no current utility to something that ridiculous, and no future value to it, either. No one will write apps for it, because almost no one will buy one.

    The entire worldwide market for that device is about a dozen 23-year-old second-generation wealth guys who will walk around trying to casually impress people by flipping it open and acting like they’re using it, which will be hard, because there will be no apps written for it. After only a few days of no one caring, the screen will be damaged, undercutting any remaining expected coolness. Then they’ll toss them aside and get back about their usual business of damaging Lamborghinis on curbs and speed bumps.
    edited May 3 StrangeDaysfastasleepwatto_cobra
  • Reply 27 of 47
    spice-boyspice-boy Posts: 1,439member
    It seems Apple will need to either catch up or give up.   Foldable phones are coming.   Or, maybe they are here already.  Regardless, in either case, they are not going away.

    soon it will be facing pressure to blur the line between phone and tablet.

    But, that can't last.   Just as soft moving water wears away the hardest rock, moving technology wears away the hardest purity tests.
    Perhaps the analogy is Steve Jobs insistence on keeping the iPhone small -- because he thought of his iPhone primarily as a phone rather than a computer. But the world of technology didn't wait.   It moved on to large screened phones and Apple, with the iPhone 6, was forced to surrender and join the wave...




    Yes portable phones will arrive the same week flying cars do. 
    right_said_fredGeorgeBMacwatto_cobra
  • Reply 28 of 47
    AppleZuluAppleZulu Posts: 1,201member
    It seems Apple will need to either catch up or give up.   Foldable phones are coming.   Or, maybe they are here already.  Regardless, in either case, they are not going away.

    Huawei Mate X2: Mastering the folding phone formula

    "Huawei has revealed the third iteration of its folding smartphone, abandoning its previous designs and taking some inspiration from Samsung.

    This time, the folding display on the Mate X2 is protected inside the phone.

    BBC Click's Chris Fox went hands-on with the phone and described it as the best folding phone so far - but it still lacks Google services, which lets it down for UK consumers."

    https://www.bbc.com/news/av/technology-56945791

    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    The lines between the different product categories in the world of computers are becoming increasingly grey:

    --  Laptops long ago began to challenge desktops for speed and capacity.   Now tablets are starting to challenge laptops in the same way.

    --  The iPad is challenging the Mac as a laptop as a functional alternative (while 2 in 1's have already merged the two products into one)

    --  Now smart phones are challenging the tablet world.   This Huawei folding phone provides the same screen real estate as an iPad mini -- in a form factor you can carry in your pocket.

    Meanwhile, Apple continues to try to keep the old rigid lines between categories and has only yielded grudgingly to blurring the line between tablet and laptop.  But, soon it will be facing pressure to blur the line between phone and tablet.

    But, that can't last.   Just as soft moving water wears away the hardest rock, moving technology wears away the hardest purity tests.
    Perhaps the analogy is Steve Jobs insistence on keeping the iPhone small -- because he thought of his iPhone primarily as a phone rather than a computer. But the world of technology didn't wait.   It moved on to large screened phones and Apple, with the iPhone 6, was forced to surrender and join the wave...




    1) “Entering” and “challenging” are not synonymous.

    2) The Huawei folding screen appears to be square, which doesn’t really fit anybody’s format for anything. As a result, the only things that will make use of its full screen will be customized for it, and since no one is going to spend three grand on a novelty phone, no one will write customized software to use the square screen. Everything else will leave wasted space.

    3) The screen can be permanently damaged by a human fingernail. It comes with a warning about keeping dirt and sand away from it. That screen is guaranteed to be marred within days of purchase. This tech isn’t challenging anything, other than the wisdom of the few rich millennials foolish enough to buy one.
    edited May 3 StrangeDaysfastasleepqwerty52watto_cobra
  • Reply 29 of 47
    mattinozmattinoz Posts: 1,636member
    Tri-fold or you just end up with one device mode that feels strange for the use.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 30 of 47
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 5,904member
    AppleZulu said:
    avon b7 said:
    Again with the folding? Tch.

    We are decades away from material science that allows semi-rigid materials to bend without breaking. (I know about smart metals.) This is the main reason we have: hinges. So: a flip phone? Maybe I’d allow it. But foldable? Enjoy your cracks, ridges, and stress-fractures.

    Come on, people. Don’t be weird.
    While reliability at this stage is being evaluated in the real world with real usage, lab tests have gone over 200,000 folds on Samsung and Huawei devices.

    The claim that we are decades away from science to make semi rigid materials bend without breaking is a bit bold.

    Foldable phones will be commonplace and 'reliable' very soon.

    I say reliable in the same sense that we use it for regular phones now.

    https://www.schott.com/xensation/english/xensation-flex.html?

    Skip three minutes into this video, and you’ll see where a fingernail can put a permanent mark on the folding screen. A fingernail will easily damage this $3,000 novelty phone - a price that would buy you two fully-loaded iPhone 12 Pro Max phones, with change left over, and you could scratch at those with your fingernails all day without leaving a mark. There is no current utility to something that ridiculous, and no future value to it, either. No one will write apps for it, because almost no one will buy one.

    The entire worldwide market for that device is about a dozen 23-year-old second-generation wealth guys who will walk around trying to casually impress people by flipping it open and acting like they’re using it, which will be hard, because there will be no apps written for it. After only a few days of no one caring, the screen will be damaged, undercutting any remaining expected coolness. Then they’ll toss them aside and get back about their usual business of damaging Lamborghinis on curbs and speed bumps.
    Why not just not dig your fingernail into the screen? Simple! 

    Is that too much to ask?

    Perhaps you forgot that the video was an 'abuse' video. Plastic will burn and scratch. Hey just don't deliberately burn or scratch your phone. Don't forget why people use cases for regular phones! Of more interest is the hinge resistance which you decided not to comment on but in this thread some people are questioning build quality. 

    Also, why not try dropping that phone and a regular iPhone and see which one fares better.

    That is precisely why I clarified the 'reliable' comment above.

    You seem to be unaware that not all folding phones use the same screen type either. Samsung and Huawei use different materials.

    You also ignored the Schott link I provided.

    As for sales, well they have far outnumbered initial provisions and if it weren't for the US sanctions against Huawei, would be even higher for their models. 

    Huawei was selling around 100,000 units a month of their first generation model. That's more than a dozen 23 year olds.

    Given the time that these phones have now been on the market, screen reliability has far surpassed what some people were claiming when they were released. There have been some issues but there are quality issues with all screen types if you go looking for them.

    So far, major issues haven't appeared and with each new generation, things just get even better. 
    GeorgeBMac
  • Reply 31 of 47
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 5,904member
    mattinoz said:
    Tri-fold or you just end up with one device mode that feels strange for the use.
    This has proven not to be the case. Just check out the reviews. If people don't want to go back to regular phones after using a folding phone for a few days, the device clearly doesn't feel strange to them. 
  • Reply 32 of 47
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 5,904member
    AppleZulu said:
    It seems Apple will need to either catch up or give up.   Foldable phones are coming.   Or, maybe they are here already.  Regardless, in either case, they are not going away.

    Huawei Mate X2: Mastering the folding phone formula

    "Huawei has revealed the third iteration of its folding smartphone, abandoning its previous designs and taking some inspiration from Samsung.

    This time, the folding display on the Mate X2 is protected inside the phone.

    BBC Click's Chris Fox went hands-on with the phone and described it as the best folding phone so far - but it still lacks Google services, which lets it down for UK consumers."

    https://www.bbc.com/news/av/technology-56945791

    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    The lines between the different product categories in the world of computers are becoming increasingly grey:

    --  Laptops long ago began to challenge desktops for speed and capacity.   Now tablets are starting to challenge laptops in the same way.

    --  The iPad is challenging the Mac as a laptop as a functional alternative (while 2 in 1's have already merged the two products into one)

    --  Now smart phones are challenging the tablet world.   This Huawei folding phone provides the same screen real estate as an iPad mini -- in a form factor you can carry in your pocket.

    Meanwhile, Apple continues to try to keep the old rigid lines between categories and has only yielded grudgingly to blurring the line between tablet and laptop.  But, soon it will be facing pressure to blur the line between phone and tablet.

    But, that can't last.   Just as soft moving water wears away the hardest rock, moving technology wears away the hardest purity tests.
    Perhaps the analogy is Steve Jobs insistence on keeping the iPhone small -- because he thought of his iPhone primarily as a phone rather than a computer. But the world of technology didn't wait.   It moved on to large screened phones and Apple, with the iPhone 6, was forced to surrender and join the wave...




    1) “Entering” and “challenging” are not synonymous.

    2) The Huawei folding screen appears to be square, which doesn’t really fit anybody’s format for anything. As a result, the only things that will make use of its full screen will be customized for it, and since no one is going to spend three grand on a novelty phone, no one will write customized software to use the square screen. Everything else will leave wasted space.

    3) The screen can be permanently damaged by a human fingernail. It comes with a warning about keeping dirt and sand away from it. That screen is guaranteed to be marred within days of purchase. This tech isn’t challenging anything, other than the wisdom of the few rich millennials foolish enough to buy one.
    An almost square aspect ratio is not an issue.

    More screen will always prevail over aspect ratio.

    Simply try doing anything and comparing to a regular screen. More positives than negatives. Yes, video content will be letterboxed - but still larger than on most regular phones. The same applies to photos. 

    The rest of the time, just having that space available is a plus. Writing, interface elements, notifications, running apps side by side. 

    All of that would be much worse on a regular phone but if you really want a cramped experience, fold it up and use the smaller screen! 

    And of course, don't deliberately dig your nails into the inner screen.

    GeorgeBMac
  • Reply 33 of 47
    StrangeDaysStrangeDays Posts: 11,584member
    avon b7 said:
    It seems Apple will need to either catch up or give up.   Foldable phones are coming.   Or, maybe they are here already.  Regardless, in either case, they are not going away.

    Huawei Mate X2: Mastering the folding phone formula

    Huawei has revealed the third iteration of its folding smartphone, abandoning its previous designs and taking some inspiration from Samsung.

    This time, the folding display on the Mate X2 is protected inside the phone.

    BBC Click's Chris Fox went hands-on with the phone and described it as the best folding phone so far - but it still lacks Google services, which lets it down for UK consumers.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/av/technology-56945791




    Yes, consensus is that the Mate X2 is the folding phone of the moment and the phone that reviewers would keep today if it weren't for the price. Even winning over reviewers who saw little need for folding phones previously.

    snip

    A lot of the comments in this earlier thread

    https://forums.appleinsider.com/discussion/220264/huawei-debuts-mate-x2-folding-phone-starting-at-eye-popping-2-785/p1

    on 'solutions looking for a problem' now look very premature.
    Hallmark of a great product - ‘people would buy it if they didn’t have to pay for it!’ lol. Yeah no. That’s a fail. Here in reality, value is based entirely on the price of the good.

    And nah, nothing premature about those comments. The highest ranked comment on this thread is from Radar, summing it up in post #1:

    “Finally, Apple would need to do one more thing that others have not yet accomplished.  Apple would need to determine the reason such a needlessly complex handset should exist.”
    edited May 3 fastasleepwatto_cobra
  • Reply 34 of 47
    MplsPMplsP Posts: 3,268member
    lkrupp said:
    NO NO NO NO NO
    Does every product you don’t need to buy cause you this much distress?
    muthuk_vanalingamcrowleyGeorgeBMac
  • Reply 35 of 47
    StrangeDaysStrangeDays Posts: 11,584member
    avon b7 said:
    Beats said:
    If Apple does release this it will be a revolutionary product or even a new invention and DONE RIGHT.

    The usual iKnockoff morons will claim Apple copied Samsung even though it was in development forever and done right.

    Theres no reason for a foldable iPhone. If Apple releases this it will have features we haven’t dreamed of.
    Of course there are reasons for foldable phones.

    Have you ever wondered why anything folds?

    So, let's set the folding aspect aside for a second. What possible function that we haven't dreamt of could find itself on Apple's version and not be applicable to Apple's non folding phones?

    Patents? Do you think that only Apple thought of folding phones and patented an idea?

    By your own baseless definition, Apple will become a knockoff merchant of folding phones. You'll have to live with that irony.

    Not that anyone will care because it just doesn't matter. If you think there is a market for folding phones, why not cater to it? 

    Apple will have learnt from previous and existing ideas. It will have dissected current and past folding phones. It will have its own ideas too. 
    All these years and you still don’t get Apple. A thousand No’s for every Yes. There are markets for printers, scanners, and routers, but Apple doesn’t make those. Nor did they do phones with a required stylus despite that being a thing. That there is a niche market for niche things isn’t enough for Apple. 

    As for being a knockoff should they do a folding device…doubtful. While your crummy Chinese brands just ape Apple products, imitating them poorly, Apple doesn’t do that when it enters late. It enters with something that works in a much more compelling way. We’ve seen this pattern time and again. I have no reason to think this time would be any different. 


    edited May 3 qwerty52watto_cobra
  • Reply 36 of 47
    sirlance99sirlance99 Posts: 1,274member
    avon b7 said:
    Beats said:
    If Apple does release this it will be a revolutionary product or even a new invention and DONE RIGHT.

    The usual iKnockoff morons will claim Apple copied Samsung even though it was in development forever and done right.

    Theres no reason for a foldable iPhone. If Apple releases this it will have features we haven’t dreamed of.
    Of course there are reasons for foldable phones.

    Have you ever wondered why anything folds?

    So, let's set the folding aspect aside for a second. What possible function that we haven't dreamt of could find itself on Apple's version and not be applicable to Apple's non folding phones?

    Patents? Do you think that only Apple thought of folding phones and patented an idea?

    By your own baseless definition, Apple will become a knockoff merchant of folding phones. You'll have to live with that irony.

    Not that anyone will care because it just doesn't matter. If you think there is a market for folding phones, why not cater to it? 

    Apple will have learnt from previous and existing ideas. It will have dissected current and past folding phones. It will have its own ideas too. 
    All these years and you still don’t get Apple. A thousand No’s for every Yes. There are markets for printers, scanners, and routers, but Apple doesn’t make those. Nor did they do phones with a required stylus despite that being a thing. That there is a niche market for niche things isn’t enough for Apple. 

    As for being a knockoff should they do a folding device…doubtful. While your crummy Chinese brands just ape Apple products, imitating them poorly, Apple doesn’t do that when it enters late. It enters with something that works in a much more compelling way. We’ve seen this pattern time and again. I have no reason to think this time would be any different. 


    Well, despite what others like you cried about before over the years, Apple has said yes you bigger and bigger screens, faceid, mini iPad, bigger iPad Pro, USB C, and so on and so forth. All things  said yes to despite no, no, no, no from the likes of you. Saying Apple will never do that and nobody wants that. Now it’s the biggest best iPhone screen that’s the king with practically nobody wanting the smaller screen. 

    I’m sure  will make this foldable phone one day soon. 
    muthuk_vanalingamGeorgeBMac
  • Reply 37 of 47
    AppleZuluAppleZulu Posts: 1,201member
    avon b7 said:
    AppleZulu said:
    It seems Apple will need to either catch up or give up.   Foldable phones are coming.   Or, maybe they are here already.  Regardless, in either case, they are not going away.

    Huawei Mate X2: Mastering the folding phone formula

    "Huawei has revealed the third iteration of its folding smartphone, abandoning its previous designs and taking some inspiration from Samsung.

    This time, the folding display on the Mate X2 is protected inside the phone.

    BBC Click's Chris Fox went hands-on with the phone and described it as the best folding phone so far - but it still lacks Google services, which lets it down for UK consumers."

    https://www.bbc.com/news/av/technology-56945791

    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    The lines between the different product categories in the world of computers are becoming increasingly grey:

    --  Laptops long ago began to challenge desktops for speed and capacity.   Now tablets are starting to challenge laptops in the same way.

    --  The iPad is challenging the Mac as a laptop as a functional alternative (while 2 in 1's have already merged the two products into one)

    --  Now smart phones are challenging the tablet world.   This Huawei folding phone provides the same screen real estate as an iPad mini -- in a form factor you can carry in your pocket.

    Meanwhile, Apple continues to try to keep the old rigid lines between categories and has only yielded grudgingly to blurring the line between tablet and laptop.  But, soon it will be facing pressure to blur the line between phone and tablet.

    But, that can't last.   Just as soft moving water wears away the hardest rock, moving technology wears away the hardest purity tests.
    Perhaps the analogy is Steve Jobs insistence on keeping the iPhone small -- because he thought of his iPhone primarily as a phone rather than a computer. But the world of technology didn't wait.   It moved on to large screened phones and Apple, with the iPhone 6, was forced to surrender and join the wave...




    1) “Entering” and “challenging” are not synonymous.

    2) The Huawei folding screen appears to be square, which doesn’t really fit anybody’s format for anything. As a result, the only things that will make use of its full screen will be customized for it, and since no one is going to spend three grand on a novelty phone, no one will write customized software to use the square screen. Everything else will leave wasted space.

    3) The screen can be permanently damaged by a human fingernail. It comes with a warning about keeping dirt and sand away from it. That screen is guaranteed to be marred within days of purchase. This tech isn’t challenging anything, other than the wisdom of the few rich millennials foolish enough to buy one.
    An almost square aspect ratio is not an issue.

    More screen will always prevail over aspect ratio.

    Simply try doing anything and comparing to a regular screen. More positives than negatives. Yes, video content will be letterboxed - but still larger than on most regular phones. The same applies to photos. 

    The rest of the time, just having that space available is a plus. Writing, interface elements, notifications, running apps side by side. 

    All of that would be much worse on a regular phone but if you really want a cramped experience, fold it up and use the smaller screen! 

    And of course, don't deliberately dig your nails into the inner screen.

    You miss the point. Human fingernails are not hard things. A touchscreen that can be damaged by a fingernail can also be damaged by a wide array of other objects that are likely to be proximate at any given point. The thing is crap. 

    Also, noting your comment about folding it up to use the smaller screen raises another preposterous design issue. To get the big foldy screen on a phone, they have little choice but to add a second screen to the same device, which is nuts. Nobody would unfold it and use that as a phone, and nobody would fold it and use a phone without access to a screen. They certainly can’t have it fold the other way with the big screen on the outside. That would be damaged just getting it out of the package. Nope, it’s got to be a device with two screens. It’s an expensive design fiasco before you even turn it on, all just for the novelty of a folding screen. 
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 38 of 47
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 5,904member
    AppleZulu said:
    avon b7 said:
    AppleZulu said:
    It seems Apple will need to either catch up or give up.   Foldable phones are coming.   Or, maybe they are here already.  Regardless, in either case, they are not going away.

    Huawei Mate X2: Mastering the folding phone formula

    "Huawei has revealed the third iteration of its folding smartphone, abandoning its previous designs and taking some inspiration from Samsung.

    This time, the folding display on the Mate X2 is protected inside the phone.

    BBC Click's Chris Fox went hands-on with the phone and described it as the best folding phone so far - but it still lacks Google services, which lets it down for UK consumers."

    https://www.bbc.com/news/av/technology-56945791

    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    The lines between the different product categories in the world of computers are becoming increasingly grey:

    --  Laptops long ago began to challenge desktops for speed and capacity.   Now tablets are starting to challenge laptops in the same way.

    --  The iPad is challenging the Mac as a laptop as a functional alternative (while 2 in 1's have already merged the two products into one)

    --  Now smart phones are challenging the tablet world.   This Huawei folding phone provides the same screen real estate as an iPad mini -- in a form factor you can carry in your pocket.

    Meanwhile, Apple continues to try to keep the old rigid lines between categories and has only yielded grudgingly to blurring the line between tablet and laptop.  But, soon it will be facing pressure to blur the line between phone and tablet.

    But, that can't last.   Just as soft moving water wears away the hardest rock, moving technology wears away the hardest purity tests.
    Perhaps the analogy is Steve Jobs insistence on keeping the iPhone small -- because he thought of his iPhone primarily as a phone rather than a computer. But the world of technology didn't wait.   It moved on to large screened phones and Apple, with the iPhone 6, was forced to surrender and join the wave...




    1) “Entering” and “challenging” are not synonymous.

    2) The Huawei folding screen appears to be square, which doesn’t really fit anybody’s format for anything. As a result, the only things that will make use of its full screen will be customized for it, and since no one is going to spend three grand on a novelty phone, no one will write customized software to use the square screen. Everything else will leave wasted space.

    3) The screen can be permanently damaged by a human fingernail. It comes with a warning about keeping dirt and sand away from it. That screen is guaranteed to be marred within days of purchase. This tech isn’t challenging anything, other than the wisdom of the few rich millennials foolish enough to buy one.
    An almost square aspect ratio is not an issue.

    More screen will always prevail over aspect ratio.

    Simply try doing anything and comparing to a regular screen. More positives than negatives. Yes, video content will be letterboxed - but still larger than on most regular phones. The same applies to photos. 

    The rest of the time, just having that space available is a plus. Writing, interface elements, notifications, running apps side by side. 

    All of that would be much worse on a regular phone but if you really want a cramped experience, fold it up and use the smaller screen! 

    And of course, don't deliberately dig your nails into the inner screen.

    You miss the point. Human fingernails are not hard things. A touchscreen that can be damaged by a fingernail can also be damaged by a wide array of other objects that are likely to be proximate at any given point. The thing is crap. 

    Also, noting your comment about folding it up to use the smaller screen raises another preposterous design issue. To get the big foldy screen on a phone, they have little choice but to add a second screen to the same device, which is nuts. Nobody would unfold it and use that as a phone, and nobody would fold it and use a phone without access to a screen. They certainly can’t have it fold the other way with the big screen on the outside. That would be damaged just getting it out of the package. Nope, it’s got to be a device with two screens. It’s an expensive design fiasco before you even turn it on, all just for the novelty of a folding screen. 
    You seem completely out of touch with the realities of folding phones.

    There are basically three main options. Inward folding, outward folding and flip folding.

    Are you saying that an inward folding device without a second screen would be a viable option? Are you telling me that you can't see why it isn't a preposterous idea?

    It adds cost to the device of course but it serves a valid purpose. If you cannot afford the asking price, just don't buy.

    A folding phone gives you more space when you need it. It's a huge advantage. The other advantage is that if you don't need that space you don't unfold it. That's the whole point. 

    The outward folding display means no extra screen is required but exposes the screen when folded, making a case a good idea.

    Of course, cases aren't a folding phone thing so there is no difference to the regular phone world.

    Nails are not a problem. Digging them into the screen is so just don't dig them into the screen.

    When review after review is sold on the benefits of folding phones (even with reviewers who were sceptical) you know the 'novelty' aspect has gone. 
    muthuk_vanalingamGeorgeBMac
  • Reply 39 of 47
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 5,904member
    avon b7 said:
    Beats said:
    If Apple does release this it will be a revolutionary product or even a new invention and DONE RIGHT.

    The usual iKnockoff morons will claim Apple copied Samsung even though it was in development forever and done right.

    Theres no reason for a foldable iPhone. If Apple releases this it will have features we haven’t dreamed of.
    Of course there are reasons for foldable phones.

    Have you ever wondered why anything folds?

    So, let's set the folding aspect aside for a second. What possible function that we haven't dreamt of could find itself on Apple's version and not be applicable to Apple's non folding phones?

    Patents? Do you think that only Apple thought of folding phones and patented an idea?

    By your own baseless definition, Apple will become a knockoff merchant of folding phones. You'll have to live with that irony.

    Not that anyone will care because it just doesn't matter. If you think there is a market for folding phones, why not cater to it? 

    Apple will have learnt from previous and existing ideas. It will have dissected current and past folding phones. It will have its own ideas too. 
    All these years and you still don’t get Apple. A thousand No’s for every Yes. There are markets for printers, scanners, and routers, but Apple doesn’t make those. Nor did they do phones with a required stylus despite that being a thing. That there is a niche market for niche things isn’t enough for Apple. 

    As for being a knockoff should they do a folding device…doubtful. While your crummy Chinese brands just ape Apple products, imitating them poorly, Apple doesn’t do that when it enters late. It enters with something that works in a much more compelling way. We’ve seen this pattern time and again. I have no reason to think this time would be any different. 


    Every major phone brand works the same way even if they end up with more products getting released than Apple.

    Yes, they have a thousand nos for every yes too.

    It's actually a very, very bad thing when that policy leads to less consumer choice. It ALWAYS has been.

    That's why you can't avoid a notch on an iPhone without going back to a prehistoric design. It's why the pandemic has been so frustrating for FaceID users and it's why Apple has fallen so far behind the competition over recent years. And behind in just about every major area of the phone and new designs. Folding included.

    So what has it done? It radically changed its business model to give users at least some more choice.

    It is still taking cues from Android (basically all recent major iOS changes were ideas 'borrowed' from Android) and trying to catch up with flagship hardware features that have long been commonplace on competing phones. 

    In reality Apple ended up saying 'no' to far too many things and you have no option but to live with that while others enjoy them today. Don't worry though, because many of those no's will become yes at some point. 


    muthuk_vanalingam
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    GeorgeBMacGeorgeBMac Posts: 10,289member
    AppleZulu said:
    Seems like a “solution” looking for a problem.....
    LOL...Yeh, so was the first iPhone.

    Fortunately, Steve ignored comments like that.

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