'iPhone 13' 120Hz ProMotion display production started by Samsung

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Samsung Display and LG Display have reportedly started producing OLED panels for the "iPhone 13," with Samsung said to be creating 120Hz ProMotion displays for the Pro models.




Ahead of the fall launch of new iPhone models, members of Apple's supply chain are ramping up production in order to meet the expected high levels of orders within the next few months. In the case of displays, it seems that ramping up has started earlier than first thought.

Samsung Display and LG Display are returning as display panel producers for the "iPhone 13," and have started production of the needed OLED panels, according to The Elec. The timing is approximately one month earlier than Apple's production schedules for the iPhone 12, though schedules at that time were delayed due to the COVID-19 pandemic.

Sources of the report claim Samsung commenced production halfway through May, while LG started its manufacturing of the components later in the month. It is thought Samsung is about a week earlier than LG for the organic material deposition process, while for the finishing module process, Samsung's apparently 10 days ahead of LG.

Of the displays, Samsung is said to be the only supplier of low-temperature polycrystalline oxide (LTPO) thin-film transistor (TFT) OLED panels to Apple. Rumored to be used in the Pro models, the LPTO displays will support 120Hz refresh rates, enabling the long-rumored ProMotion feature.

For the non-Pro models, Apple will continue to use low-temperature polycrystalline silicon (LTPS) TFT OLED panels, supplied by LG Display.

In terms of shipment numbers, Samsung is thought to be producing 80 million units of the display for the new iPhone, with between 120 million and 130 million total OLED panels anticipated to ship to Apple in 2021. For LG, it is apparently aiming for 30 million units for the "iPhone 13," and a total of 50 million overall for the year.

On May 26, supply chain reports claimed Apple chip partner TSMC had started its own production for the System-on-Chip that will be used in the next iPhone range, tentatively titled the "A15."

Other rumors about the "iPhone 13" include claims it will be slightly thicker than previous models, use a smaller notch for the TrueDepth camera array at the front, and have a larger rear camera bump.

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  • Reply 1 of 13
    h4y3sh4y3s Posts: 82member
    What’s the latest on the camera? 
    I heard sensor shift on all 3, and maybe a diagonal array? 

  • Reply 2 of 13
    k2kwk2kw Posts: 2,075member
    Usually Apple makes a design improvement one year and then performance improvements they next.  So I am expecting this to be the 12S with a slightly bigger battery and the faster display but not the smaller notch.   That will come in 2022.   Hopefully we get touchId option back this year.  The Pandemic will be over in the United States by the fall but not in many countries.
  • Reply 3 of 13
    thedbathedba Posts: 763member
    AppleInsider said:

    In terms of shipment numbers, Samsung is thought to be producing 80 million units of the display for the new iPhone, with between 120 million and 130 million total OLED panels anticipated to ship to Apple in 2021. For LG, it is apparently aiming for 30 million units for the "iPhone 13," and a total of 50 million overall for the year.

    Those numbers are just mind blowing. 
    This is one reason why Apple could not put Pro motion in the iPhone 12 Pro. The sheer numbers required by Apple to put into their flagship devices is just staggering.
    Before someone says "Yeah, but Samsung sells more phones",  I don't think they sell as many brand new flagship devices as Apple.
    williamlondontmay
  • Reply 4 of 13
    CloudTalkinCloudTalkin Posts: 916member
    thedba said:
    AppleInsider said:

    In terms of shipment numbers, Samsung is thought to be producing 80 million units of the display for the new iPhone, with between 120 million and 130 million total OLED panels anticipated to ship to Apple in 2021. For LG, it is apparently aiming for 30 million units for the "iPhone 13," and a total of 50 million overall for the year.

    Those numbers are just mind blowing. 
    This is one reason why Apple could not put Pro motion in the iPhone 12 Pro. The sheer numbers required by Apple to put into their flagship devices is just staggering.
    Before someone says "Yeah, but Samsung sells more phones",  I don't think they sell as many brand new flagship devices as Apple.
    The numbers are impressive.  Apple sells a lot of phones.  The volume of phones is not a reason that Apple didn't put high refresh panels in the 12 Pro.  Samsung had the capability to provide the panels for the 12 Pro/Max.  Apple chose not to put the panel in the 12's.  Whatever their reasoning, it wasn't due to lack of capacity.  

    Why would anyone mention Samsung selling more phones?  It would be an irrelevant factoid.  Samsung Display makes panels, not phones.  Don't let petty fanboyism color your commentary.
    muthuk_vanalingam
  • Reply 5 of 13
    thedbathedba Posts: 763member
    CloudTalkin said:
    thedba said:
    AppleInsider said:

    In terms of shipment numbers, Samsung is thought to be producing 80 million units of the display for the new iPhone, with between 120 million and 130 million total OLED panels anticipated to ship to Apple in 2021. For LG, it is apparently aiming for 30 million units for the "iPhone 13," and a total of 50 million overall for the year.

    Those numbers are just mind blowing. 
    This is one reason why Apple could not put Pro motion in the iPhone 12 Pro. The sheer numbers required by Apple to put into their flagship devices is just staggering.
    Before someone says "Yeah, but Samsung sells more phones",  I don't think they sell as many brand new flagship devices as Apple.
    The numbers are impressive.  Apple sells a lot of phones.  The volume of phones is not a reason that Apple didn't put high refresh panels in the 12 Pro.  Samsung had the capability to provide the panels for the 12 Pro/Max.  Apple chose not to put the panel in the 12's.  Whatever their reasoning, it wasn't due to lack of capacity.  

    Why would anyone mention Samsung selling more phones?  It would be an irrelevant factoid.  Samsung Display makes panels, not phones.  Don't let petty fanboyism color your commentary.
    Any links as to why Apple chose not to include pro motion into the iPhone 12? 
    As for the irrelevant factoid comment, I disagree when sites like the Verge, amongst many, tell us about the beautiful displays that Samsung (and some others) put on their phones/tablets while Apple is still using boring LCD or more recently boring 60Hz OLED panels.
    Fact remains, if Apple cannot secure tens of millions of certain component for their new iPhones, then that technology is simply not going in and will have to wait for at least a year. 
    There may be other reasons too and do share if you have them.
    williamlondontmay
  • Reply 6 of 13
    CloudTalkinCloudTalkin Posts: 916member
    thedba said:
    CloudTalkin said:
    thedba said:
    AppleInsider said:

    In terms of shipment numbers, Samsung is thought to be producing 80 million units of the display for the new iPhone, with between 120 million and 130 million total OLED panels anticipated to ship to Apple in 2021. For LG, it is apparently aiming for 30 million units for the "iPhone 13," and a total of 50 million overall for the year.

    Those numbers are just mind blowing. 
    This is one reason why Apple could not put Pro motion in the iPhone 12 Pro. The sheer numbers required by Apple to put into their flagship devices is just staggering.
    Before someone says "Yeah, but Samsung sells more phones",  I don't think they sell as many brand new flagship devices as Apple.
    The numbers are impressive.  Apple sells a lot of phones.  The volume of phones is not a reason that Apple didn't put high refresh panels in the 12 Pro.  Samsung had the capability to provide the panels for the 12 Pro/Max.  Apple chose not to put the panel in the 12's.  Whatever their reasoning, it wasn't due to lack of capacity.  

    Why would anyone mention Samsung selling more phones?  It would be an irrelevant factoid.  Samsung Display makes panels, not phones.  Don't let petty fanboyism color your commentary.
    Any links as to why Apple chose not to include pro motion into the iPhone 12? 
    As for the irrelevant factoid comment, I disagree when sites like the Verge, amongst many, tell us about the beautiful displays that Samsung (and some others) put on their phones/tablets while Apple is still using boring LCD or more recently boring 60Hz OLED panels.
    Fact remains, if Apple cannot secure tens of millions of certain component for their new iPhones, then that technology is simply not going in and will have to wait for at least a year. 
    There may be other reasons too and do share if you have them.
    I have no idea why Apple didn't put LTPO panels in the 12 series, but it wasn't due to an inability to secure panels.  Samsung had the capacity.  Pure supposition: Samsung could have required too high of a minimum order guarantee for the LTPO panels.  Apple has already had to pay Samsung twice for missing order minimums on the regular panels.  Starting fresh on the 13 series might make the minimums more palatable.  Who knows.  

    You're conflating sites reporting about Samsung phones with info about Samsung panels.  Panels looking good and panel manufacturing are not the same thing.  SDI makes the panels for Samsung and Apple.  Whether Samsung Electronics sells more phones is irrelevant with regards to the panel manufacturing discussed in the article.  Again, it's simply unnecessary fanboyism.
    muthuk_vanalingam
  • Reply 7 of 13
    thedbathedba Posts: 763member
    thedba said:
    thedba said:

    In terms of shipment numbers, Samsung is thought to be producing 80 million units of the display for the new iPhone, with between 120 million and 130 million total OLED panels anticipated to ship to Apple in 2021. For LG, it is apparently aiming for 30 million units for the "iPhone 13," and a total of 50 million overall for the year.

    Those numbers are just mind blowing. 
    This is one reason why Apple could not put Pro motion in the iPhone 12 Pro. The sheer numbers required by Apple to put into their flagship devices is just staggering.
    Before someone says "Yeah, but Samsung sells more phones",  I don't think they sell as many brand new flagship devices as Apple.
    The numbers are impressive.  Apple sells a lot of phones.  The volume of phones is not a reason that Apple didn't put high refresh panels in the 12 Pro.  Samsung had the capability to provide the panels for the 12 Pro/Max.  Apple chose not to put the panel in the 12's.  Whatever their reasoning, it wasn't due to lack of capacity.  

    Why would anyone mention Samsung selling more phones?  It would be an irrelevant factoid.  Samsung Display makes panels, not phones.  Don't let petty fanboyism color your commentary.
    Any links as to why Apple chose not to include pro motion into the iPhone 12? 
    As for the irrelevant factoid comment, I disagree when sites like the Verge, amongst many, tell us about the beautiful displays that Samsung (and some others) put on their phones/tablets while Apple is still using boring LCD or more recently boring 60Hz OLED panels.
    Fact remains, if Apple cannot secure tens of millions of certain component for their new iPhones, then that technology is simply not going in and will have to wait for at least a year. 
    There may be other reasons too and do share if you have them.
    I have no idea why Apple didn't put LTPO panels in the 12 series, but it wasn't due to an inability to secure panels.  Samsung had the capacity.  Pure supposition: Samsung could have required too high of a minimum order guarantee for the LTPO panels.  Apple has already had to pay Samsung twice for missing order minimums on the regular panels.  Starting fresh on the 13 series might make the minimums more palatable.  Who knows.  

    You're conflating sites reporting about Samsung phones with info about Samsung panels.  Panels looking good and panel manufacturing are not the same thing.  SDI makes the panels for Samsung and Apple.  Whether Samsung Electronics sells more phones is irrelevant with regards to the panel manufacturing discussed in the article.  Again, it's simply unnecessary fanboyism.
    Asking questions isn’t fanboyism. 
    Here’s a link to one YouTuber’s analysis stating amongst several possible reasons, supply (others being price, battery life, etc.)
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pb-CGAkRrkM
    Rene Ritchie also talked about it in one of his videos.

    You say you don’t know but then state with certainty that Samsung Display had the capacity. 
    So where’s your link asserting that SDI had the capacity but Apple didn’t want to for other reasons?
    williamlondontmay
  • Reply 8 of 13
    CloudTalkinCloudTalkin Posts: 916member
    thedba said:
    thedba said:
    thedba said:

    In terms of shipment numbers, Samsung is thought to be producing 80 million units of the display for the new iPhone, with between 120 million and 130 million total OLED panels anticipated to ship to Apple in 2021. For LG, it is apparently aiming for 30 million units for the "iPhone 13," and a total of 50 million overall for the year.

    Those numbers are just mind blowing. 
    This is one reason why Apple could not put Pro motion in the iPhone 12 Pro. The sheer numbers required by Apple to put into their flagship devices is just staggering.
    Before someone says "Yeah, but Samsung sells more phones",  I don't think they sell as many brand new flagship devices as Apple.
    The numbers are impressive.  Apple sells a lot of phones.  The volume of phones is not a reason that Apple didn't put high refresh panels in the 12 Pro.  Samsung had the capability to provide the panels for the 12 Pro/Max.  Apple chose not to put the panel in the 12's.  Whatever their reasoning, it wasn't due to lack of capacity.  

    Why would anyone mention Samsung selling more phones?  It would be an irrelevant factoid.  Samsung Display makes panels, not phones.  Don't let petty fanboyism color your commentary.
    Any links as to why Apple chose not to include pro motion into the iPhone 12? 
    As for the irrelevant factoid comment, I disagree when sites like the Verge, amongst many, tell us about the beautiful displays that Samsung (and some others) put on their phones/tablets while Apple is still using boring LCD or more recently boring 60Hz OLED panels.
    Fact remains, if Apple cannot secure tens of millions of certain component for their new iPhones, then that technology is simply not going in and will have to wait for at least a year. 
    There may be other reasons too and do share if you have them.
    I have no idea why Apple didn't put LTPO panels in the 12 series, but it wasn't due to an inability to secure panels.  Samsung had the capacity.  Pure supposition: Samsung could have required too high of a minimum order guarantee for the LTPO panels.  Apple has already had to pay Samsung twice for missing order minimums on the regular panels.  Starting fresh on the 13 series might make the minimums more palatable.  Who knows.  

    You're conflating sites reporting about Samsung phones with info about Samsung panels.  Panels looking good and panel manufacturing are not the same thing.  SDI makes the panels for Samsung and Apple.  Whether Samsung Electronics sells more phones is irrelevant with regards to the panel manufacturing discussed in the article.  Again, it's simply unnecessary fanboyism.
    Asking questions isn’t fanboyism. 
    Here’s a link to one YouTuber’s analysis stating amongst several possible reasons, supply (others being price, battery life, etc.)
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pb-CGAkRrkM
    Rene Ritchie also talked about it in one of his videos.

    You say you don’t know but then state with certainty that Samsung Display had the capacity. 
    So where’s your link asserting that SDI had the capacity but Apple didn’t want to for other reasons?
    Bud, you didn't ask a question.  You made declarative statements.  1. You said Apple didn't use LTPO because of their staggering numbers.  2.  You went all fanboy talking about someone saying Samsung sells more phones.  Totally unrelated to panel manufacturing.  Nary a question to be found.  

    Samsung's capacity is my opinion.  Anecdotally, if they had a pane shortage, it would have been in the news... a lot too since rumors were flying hot and heavy about the 12 receiving LTPO panels.  Even after the 12 didn't get the panels, there was never rumor regarding a shortage of them.  Is that 100% confirmation?  Nope, but I can't ever recall SDI being in a panel deficit.  I've never heard of them not being able to deliver on panels either. Make of that what you will.
    muthuk_vanalingam
  • Reply 9 of 13
    thedbathedba Posts: 763member
    thedba said:
    thedba said:
    thedba said:

    In terms of shipment numbers, Samsung is thought to be producing 80 million units of the display for the new iPhone, with between 120 million and 130 million total OLED panels anticipated to ship to Apple in 2021. For LG, it is apparently aiming for 30 million units for the "iPhone 13," and a total of 50 million overall for the year.

    Those numbers are just mind blowing. 
    This is one reason why Apple could not put Pro motion in the iPhone 12 Pro. The sheer numbers required by Apple to put into their flagship devices is just staggering.
    Before someone says "Yeah, but Samsung sells more phones",  I don't think they sell as many brand new flagship devices as Apple.
    The numbers are impressive.  Apple sells a lot of phones.  The volume of phones is not a reason that Apple didn't put high refresh panels in the 12 Pro.  Samsung had the capability to provide the panels for the 12 Pro/Max.  Apple chose not to put the panel in the 12's.  Whatever their reasoning, it wasn't due to lack of capacity.  

    Why would anyone mention Samsung selling more phones?  It would be an irrelevant factoid.  Samsung Display makes panels, not phones.  Don't let petty fanboyism color your commentary.
    Any links as to why Apple chose not to include pro motion into the iPhone 12? 
    As for the irrelevant factoid comment, I disagree when sites like the Verge, amongst many, tell us about the beautiful displays that Samsung (and some others) put on their phones/tablets while Apple is still using boring LCD or more recently boring 60Hz OLED panels.
    Fact remains, if Apple cannot secure tens of millions of certain component for their new iPhones, then that technology is simply not going in and will have to wait for at least a year. 
    There may be other reasons too and do share if you have them.
    I have no idea why Apple didn't put LTPO panels in the 12 series, but it wasn't due to an inability to secure panels.  Samsung had the capacity.  Pure supposition: Samsung could have required too high of a minimum order guarantee for the LTPO panels.  Apple has already had to pay Samsung twice for missing order minimums on the regular panels.  Starting fresh on the 13 series might make the minimums more palatable.  Who knows.  

    You're conflating sites reporting about Samsung phones with info about Samsung panels.  Panels looking good and panel manufacturing are not the same thing.  SDI makes the panels for Samsung and Apple.  Whether Samsung Electronics sells more phones is irrelevant with regards to the panel manufacturing discussed in the article.  Again, it's simply unnecessary fanboyism.
    Asking questions isn’t fanboyism. 
    Here’s a link to one YouTuber’s analysis stating amongst several possible reasons, supply (others being price, battery life, etc.)
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pb-CGAkRrkM
    Rene Ritchie also talked about it in one of his videos.

    You say you don’t know but then state with certainty that Samsung Display had the capacity. 
    So where’s your link asserting that SDI had the capacity but Apple didn’t want to for other reasons?
    Bud, you didn't ask a question.  You made declarative statements.  1. You said Apple didn't use LTPO because of their staggering numbers.  2.  You went all fanboy talking about someone saying Samsung sells more phones.  Totally unrelated to panel manufacturing.  Nary a question to be found.  

    Samsung's capacity is my opinion.  Anecdotally, if they had a pane shortage, it would have been in the news... a lot too since rumors were flying hot and heavy about the 12 receiving LTPO panels.  Even after the 12 didn't get the panels, there was never rumor regarding a shortage of them.  Is that 100% confirmation?  Nope, but I can't ever recall SDI being in a panel deficit.  I've never heard of them not being able to deliver on panels either. Make of that what you will.
    Those numbers are just mind blowing. 
    This is one reason why Apple could not put Pro motion in the iPhone 12 Pro. The sheer numbers required by Apple to put into their flagship devices is just staggering.

    Above is my original post.  
    I said, this is one reason…. Never said it was the only reason. 
    Then you chime in, with guns cocked and firing the “fanboy” accusation. After several exchanges you keep using the term “fanboy” but never provide any evidence to support your argument that it’s definitely not SDI’s incapacity to provide those panels to Apple in the required numbers. 
    Finally we get a sort of admission, that it’s only your opinion. 

    I’ll change my stance if you provide me with evidence/links that what you’re saying is true. Calling me a “fanboy” and then saying “it’s only your opinion”, will have the exact opposite effect. 
    williamlondontmay
  • Reply 10 of 13
    CloudTalkinCloudTalkin Posts: 916member
    thedba said:
    thedba said:
    thedba said:
    thedba said:

    In terms of shipment numbers, Samsung is thought to be producing 80 million units of the display for the new iPhone, with between 120 million and 130 million total OLED panels anticipated to ship to Apple in 2021. For LG, it is apparently aiming for 30 million units for the "iPhone 13," and a total of 50 million overall for the year.

    Those numbers are just mind blowing. 
    This is one reason why Apple could not put Pro motion in the iPhone 12 Pro. The sheer numbers required by Apple to put into their flagship devices is just staggering.
    Before someone says "Yeah, but Samsung sells more phones",  I don't think they sell as many brand new flagship devices as Apple.
    The numbers are impressive.  Apple sells a lot of phones.  The volume of phones is not a reason that Apple didn't put high refresh panels in the 12 Pro.  Samsung had the capability to provide the panels for the 12 Pro/Max.  Apple chose not to put the panel in the 12's.  Whatever their reasoning, it wasn't due to lack of capacity.  

    Why would anyone mention Samsung selling more phones?  It would be an irrelevant factoid.  Samsung Display makes panels, not phones.  Don't let petty fanboyism color your commentary.
    Any links as to why Apple chose not to include pro motion into the iPhone 12? 
    As for the irrelevant factoid comment, I disagree when sites like the Verge, amongst many, tell us about the beautiful displays that Samsung (and some others) put on their phones/tablets while Apple is still using boring LCD or more recently boring 60Hz OLED panels.
    Fact remains, if Apple cannot secure tens of millions of certain component for their new iPhones, then that technology is simply not going in and will have to wait for at least a year. 
    There may be other reasons too and do share if you have them.
    I have no idea why Apple didn't put LTPO panels in the 12 series, but it wasn't due to an inability to secure panels.  Samsung had the capacity.  Pure supposition: Samsung could have required too high of a minimum order guarantee for the LTPO panels.  Apple has already had to pay Samsung twice for missing order minimums on the regular panels.  Starting fresh on the 13 series might make the minimums more palatable.  Who knows.  

    You're conflating sites reporting about Samsung phones with info about Samsung panels.  Panels looking good and panel manufacturing are not the same thing.  SDI makes the panels for Samsung and Apple.  Whether Samsung Electronics sells more phones is irrelevant with regards to the panel manufacturing discussed in the article.  Again, it's simply unnecessary fanboyism.
    Asking questions isn’t fanboyism. 
    Here’s a link to one YouTuber’s analysis stating amongst several possible reasons, supply (others being price, battery life, etc.)
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pb-CGAkRrkM
    Rene Ritchie also talked about it in one of his videos.

    You say you don’t know but then state with certainty that Samsung Display had the capacity. 
    So where’s your link asserting that SDI had the capacity but Apple didn’t want to for other reasons?
    Bud, you didn't ask a question.  You made declarative statements.  1. You said Apple didn't use LTPO because of their staggering numbers.  2.  You went all fanboy talking about someone saying Samsung sells more phones.  Totally unrelated to panel manufacturing.  Nary a question to be found.  

    Samsung's capacity is my opinion.  Anecdotally, if they had a pane shortage, it would have been in the news... a lot too since rumors were flying hot and heavy about the 12 receiving LTPO panels.  Even after the 12 didn't get the panels, there was never rumor regarding a shortage of them.  Is that 100% confirmation?  Nope, but I can't ever recall SDI being in a panel deficit.  I've never heard of them not being able to deliver on panels either. Make of that what you will.
    Those numbers are just mind blowing. 
    This is one reason why Apple could not put Pro motion in the iPhone 12 Pro. The sheer numbers required by Apple to put into their flagship devices is just staggering.

    Above is my original post.  
    I said, this is one reason…. Never said it was the only reason. 
    Then you chime in, with guns cocked and firing the “fanboy” accusation. After several exchanges you keep using the term “fanboy” but never provide any evidence to support your argument that it’s definitely not SDI’s incapacity to provide those panels to Apple in the required numbers. 
    Finally we get a sort of admission, that it’s only your opinion. 

    I’ll change my stance if you provide me with evidence/links that what you’re saying is true. Calling me a “fanboy” and then saying “it’s only your opinion”, will have the exact opposite effect. 
    I said this is fanboyism→ "Before someone says "Yeah, but Samsung sells more phones",  I don't think they sell as many brand new flagship devices as Apple."  It is.
    I said "It's my opinion" is about SDI panel supply.  Two entirely different things. Not even remotely related.  Whether or not you change your stance isn't my concern.  Believe what you want.  Our opinions differ.  No big deal.  
    muthuk_vanalingam
  • Reply 11 of 13
    tmaytmay Posts: 6,328member
    thedba said:

    In terms of shipment numbers, Samsung is thought to be producing 80 million units of the display for the new iPhone, with between 120 million and 130 million total OLED panels anticipated to ship to Apple in 2021. For LG, it is apparently aiming for 30 million units for the "iPhone 13," and a total of 50 million overall for the year.

    Those numbers are just mind blowing. 
    This is one reason why Apple could not put Pro motion in the iPhone 12 Pro. The sheer numbers required by Apple to put into their flagship devices is just staggering.
    Before someone says "Yeah, but Samsung sells more phones",  I don't think they sell as many brand new flagship devices as Apple.
    The numbers are impressive.  Apple sells a lot of phones.  The volume of phones is not a reason that Apple didn't put high refresh panels in the 12 Pro.  Samsung had the capability to provide the panels for the 12 Pro/Max.  Apple chose not to put the panel in the 12's.  Whatever their reasoning, it wasn't due to lack of capacity.  

    Why would anyone mention Samsung selling more phones?  It would be an irrelevant factoid.  Samsung Display makes panels, not phones.  Don't let petty fanboyism color your commentary.
    Samsung didn't even deliver its first VRR screen in a Galaxy model until August of last year, too late for Apple iPhone 12. I could also make the argument that, while Samsung sells more phones, its ASP is reportedly just until $300, while Apple's iPhone is somewhere in the mid $850's. This is a pretty good indication that Apple does in fact sell more premium phones, and would also need quite a bit more VRR LTPO OLED screens than Samsung would require for its own products.

    (Samsung's unit marketshare is approximately 20 percent, while Apple's iPhone is approximately 16 percent, a 25 percent advantage over iPhone).

    So where have all of those VRR LTPO OLED displays been going to if Samsung had enough production for even just Apple's iPhone 12 Pro Max?

    No reported shortage because Apple didn't want to create it by specifying it for any iPhone 12 model?

    I have provided a link to Samsung's first Galaxy with VRR LTPO OLED panel;

    https://tekdeeps.com/samsung-details-first-ltpo-oled-screen-for-smartphones-with-vrr/

    "Samsung details first LTPO OLED screen for smartphones with VRR
    August 12, 2020

    Samsung announces that it is the first with an OLED screen for smartphones with variable refreshment. This allows seamless switching between refresh rates, saving the battery. Presumably it concerns the ltpo technique. The Galaxy Note 20 Ultra (preview) is the first device to get this."


    edited June 2021 thedbawilliamlondon
  • Reply 12 of 13
    thedbathedba Posts: 763member
    thedba said:
    thedba said:
    thedba said:
    thedba said:

    In terms of shipment numbers, Samsung is thought to be producing 80 million units of the display for the new iPhone, with between 120 million and 130 million total OLED panels anticipated to ship to Apple in 2021. For LG, it is apparently aiming for 30 million units for the "iPhone 13," and a total of 50 million overall for the year.

    Those numbers are just mind blowing. 
    This is one reason why Apple could not put Pro motion in the iPhone 12 Pro. The sheer numbers required by Apple to put into their flagship devices is just staggering.
    Before someone says "Yeah, but Samsung sells more phones",  I don't think they sell as many brand new flagship devices as Apple.
    The numbers are impressive.  Apple sells a lot of phones.  The volume of phones is not a reason that Apple didn't put high refresh panels in the 12 Pro.  Samsung had the capability to provide the panels for the 12 Pro/Max.  Apple chose not to put the panel in the 12's.  Whatever their reasoning, it wasn't due to lack of capacity.  

    Why would anyone mention Samsung selling more phones?  It would be an irrelevant factoid.  Samsung Display makes panels, not phones.  Don't let petty fanboyism color your commentary.
    Any links as to why Apple chose not to include pro motion into the iPhone 12? 
    As for the irrelevant factoid comment, I disagree when sites like the Verge, amongst many, tell us about the beautiful displays that Samsung (and some others) put on their phones/tablets while Apple is still using boring LCD or more recently boring 60Hz OLED panels.
    Fact remains, if Apple cannot secure tens of millions of certain component for their new iPhones, then that technology is simply not going in and will have to wait for at least a year. 
    There may be other reasons too and do share if you have them.
    I have no idea why Apple didn't put LTPO panels in the 12 series, but it wasn't due to an inability to secure panels.  Samsung had the capacity.  Pure supposition: Samsung could have required too high of a minimum order guarantee for the LTPO panels.  Apple has already had to pay Samsung twice for missing order minimums on the regular panels.  Starting fresh on the 13 series might make the minimums more palatable.  Who knows.  

    You're conflating sites reporting about Samsung phones with info about Samsung panels.  Panels looking good and panel manufacturing are not the same thing.  SDI makes the panels for Samsung and Apple.  Whether Samsung Electronics sells more phones is irrelevant with regards to the panel manufacturing discussed in the article.  Again, it's simply unnecessary fanboyism.
    Asking questions isn’t fanboyism. 
    Here’s a link to one YouTuber’s analysis stating amongst several possible reasons, supply (others being price, battery life, etc.)
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pb-CGAkRrkM
    Rene Ritchie also talked about it in one of his videos.

    You say you don’t know but then state with certainty that Samsung Display had the capacity. 
    So where’s your link asserting that SDI had the capacity but Apple didn’t want to for other reasons?
    Bud, you didn't ask a question.  You made declarative statements.  1. You said Apple didn't use LTPO because of their staggering numbers.  2.  You went all fanboy talking about someone saying Samsung sells more phones.  Totally unrelated to panel manufacturing.  Nary a question to be found.  

    Samsung's capacity is my opinion.  Anecdotally, if they had a pane shortage, it would have been in the news... a lot too since rumors were flying hot and heavy about the 12 receiving LTPO panels.  Even after the 12 didn't get the panels, there was never rumor regarding a shortage of them.  Is that 100% confirmation?  Nope, but I can't ever recall SDI being in a panel deficit.  I've never heard of them not being able to deliver on panels either. Make of that what you will.
    Those numbers are just mind blowing. 
    This is one reason why Apple could not put Pro motion in the iPhone 12 Pro. The sheer numbers required by Apple to put into their flagship devices is just staggering.

    Above is my original post.  
    I said, this is one reason…. Never said it was the only reason. 
    Then you chime in, with guns cocked and firing the “fanboy” accusation. After several exchanges you keep using the term “fanboy” but never provide any evidence to support your argument that it’s definitely not SDI’s incapacity to provide those panels to Apple in the required numbers. 
    Finally we get a sort of admission, that it’s only your opinion. 

    I’ll change my stance if you provide me with evidence/links that what you’re saying is true. Calling me a “fanboy” and then saying “it’s only your opinion”, will have the exact opposite effect. 
    I said this is fanboyism→ "Before someone says "Yeah, but Samsung sells more phones",  I don't think they sell as many brand new flagship devices as Apple."  It is.
    I said "It's my opinion" is about SDI panel supply.  Two entirely different things. Not even remotely related.  Whether or not you change your stance isn't my concern.  Believe what you want.  Our opinions differ.  No big deal.  
    No fanboyism in stating the obvious. 
    iPhone Average selling price: $800 https://www.businessinsider.com/apple-iphone-average-selling-price-2018-2?op=1.  (Back from 2018)
    Samsung Average selling price: $292 https://www.moneycontrol.com/news/technology/average-selling-price-of-samsung-smartphones-reaches-a-six-year-high-in-q1-2020-report-5411611.html (Q1 2020 figures)

    Point still stands. Apple sells far more flagship devices than Samsung.
    And once again you have provided zero evidence other than calling me names and your opinion. 

    P.S. Another poster (TMay) has provided links for you. We’ll soon find out if you conclude that he’s a “fanboy” too.  
    williamlondon
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    CloudTalkinCloudTalkin Posts: 916member
    tmay said:
    thedba said:

    In terms of shipment numbers, Samsung is thought to be producing 80 million units of the display for the new iPhone, with between 120 million and 130 million total OLED panels anticipated to ship to Apple in 2021. For LG, it is apparently aiming for 30 million units for the "iPhone 13," and a total of 50 million overall for the year.

    Those numbers are just mind blowing. 
    This is one reason why Apple could not put Pro motion in the iPhone 12 Pro. The sheer numbers required by Apple to put into their flagship devices is just staggering.
    Before someone says "Yeah, but Samsung sells more phones",  I don't think they sell as many brand new flagship devices as Apple.
    The numbers are impressive.  Apple sells a lot of phones.  The volume of phones is not a reason that Apple didn't put high refresh panels in the 12 Pro.  Samsung had the capability to provide the panels for the 12 Pro/Max.  Apple chose not to put the panel in the 12's.  Whatever their reasoning, it wasn't due to lack of capacity.  

    Why would anyone mention Samsung selling more phones?  It would be an irrelevant factoid.  Samsung Display makes panels, not phones.  Don't let petty fanboyism color your commentary.
    Samsung didn't even deliver its first VRR screen in a Galaxy model until August of last year, too late for Apple iPhone 12. I could also make the argument that, while Samsung sells more phones, its ASP is reportedly just until $300, while Apple's iPhone is somewhere in the mid $850's. This is a pretty good indication that Apple does in fact sell more premium phones, and would also need quite a bit more VRR LTPO OLED screens than Samsung would require for its own products.

    (Samsung's unit marketshare is approximately 20 percent, while Apple's iPhone is approximately 16 percent, a 25 percent advantage over iPhone).

    So where have all of those VRR LTPO OLED displays been going to if Samsung had enough production for even just Apple's iPhone 12 Pro Max?

    No reported shortage because Apple didn't want to create it by specifying it for any iPhone 12 model?

    I have provided a link to Samsung's first Galaxy with VRR LTPO OLED panel;

    https://tekdeeps.com/samsung-details-first-ltpo-oled-screen-for-smartphones-with-vrr/

    "Samsung details first LTPO OLED screen for smartphones with VRR
    August 12, 2020

    Samsung announces that it is the first with an OLED screen for smartphones with variable refreshment. This allows seamless switching between refresh rates, saving the battery. Presumably it concerns the ltpo technique. The Galaxy Note 20 Ultra (preview) is the first device to get this."


    Yeah, my timeline was off.  I think I was confusing Samsung's 120hz original panels with their variable refresh rate panels.  Appreciate the correction there.


    muthuk_vanalingam
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