US vaccine donation to Taiwan may help avoid chip factory shutdowns

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  • Reply 21 of 33
    igorskyigorsky Posts: 752member
    nht said:
    Trouble is not from Beijing. Taiwan is the trouble maker. Notice it politicizing the vaccine donation event?
    Right.  A vaccine for a virus that may be from a PRC lab leak at worst or at best a virus that was allowed to escape early detection and contact tracing due to suppression of information and arrest of whistleblowers.

    The PRC lost any chance of peaceful reunification by their heavy handed and unnecessary power grab in HK that resulted in riots and further heavy handed responses like arresting anyone that disagrees with the party line.  Anyone smart (and rich) in Hong Kong is going to try very hard to move to Canada or the UK.

    The one China policy is effectively dead.  The US will pay lip service to it but support for Taiwan is going to be stronger than ever.

    One Country Two Systems is dead dead.  

    Not even KMT politicos are going to want to rejoin China and risk ending up in Qincheng Prison for saying the wrong thing or simply for being in the wrong power block at the wrong time.

    The only good thing about the PRC system is that if you are high enough up then in a purge they DO send you to prison so maybe 20 years later you can be habilitated.  As opposed to being executed by antiaircraft guns like in North Korea.

    Taiwan is a tiny little island the size of New Jersey that has little importance other than Winnie the Pooh wants to go down in history as the bear that “reunified” China.

    Whatever you want to say about the DPP, they never sent in tanks to crush a student protest in Tiananmen Square.  There are asshats from the PRC that are so brainwashed that they don’t believe that it happened or that the students deserved it.  

    For folks that lived through both the cultural revolution and Tiananmen Square the events in Hong Kong were sadly predictable.
    Did the western leader US say any virus should not be allowed to escape early detection and contact tracing should be allowed? Let's take a look of history of the example set by US. Is HIV a virus? What kind of leadership US set of AIDS? The patient name is strictly confident to protect privacy. Tens of millions of people have died of AIDS. 

    Ignore him -- he's a China hater
    Everything China does is bad
    Everything the U.S. does is good

    Once you prove him wrong he just picks another topic to harp on doing anything and everything to prove China is the evil empire.  Truth, right and wrong mean nothing to him.
    Great, now do @waveparticle ;
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 22 of 33
    KuyangkohKuyangkoh Posts: 838member
    Vaccine Diplomacy
    LOL....

    China is supplying vaccines to South & Central American countries the U.S. is seeking alliances with.
    while
    The U.S. is supplying vaccines to Taiwan that China claims as its own.

    Does anybody actually care about people's lives -- or is it simply a global popularity contest?

    When will this petty, juvenile silliness end? 
    .... Economies are crashing and people are dying.   Plus, with a pandemic, no person and no nation is safe till all are safe.

    Wouldn't it be better for everybody if we just stopped this silly bickering and worked together?

    US have more death than any countries, former admin spend money on warp speed programs that got the vaccines out, of course US will get them first. Its not hoarding…..
  • Reply 23 of 33
    waveparticlewaveparticle Posts: 1,497member
    igorsky said:
    Trouble is not from Beijing. Taiwan is the trouble maker. Notice it politicizing the vaccine donation event?
    Oh good grief, if you lived close to a nation of 1.44 billion people who wanted to steal your land and take your freedom you’d probably politicize most things too.
    By telling lies and distorting facts? The fact of the truth is Foxconn CEO wants to buy BNT vaccines from Germany, He was blocked by Taiwan authority. Why I don't see this news reported in the western world? 
    Dude please take your pro-CCP bs off this forum.  Nobody wants to hear your motherland propaganda.
    No, this news is from Taiwan. 
  • Reply 24 of 33
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,178member
    Trouble is not from Beijing. Taiwan is the trouble maker. Notice it politicizing the vaccine donation event?
    Oh good grief, if you lived close to a nation of 1.44 billion people who wanted to steal your land and take your freedom you’d probably politicize most things too.
    By telling lies and distorting facts? The fact of the truth is Foxconn CEO wants to buy BNT vaccines from Germany, He was blocked by Taiwan authority. Why I don't see this news reported in the western world? 
    Not reported? Of course it has been.
    • Germany’s top diplomat in Taipei said his government has been helping in talks between Taiwan and drugmaker BioNTech to supply Covid-19 vaccines, after Taiwan said a deal fell apart earlier this year due to Chinese “intervention”.
    • China denied that accusation. But a war of words escalated after the Chinese-claimed island of Taiwan rejected Beijing’s offer to supply it with shots made by Shanghai Fosun Pharmaceutical Group Co Ltd, which holds a contract to sell them in Greater China.
    https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/02/germany-says-it-has-been-helping-with-taiwans-biontech-vaccine-deal-talks.html

    "The Taiwanese government's own deal with BioNTech fell through earlier this year - a problem Taiwan has blamed on pressure from Beijing. China has denied the accusation."
    https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/foxconn-founder-gou-apply-buy-biontech-vaccines-taiwan-2021-06-01/
    edited June 2021
  • Reply 25 of 33
    waveparticlewaveparticle Posts: 1,497member
    gatorguy said:
    Trouble is not from Beijing. Taiwan is the trouble maker. Notice it politicizing the vaccine donation event?
    Oh good grief, if you lived close to a nation of 1.44 billion people who wanted to steal your land and take your freedom you’d probably politicize most things too.
    By telling lies and distorting facts? The fact of the truth is Foxconn CEO wants to buy BNT vaccines from Germany, He was blocked by Taiwan authority. Why I don't see this news reported in the western world? 
    Not reported? Of course it has been.
    • Germany’s top diplomat in Taipei said his government has been helping in talks between Taiwan and drugmaker BioNTech to supply Covid-19 vaccines, after Taiwan said a deal fell apart earlier this year due to Chinese “intervention”.
    • China denied that accusation. But a war of words escalated after the Chinese-claimed island of Taiwan rejected Beijing’s offer to supply it with shots made by Shanghai Fosun Pharmaceutical Group Co Ltd, which holds a contract to sell them in Greater China.
    https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/02/germany-says-it-has-been-helping-with-taiwans-biontech-vaccine-deal-talks.html

    "The Taiwanese government's own deal with BioNTech fell through earlier this year - a problem Taiwan has blamed on pressure from Beijing. China has denied the accusation."
    https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/foxconn-founder-gou-apply-buy-biontech-vaccines-taiwan-2021-06-01/
    A Chinese company invested in BioNTech in Feb 2020 to produce vaccine. Is this reported?
  • Reply 26 of 33
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,178member
    gatorguy said:
    Trouble is not from Beijing. Taiwan is the trouble maker. Notice it politicizing the vaccine donation event?
    Oh good grief, if you lived close to a nation of 1.44 billion people who wanted to steal your land and take your freedom you’d probably politicize most things too.
    By telling lies and distorting facts? The fact of the truth is Foxconn CEO wants to buy BNT vaccines from Germany, He was blocked by Taiwan authority. Why I don't see this news reported in the western world? 
    Not reported? Of course it has been.
    • Germany’s top diplomat in Taipei said his government has been helping in talks between Taiwan and drugmaker BioNTech to supply Covid-19 vaccines, after Taiwan said a deal fell apart earlier this year due to Chinese “intervention”.
    • China denied that accusation. But a war of words escalated after the Chinese-claimed island of Taiwan rejected Beijing’s offer to supply it with shots made by Shanghai Fosun Pharmaceutical Group Co Ltd, which holds a contract to sell them in Greater China.
    https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/02/germany-says-it-has-been-helping-with-taiwans-biontech-vaccine-deal-talks.html

    "The Taiwanese government's own deal with BioNTech fell through earlier this year - a problem Taiwan has blamed on pressure from Beijing. China has denied the accusation."
    https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/foxconn-founder-gou-apply-buy-biontech-vaccines-taiwan-2021-06-01/
    A Chinese company invested in BioNTech in Feb 2020 to produce vaccine. Is this reported?
    Hmmm... 
    Do you mean this? It appears they were buying marketing rights more than contributing funds to develop it. 
    https://endpts.com/biontech-teams-up-with-fosun-pharma-to-test-covid-19-mrna-vaccine-in-china-and-scores-50m-investment/
    edited June 2021 Alex_V
  • Reply 27 of 33
    nhtnht Posts: 4,522member
    nht said:
    Trouble is not from Beijing. Taiwan is the trouble maker. Notice it politicizing the vaccine donation event?
    Right.  A vaccine for a virus that may be from a PRC lab leak at worst or at best a virus that was allowed to escape early detection and contact tracing due to suppression of information and arrest of whistleblowers.

    The PRC lost any chance of peaceful reunification by their heavy handed and unnecessary power grab in HK that resulted in riots and further heavy handed responses like arresting anyone that disagrees with the party line.  Anyone smart (and rich) in Hong Kong is going to try very hard to move to Canada or the UK.

    The one China policy is effectively dead.  The US will pay lip service to it but support for Taiwan is going to be stronger than ever.

    One Country Two Systems is dead dead.  

    Not even KMT politicos are going to want to rejoin China and risk ending up in Qincheng Prison for saying the wrong thing or simply for being in the wrong power block at the wrong time.

    The only good thing about the PRC system is that if you are high enough up then in a purge they DO send you to prison so maybe 20 years later you can be habilitated.  As opposed to being executed by antiaircraft guns like in North Korea.

    Taiwan is a tiny little island the size of New Jersey that has little importance other than Winnie the Pooh wants to go down in history as the bear that “reunified” China.

    Whatever you want to say about the DPP, they never sent in tanks to crush a student protest in Tiananmen Square.  There are asshats from the PRC that are so brainwashed that they don’t believe that it happened or that the students deserved it.  

    For folks that lived through both the cultural revolution and Tiananmen Square the events in Hong Kong were sadly predictable.
    Did the western leader US say any virus should not be allowed to escape early detection and contact tracing should be allowed? Let's take a look of history of the example set by US. Is HIV a virus? What kind of leadership US set of AIDS? The patient name is strictly confident to protect privacy. Tens of millions of people have died of AIDS. 
    We made a mistake with AIDS.  Unfortunately, in hindsight, even if we were more reactive our patient 0 turned out to be only one of many in an early SF cluster.  The earliest cases come from Congo sometime between 1915 and 1941 most likely through consumption of bushmeat.  That the US was homophobic back in the 80-90s led to stupidly slow response.

    The Wuhan COVID event, particularly after SARS, was an unnecessary fiasco at best due to the actions of the local cadre trying not to get crucified by Beijing and at worst the cover up of a lab leak by the central leadership.  

    EVERY national health organization in Asia was on the lookout for SARS or SARS like cases because SARS was super scary and sucked. 

    That the PRC dropped the ball in Wuhan in such a spectacular fashion can’t be dodged by infantile false equivalences with AIDS.
    gatorguyAlex_V
  • Reply 28 of 33
    GeorgeBMacGeorgeBMac Posts: 11,421member
    igorsky said:
    Trouble is not from Beijing. Taiwan is the trouble maker. Notice it politicizing the vaccine donation event?
    Oh good grief, if you lived close to a nation of 1.44 billion people who wanted to steal your land and take your freedom you’d probably politicize most things too.
    By telling lies and distorting facts? The fact of the truth is Foxconn CEO wants to buy BNT vaccines from Germany, He was blocked by Taiwan authority. Why I don't see this news reported in the western world? 
    Dude please take your pro-CCP bs off this forum.  Nobody wants to hear your motherland propaganda.

    Neither does anyone want to hear your anti-China propaganda

    Facts and truth -- not yarns and spin -- would be nice.  But I'm not sure that's possible in a climate of such hate.
    Alex_V
  • Reply 29 of 33
    GeorgeBMacGeorgeBMac Posts: 11,421member
    Kuyangkoh said:
    Vaccine Diplomacy
    LOL....

    China is supplying vaccines to South & Central American countries the U.S. is seeking alliances with.
    while
    The U.S. is supplying vaccines to Taiwan that China claims as its own.

    Does anybody actually care about people's lives -- or is it simply a global popularity contest?

    When will this petty, juvenile silliness end? 
    .... Economies are crashing and people are dying.   Plus, with a pandemic, no person and no nation is safe till all are safe.

    Wouldn't it be better for everybody if we just stopped this silly bickering and worked together?

    US have more death than any countries, former admin spend money on warp speed programs that got the vaccines out, of course US will get them first. Its not hoarding…..

    Sorry -- but, like China, the U.S. is (or will soon) distribute vaccines.
    To do so based on political agendas is wrong -- no matter which country does it (they both are!) or what the agenda is.

    This isn't foreign aid -- people are dying.  And the longer this virus survives, the more variants it will produce -- till we get to do it all over again.
    Alex_V
  • Reply 30 of 33
    GeorgeBMacGeorgeBMac Posts: 11,421member
    nht said:
    nht said:
    Trouble is not from Beijing. Taiwan is the trouble maker. Notice it politicizing the vaccine donation event?
    Right.  A vaccine for a virus that may be from a PRC lab leak at worst or at best a virus that was allowed to escape early detection and contact tracing due to suppression of information and arrest of whistleblowers.

    The PRC lost any chance of peaceful reunification by their heavy handed and unnecessary power grab in HK that resulted in riots and further heavy handed responses like arresting anyone that disagrees with the party line.  Anyone smart (and rich) in Hong Kong is going to try very hard to move to Canada or the UK.

    The one China policy is effectively dead.  The US will pay lip service to it but support for Taiwan is going to be stronger than ever.

    One Country Two Systems is dead dead.  

    Not even KMT politicos are going to want to rejoin China and risk ending up in Qincheng Prison for saying the wrong thing or simply for being in the wrong power block at the wrong time.

    The only good thing about the PRC system is that if you are high enough up then in a purge they DO send you to prison so maybe 20 years later you can be habilitated.  As opposed to being executed by antiaircraft guns like in North Korea.

    Taiwan is a tiny little island the size of New Jersey that has little importance other than Winnie the Pooh wants to go down in history as the bear that “reunified” China.

    Whatever you want to say about the DPP, they never sent in tanks to crush a student protest in Tiananmen Square.  There are asshats from the PRC that are so brainwashed that they don’t believe that it happened or that the students deserved it.  

    For folks that lived through both the cultural revolution and Tiananmen Square the events in Hong Kong were sadly predictable.
    Did the western leader US say any virus should not be allowed to escape early detection and contact tracing should be allowed? Let's take a look of history of the example set by US. Is HIV a virus? What kind of leadership US set of AIDS? The patient name is strictly confident to protect privacy. Tens of millions of people have died of AIDS. 
    We made a mistake with AIDS.  Unfortunately, in hindsight, even if we were more reactive our patient 0 turned out to be only one of many in an early SF cluster.  The earliest cases come from Congo sometime between 1915 and 1941 most likely through consumption of bushmeat.  That the US was homophobic back in the 80-90s led to stupidly slow response.

    The Wuhan COVID event, particularly after SARS, was an unnecessary fiasco at best due to the actions of the local cadre trying not to get crucified by Beijing and at worst the cover up of a lab leak by the central leadership.  

    EVERY national health organization in Asia was on the lookout for SARS or SARS like cases because SARS was super scary and sucked. 

    That the PRC dropped the ball in Wuhan in such a spectacular fashion can’t be dodged by infantile false equivalences with AIDS.

    Viruses can evolve in any country where man comes in contact with animals.  It has.   and it will continue doing so.   This is not the first and it won't be the last.

    I seriously doubt that the U.S. would have responded any faster than China did to identify it.   With health care scattered all over the nation in private little enclaves and the public health agencies decimated by 2 decades of privatization and budget cuts, it would have taken awhile to identify a never before seen virus -- and then to escalate it as a national problem.

    we've seen how confused they were even after China identified it.   They had no idea how viruses got transmitted:  they told us to wash our hands!   Then finally they switched to wearing masks -- and they're still advocating these silly DIY cloth masks that are only about 50% effective!  And its only fairly recently that they figured out that it was mostly contagious as virus particles built up in small, unvented spaces filled with people who were doing nothing more than breathing.

    The U.S. and other countries (like China) need to treat microscopic invaders the same as they do man sized invaders carrying machine guns.
    Both are matters of national defense.
    This microscopic invader killed more Americans than what?  Our last 5 wars combined?   That's disgraceful.   We need to get better before the next one hits. 
    Alex_Vlarryjw
  • Reply 31 of 33
    waveparticlewaveparticle Posts: 1,497member
    gatorguy said:
    gatorguy said:
    Trouble is not from Beijing. Taiwan is the trouble maker. Notice it politicizing the vaccine donation event?
    Oh good grief, if you lived close to a nation of 1.44 billion people who wanted to steal your land and take your freedom you’d probably politicize most things too.
    By telling lies and distorting facts? The fact of the truth is Foxconn CEO wants to buy BNT vaccines from Germany, He was blocked by Taiwan authority. Why I don't see this news reported in the western world? 
    Not reported? Of course it has been.
    • Germany’s top diplomat in Taipei said his government has been helping in talks between Taiwan and drugmaker BioNTech to supply Covid-19 vaccines, after Taiwan said a deal fell apart earlier this year due to Chinese “intervention”.
    • China denied that accusation. But a war of words escalated after the Chinese-claimed island of Taiwan rejected Beijing’s offer to supply it with shots made by Shanghai Fosun Pharmaceutical Group Co Ltd, which holds a contract to sell them in Greater China.
    https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/02/germany-says-it-has-been-helping-with-taiwans-biontech-vaccine-deal-talks.html

    "The Taiwanese government's own deal with BioNTech fell through earlier this year - a problem Taiwan has blamed on pressure from Beijing. China has denied the accusation."
    https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/foxconn-founder-gou-apply-buy-biontech-vaccines-taiwan-2021-06-01/
    A Chinese company invested in BioNTech in Feb 2020 to produce vaccine. Is this reported?
    Hmmm... 
    Do you mean this? It appears they were buying marketing rights more than contributing funds to develop it. 
    https://endpts.com/biontech-teams-up-with-fosun-pharma-to-test-covid-19-mrna-vaccine-in-china-and-scores-50m-investment/
    Yes, this is it. The western world is trying to hide it with disinformation. Taiwan DPP government tries to circumvent this contract of distribution owned by Fosun by blaming Beijing. 
  • Reply 32 of 33
    waveparticlewaveparticle Posts: 1,497member
    nht said:
    nht said:
    Trouble is not from Beijing. Taiwan is the trouble maker. Notice it politicizing the vaccine donation event?
    Right.  A vaccine for a virus that may be from a PRC lab leak at worst or at best a virus that was allowed to escape early detection and contact tracing due to suppression of information and arrest of whistleblowers.

    The PRC lost any chance of peaceful reunification by their heavy handed and unnecessary power grab in HK that resulted in riots and further heavy handed responses like arresting anyone that disagrees with the party line.  Anyone smart (and rich) in Hong Kong is going to try very hard to move to Canada or the UK.

    The one China policy is effectively dead.  The US will pay lip service to it but support for Taiwan is going to be stronger than ever.

    One Country Two Systems is dead dead.  

    Not even KMT politicos are going to want to rejoin China and risk ending up in Qincheng Prison for saying the wrong thing or simply for being in the wrong power block at the wrong time.

    The only good thing about the PRC system is that if you are high enough up then in a purge they DO send you to prison so maybe 20 years later you can be habilitated.  As opposed to being executed by antiaircraft guns like in North Korea.

    Taiwan is a tiny little island the size of New Jersey that has little importance other than Winnie the Pooh wants to go down in history as the bear that “reunified” China.

    Whatever you want to say about the DPP, they never sent in tanks to crush a student protest in Tiananmen Square.  There are asshats from the PRC that are so brainwashed that they don’t believe that it happened or that the students deserved it.  

    For folks that lived through both the cultural revolution and Tiananmen Square the events in Hong Kong were sadly predictable.
    Did the western leader US say any virus should not be allowed to escape early detection and contact tracing should be allowed? Let's take a look of history of the example set by US. Is HIV a virus? What kind of leadership US set of AIDS? The patient name is strictly confident to protect privacy. Tens of millions of people have died of AIDS. 
    We made a mistake with AIDS.  Unfortunately, in hindsight, even if we were more reactive our patient 0 turned out to be only one of many in an early SF cluster.  The earliest cases come from Congo sometime between 1915 and 1941 most likely through consumption of bushmeat.  That the US was homophobic back in the 80-90s led to stupidly slow response.

    The Wuhan COVID event, particularly after SARS, was an unnecessary fiasco at best due to the actions of the local cadre trying not to get crucified by Beijing and at worst the cover up of a lab leak by the central leadership.  

    EVERY national health organization in Asia was on the lookout for SARS or SARS like cases because SARS was super scary and sucked. 

    That the PRC dropped the ball in Wuhan in such a spectacular fashion can’t be dodged by infantile false equivalences with AIDS.
    How about the flu? Is it a virus? Every year there is a variant of the virus that kills hundreds of thousands of people in the world. US allowed it to escape early detection and forbids contact tracing. 
  • Reply 33 of 33
    larryjwlarryjw Posts: 1,031member
    nht said:
    nht said:
    Trouble is not from Beijing. Taiwan is the trouble maker. Notice it politicizing the vaccine donation event?
    Right.  A vaccine for a virus that may be from a PRC lab leak at worst or at best a virus that was allowed to escape early detection and contact tracing due to suppression of information and arrest of whistleblowers.

    The PRC lost any chance of peaceful reunification by their heavy handed and unnecessary power grab in HK that resulted in riots and further heavy handed responses like arresting anyone that disagrees with the party line.  Anyone smart (and rich) in Hong Kong is going to try very hard to move to Canada or the UK.

    The one China policy is effectively dead.  The US will pay lip service to it but support for Taiwan is going to be stronger than ever.

    One Country Two Systems is dead dead.  

    Not even KMT politicos are going to want to rejoin China and risk ending up in Qincheng Prison for saying the wrong thing or simply for being in the wrong power block at the wrong time.

    The only good thing about the PRC system is that if you are high enough up then in a purge they DO send you to prison so maybe 20 years later you can be habilitated.  As opposed to being executed by antiaircraft guns like in North Korea.

    Taiwan is a tiny little island the size of New Jersey that has little importance other than Winnie the Pooh wants to go down in history as the bear that “reunified” China.

    Whatever you want to say about the DPP, they never sent in tanks to crush a student protest in Tiananmen Square.  There are asshats from the PRC that are so brainwashed that they don’t believe that it happened or that the students deserved it.  

    For folks that lived through both the cultural revolution and Tiananmen Square the events in Hong Kong were sadly predictable.
    Did the western leader US say any virus should not be allowed to escape early detection and contact tracing should be allowed? Let's take a look of history of the example set by US. Is HIV a virus? What kind of leadership US set of AIDS? The patient name is strictly confident to protect privacy. Tens of millions of people have died of AIDS. 
    We made a mistake with AIDS.  Unfortunately, in hindsight, even if we were more reactive our patient 0 turned out to be only one of many in an early SF cluster.  The earliest cases come from Congo sometime between 1915 and 1941 most likely through consumption of bushmeat.  That the US was homophobic back in the 80-90s led to stupidly slow response.

    The Wuhan COVID event, particularly after SARS, was an unnecessary fiasco at best due to the actions of the local cadre trying not to get crucified by Beijing and at worst the cover up of a lab leak by the central leadership.  

    EVERY national health organization in Asia was on the lookout for SARS or SARS like cases because SARS was super scary and sucked. 

    That the PRC dropped the ball in Wuhan in such a spectacular fashion can’t be dodged by infantile false equivalences with AIDS.
    According to virologists, the genetic distance between the current closest bat virus to the covid virus is 30 to 40 years of mutations. I think we can be certain that viruses akin to the covid virus have been in the wild during these years. And it certainly could have been mixing not only in China broadly but outside China, into other asian countries in particular. 

    There is no reason to conclude that because the covid virus was first detected in Wuhan means the virus first arose in Wuhan. That certainly can be true, but it is also a given that only places that have the facilities to detect virus strains would be among the first to detect them -- it doesn't mean they arose there. 

    Then, there's the issue of the illness itself. We've probably been in the grips of pandemics for years. Nobody cares because most of these pandemics just cause runny noses. This pandemic became important, and we actually called this a pandemic, is because it kills lots of people. So, sometime in 2019, a virus close to the Covid virus mutated in just the right way to cause humans problems. 
    muthuk_vanalingamAlex_VGeorgeBMac
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