Apple TV+'s 'The Problem with Jon Stewart' offers free audience tickets for July filming

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• Reply 1 of 10

  thinkman100000000 Posts: 78member

  July 11, 2021 8:40AM

  Jon Stewart broke barriers and gave us the (always unpleasant) news in a comedic, schtick-filled way. It wasn't until he left and started popping up on other shows that I realized how annoying and egotistic he is. Put egomaniac/motor-mouth Conan O'Brien and him on stage together and it's likely they will talk over one another until your head explodes! 

  
• Reply 2 of 10

  sconosciuto Posts: 262member

  July 11, 2021 9:54AM

  thinkman100000000 said:

  Jon Stewart broke barriers and gave us the (always unpleasant) news in a comedic, schtick-filled way. It wasn't until he left and started popping up on other shows that I realized how annoying and egotistic he is. Put egomaniac/motor-mouth Conan O'Brien and him on stage together and it's likely they will talk over one another until your head explodes! 

  meh... it is likely a job hazard. I cannot think of a single person who does that kind of job for a living, who doesn't think that their every passing brain fart needs to be shared with the world. Bill Maher is really bad on that count, one of the reasons I quit watching him after 15+ years. Stewart single-handedly killed the wretched "Crossfire", sadly he did not also permanently kill Cucker Tarlson's career but he sure did cause him to be out of favor for several years until Bill O'Reilly's creepiness became too much for even Fox News Channel. Stewart also fought for (and won the fight) 9/11 first responders when Congress wanted to give them the shaft.
  
  I'd rather hear from Stewart any day of the week and twice on Sunday than Hannity or Maher or Ingraham or any of the other bloviating fearmongers.

  
• Reply 3 of 10

  GeorgeBMac Posts: 11,421member

  July 11, 2021 1:22PM

  I know the article said that "few details are known" about the show.   But their description of it was, to me, vague and ambiguous.

  But, it sounds like Stewart is essentially resurrecting his old Comedy Central show.   If so, that could be good -- IF they can keep him from branching off into minor issues causes that he is obsessed with.

  
  

  I'd like to hear more about this show -- it has a lot of potential.
  

  
  
• Reply 4 of 10

  Appleish Posts: 691member

  July 11, 2021 3:48PM

  I still fondly remember Jon 2004 slicing up Crossfire on CNN:
  
  Tucker Carlson did attempt to backtrack a little and assure Stewart that he and Begala were there “to love you, not confront you. We’re here to be nice.” But Stewart wasn’t having any of it. Even if Carlson was there to be nice, Stewart was not: “I’m here to confront you, because we need help from the media and they’re hurting us… It’s hurting America. Here is what I wanted to tell you guys: Stop. You have a responsibility to the public discourse, and you fail miserably.”
  
  Resulting in Carlson losing his contract at CNN and ending up at GQPFaux News, deep in nothing to do with love.

  
• Reply 5 of 10

  grblade Posts: 93member

  July 11, 2021 6:51PM

  Appleish said:

  
  Resulting in Carlson losing his contract at CNN and ending up at GQPFaux News, deep in nothing to do with love.

  Actually Tucker had already taken a job at MSNBC when Crossfire was set to be canceled but agreed to stay on at CNN until his contract expired. Now he hosts the highest rated show in the history of cable news.

  
• Reply 6 of 10

  crowley Posts: 10,453member

  July 11, 2021 9:01PM

  grblade said:

  Appleish said:

  
  Resulting in Carlson losing his contract at CNN and ending up at GQPFaux News, deep in nothing to do with love.

  Actually Tucker had already taken a job at MSNBC when Crossfire was set to be canceled but agreed to stay on at CNN until his contract expired. Now he hosts the highest rated show in the history of cable news.

  And that rating stands as a searing indictment on the state of the USA. What a shitshow.  Pun fully intended.

  edited July 2021
• Reply 7 of 10

  macgui Posts: 2,360member

  July 12, 2021 11:34AM

  crowley said:

  grblade said:

  Appleish said:

  
  Resulting in Carlson losing his contract at CNN and ending up at GQPFaux News, deep in nothing to do with love.

  Actually Tucker had already taken a job at MSNBC when Crossfire was set to be canceled but agreed to stay on at CNN until his contract expired. Now he hosts the highest rated show in the history of cable news.

  And that rating stands as a searing indictment on the state of the USA. What a shitshow.  Pun fully intended.

  And that sadly, is not over the top hyperbole. All too true, and I wish it wasn't.

  
• Reply 8 of 10

  Marvin Posts: 15,323moderator

  July 12, 2021 1:20PM

  crowley said:

  grblade said:

  Appleish said:

  
  Resulting in Carlson losing his contract at CNN and ending up at GQPFaux News, deep in nothing to do with love.

  Actually Tucker had already taken a job at MSNBC when Crossfire was set to be canceled but agreed to stay on at CNN until his contract expired. Now he hosts the highest rated show in the history of cable news.

  And that rating stands as a searing indictment on the state of the USA. What a shitshow.  Pun fully intended.

  The viewing audience for all network news skews towards older age groups. According to this, the 18-54 age group makes up less than 20% of any of the news networks:
  
  https://www.msn.com/en-us/entertainment/news/tucker-carlson-dominates-in-total-viewers-and-demo-in-monday-ratings-race/ar-BB1epZAX
  https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/01/12/more-than-eight-in-ten-americans-get-news-from-digital-devices/
  
  The following is an old page but suggests the comedy news shows appeal more to a younger demographic:
  
  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1394561/The-force-Jon-Stewart-Daily-Shows-ratings-higher-FOX-News.html
  
  On average, neither the entertainment news shows nor mainstream news draw the audiences of good TV drama shows that get around 5-10x more viewers:
  
  https://www.businessinsider.com/most-popular-tv-shows-of-2019-2020-season-nielsen-ratings-2020-5
  
  Having Jon Stewart on Apple TV+ can help maintain some subscribers but the overall subscriber base will be around 40 million and these shows draw around 3 million viewers at their peak and 1-2m normally.
  
  There was an interview with Jon Stewart talking about the media. At 14:40, he mentions 'building a culture that earns editorial authority back from the audience' instead of being a mirror of what's happening on social media, which is what news media has become:
  
  
  
  The interviewer asked about how to build an effective progressive counterweight to right-wing media and he said it would be better to go for integrity over partisan opposition (28:50).
  
  He may be talking about mainstream media rather than his own aims but this is something that's difficult to pull off now. An example is Bill Maher's show, he's one of the few people who present a balanced, intellectual point of view instead of an insipid echo-chamber of one-sided views and people from both sides try to cancel it or turn it off. People don't like to have their worldview questioned and with everything on-demand, there's always the opportunity to shut it off. People don't want to support integrity or a scientific view, they want to support their own view.
  
  Jon Stewart's Daily Show was a well made show and had a heavy schedule. 17 years, almost 160 episodes per year, that's over 2600 episodes with a team of writers behind the scenes:
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_Daily_Show_writers
  
  It works better as an alternative for mainstream news when it's daily but I think a 1 hour weekly show is enough for current affairs. From the new show, I expect left-leaning perspective like the Daily Show but Jon Stewart usually presented topics fairly and thoughtfully. Even though his show will have a small impact in the overall industry, it will be good to hear his perspective again. The Daily Show and others like John Oliver, Colbert fall short of the shows he made.
  
  Maybe Apple could boost the audience reach by allowing people to share clip segments of the show on social media and it can link back to Apple TV+ for full episodes.

  
• Reply 9 of 10

  GeorgeBMac Posts: 11,421member

  July 12, 2021 3:27PM

  Marvin said:

  crowley said:

  grblade said:

  Appleish said:

  
  Resulting in Carlson losing his contract at CNN and ending up at GQPFaux News, deep in nothing to do with love.

  Actually Tucker had already taken a job at MSNBC when Crossfire was set to be canceled but agreed to stay on at CNN until his contract expired. Now he hosts the highest rated show in the history of cable news.

  And that rating stands as a searing indictment on the state of the USA. What a shitshow.  Pun fully intended.

  The viewing audience for all network news skews towards older age groups. According to this, the 18-54 age group makes up less than 20% of any of the news networks:
  
  https://www.msn.com/en-us/entertainment/news/tucker-carlson-dominates-in-total-viewers-and-demo-in-monday-ratings-race/ar-BB1epZAX
  https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/01/12/more-than-eight-in-ten-americans-get-news-from-digital-devices/
  
  The following is an old page but suggests the comedy news shows appeal more to a younger demographic:
  
  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1394561/The-force-Jon-Stewart-Daily-Shows-ratings-higher-FOX-News.html
  
  On average, neither the entertainment news shows nor mainstream news draw the audiences of good TV drama shows that get around 5-10x more viewers:
  
  https://www.businessinsider.com/most-popular-tv-shows-of-2019-2020-season-nielsen-ratings-2020-5
  
  Having Jon Stewart on Apple TV+ can help maintain some subscribers but the overall subscriber base will be around 40 million and these shows draw around 3 million viewers at their peak and 1-2m normally.
  
  There was an interview with Jon Stewart talking about the media. At 14:40, he mentions 'building a culture that earns editorial authority back from the audience' instead of being a mirror of what's happening on social media, which is what news media has become:
  
  
  
  The interviewer asked about how to build an effective progressive counterweight to right-wing media and he said it would be better to go for integrity over partisan opposition (28:50).
  
  He may be talking about mainstream media rather than his own aims but this is something that's difficult to pull off now. An example is Bill Maher's show, he's one of the few people who present a balanced, intellectual point of view instead of an insipid echo-chamber of one-sided views and people from both sides try to cancel it or turn it off. People don't like to have their worldview questioned and with everything on-demand, there's always the opportunity to shut it off. People don't want to support integrity or a scientific view, they want to support their own view.
  
  Jon Stewart's Daily Show was a well made show and had a heavy schedule. 17 years, almost 160 episodes per year, that's over 2600 episodes with a team of writers behind the scenes:
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_Daily_Show_writers
  
  It works better as an alternative for mainstream news when it's daily but I think a 1 hour weekly show is enough for current affairs. From the new show, I expect left-leaning perspective like the Daily Show but Jon Stewart usually presented topics fairly and thoughtfully. Even though his show will have a small impact in the overall industry, it will be good to hear his perspective again. The Daily Show and others like John Oliver, Colbert fall short of the shows he made.
  
  Maybe Apple could boost the audience reach by allowing people to share clip segments of the show on social media and it can link back to Apple TV+ for full episodes.

  
  I would disagree with Stuart when he claims:
  

  " 'building a culture that earns editorial authority back from the audience' instead of being a mirror of what's happening on social media, which is what news media has become:"

  
  

  FauxNews was pushing an agenda (and certain politicians) long before Social Media was a thing.  And today, it works in partnership with it:  Russia publishes a conspiracy theory, social media pushes it and FauxNews (and other right wing media) legitimize it.
  

  
  
• Reply 10 of 10

  FileMakerFeller Posts: 1,546member

  July 12, 2021 11:28PM

  Does the ticketing company trust your word that you're vaccinated?
  
  !1iota