Tim Cook confirms employee return to Apple Park pushed to at least October

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Apple employees won't be required to return to offices until at least October, says CEO Tim Cook.

Apple return to work plan pushed to October
Apple return to work plan pushed to October


The delta variant of COVID-19 has created a new wave of cases across the United States, so companies like Apple have pushed plans for a return to work back to October. The plan initially had employees returning in September, but health threats from the pandemic bring everything into question.

Apple CEO Tim Cook spoke with CNBC about the change in plans. A short excerpt from the call was shared via Twitter.

.@tim_cook spoke w/ me yesterday about this same issue at @Apple:

"our main focus right now is on when to come back we pushed it from early September to at least October we are monitoring things daily to really conclude whether that is the right answer or not" https://t.co/zhBqwocynm

-- Josh Lipton (@CNBCJosh)


Apple has shown a strong desire to bring its workforce back to its offices as soon as is reasonable. Pushback from employees working from home have done little to change this stance.

Apple prides itself with its top-notch work environments, multimillion-dollar facilities like Apple Park, and its ability to create new technologies when in-person. The work from home change was made out of necessity for the pandemic, but Apple wants to get things back to the status quo.

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  • Reply 1 of 14
    AppleishAppleish Posts: 691member
    On a conference call about a month ago, a medical specialist I highly respect said that within a few weeks, mask mandates would come back due to the Delta Variant. He nailed it. He also said that there would be a 50/50 chance there would be widespread lockdowns starting in October. Let's hope it's the right 50.
    AI_lias
  • Reply 2 of 14
    DAalsethDAalseth Posts: 2,783member
    Appleish said:
    On a conference call about a month ago, a medical specialist I highly respect said that within a few weeks, mask mandates would come back due to the Delta Variant. He nailed it. He also said that there would be a 50/50 chance there would be widespread lockdowns starting in October. Let's hope it's the right 50.
    Yeah Delta has really upset everyone’s plans. Fortunately the shots are effective against it, though not quite as much as the earlier ones. Where I live they’re dropping mask requirements and other rules, but I wouldn’t be surprised to see some of them come back on. Fortunately here we have 80+% with one shot and 50+% with two and the count is going up fast. That’ll make all the difference. 
    edited July 2021
  • Reply 3 of 14
    AppleishAppleish Posts: 691member
    DAalseth said:
    Appleish said:
    On a conference call about a month ago, a medical specialist I highly respect said that within a few weeks, mask mandates would come back due to the Delta Variant. He nailed it. He also said that there would be a 50/50 chance there would be widespread lockdowns starting in October. Let's hope it's the right 50.
    Yeah Delta has really upset everyone’s plans. Fortunately the shots are effective against it, though not quite as much as the earlier ones. Where I live they’re dropping mask requirements and other rules, but I wouldn’t be surprised to see some of them come back on. Fortunately here we have 80+% with one shot and 50+% with two and the count is going up fast. That’ll make all the difference. 
    75% with one, and 63% with two here. Pfizer is saying a third dose 'strongly boosts protection against Delta Variant.' My family and I will be first in line.
    edited July 2021 DAalsethAI_lias
  • Reply 4 of 14
    mpantonempantone Posts: 2,040member
    Appleish said:
    DAalseth said:
    Appleish said:
    On a conference call about a month ago, a medical specialist I highly respect said that within a few weeks, mask mandates would come back due to the Delta Variant. He nailed it. He also said that there would be a 50/50 chance there would be widespread lockdowns starting in October. Let's hope it's the right 50.
    Yeah Delta has really upset everyone’s plans. Fortunately the shots are effective against it, though not quite as much as the earlier ones. Where I live they’re dropping mask requirements and other rules, but I wouldn’t be surprised to see some of them come back on. Fortunately here we have 80+% with one shot and 50+% with two and the count is going up fast. That’ll make all the difference. 
    75% with one, and 63% with two here. Pfizer is saying a third dose 'strongly boosts protection against Delta Variant.' My family and I will be first in line.
    Your attitude is excellent however it's not the people who have had two Pfizer (or Moderna) shots who are the problem.

    Over 99% of all current COVID-related hospitalizations and deaths are with people who aren't vaccinated. US Surgeon General Murthy mentioned this in PBS interview a couple of weeks ago. Nothing new. While the various vaccines don't fully prevent infection, they are HIGHLY effective in reducing the severity of symptoms, hospitalization and excess mortality.

    The USA is staring at another grim winter season. The more-contagious delta variant will run rampant through the unvaccinated population. In other nations with even greater vaccine hesitancy, they will be even more screwed.

    Apple Corporate (Apple Park, Infinite Loop, various other campuses in Cupertino) itself isn't a high risk. Most of Santa Clara County's vulnerable population is in the poorer neighborhoods like East San Jose or the rural communities (San Martin, Gilroy, etc.). The big problem is that Apple's corporate campuses (like those of other Silicon Valley companies) have support and maintenance staff from low-income populations -- F&B, maintenance, janitorial, landscaping, security, etc. -- many of whom live in communities with lower vaccination rates.

    Genetic mutations amongst virus strains is well known. That's why there's a new flu vaccine every year.
    rundhvidXed
  • Reply 5 of 14
    JWSCJWSC Posts: 1,203member
    mpantone said:
    Appleish said:
    DAalseth said:
    Appleish said:
    On a conference call about a month ago, a medical specialist I highly respect said that within a few weeks, mask mandates would come back due to the Delta Variant. He nailed it. He also said that there would be a 50/50 chance there would be widespread lockdowns starting in October. Let's hope it's the right 50.
    Yeah Delta has really upset everyone’s plans. Fortunately the shots are effective against it, though not quite as much as the earlier ones. Where I live they’re dropping mask requirements and other rules, but I wouldn’t be surprised to see some of them come back on. Fortunately here we have 80+% with one shot and 50+% with two and the count is going up fast. That’ll make all the difference. 
    75% with one, and 63% with two here. Pfizer is saying a third dose 'strongly boosts protection against Delta Variant.' My family and I will be first in line.
    Your attitude is excellent however it's not the people who have had two Pfizer (or Moderna) shots who are the problem.

    Over 99% of all current COVID-related hospitalizations and deaths are with people who aren't vaccinated. US Surgeon General Murthy mentioned this in PBS interview a couple of weeks ago. Nothing new. While the various vaccines don't fully prevent infection, they are HIGHLY effective in reducing the severity of symptoms, hospitalization and excess mortality.

    The USA is staring at another grim winter season. The more-contagious delta variant will run rampant through the unvaccinated population. In other nations with even greater vaccine hesitancy, they will be even more screwed.

    Apple Corporate (Apple Park, Infinite Loop, various other campuses in Cupertino) itself isn't a high risk. Most of Santa Clara County's vulnerable population is in the poorer neighborhoods like East San Jose or the rural communities (San Martin, Gilroy, etc.). The big problem is that Apple's corporate campuses (like those of other Silicon Valley companies) have support and maintenance staff from low-income populations -- F&B, maintenance, janitorial, landscaping, security, etc. -- many of whom live in communities with lower vaccination rates.

    Genetic mutations amongst virus strains is well known. That's why there's a new flu vaccine every year.
    “Over 99% of all current COVID-related hospitalizations and deaths are with people who aren't vaccinated.”

    Absolutely false!  The UK chief science advisor publicly stated a few days ago that 40% of cases were from those who had already received two shots.  Having the shots may reduce the severity of symptoms but not eliminate them.
  • Reply 6 of 14
    crowleycrowley Posts: 10,453member
    JWSC said:
    mpantone said:
    Appleish said:
    DAalseth said:
    Appleish said:
    On a conference call about a month ago, a medical specialist I highly respect said that within a few weeks, mask mandates would come back due to the Delta Variant. He nailed it. He also said that there would be a 50/50 chance there would be widespread lockdowns starting in October. Let's hope it's the right 50.
    Yeah Delta has really upset everyone’s plans. Fortunately the shots are effective against it, though not quite as much as the earlier ones. Where I live they’re dropping mask requirements and other rules, but I wouldn’t be surprised to see some of them come back on. Fortunately here we have 80+% with one shot and 50+% with two and the count is going up fast. That’ll make all the difference. 
    75% with one, and 63% with two here. Pfizer is saying a third dose 'strongly boosts protection against Delta Variant.' My family and I will be first in line.
    Your attitude is excellent however it's not the people who have had two Pfizer (or Moderna) shots who are the problem.

    Over 99% of all current COVID-related hospitalizations and deaths are with people who aren't vaccinated. US Surgeon General Murthy mentioned this in PBS interview a couple of weeks ago. Nothing new. While the various vaccines don't fully prevent infection, they are HIGHLY effective in reducing the severity of symptoms, hospitalization and excess mortality.

    The USA is staring at another grim winter season. The more-contagious delta variant will run rampant through the unvaccinated population. In other nations with even greater vaccine hesitancy, they will be even more screwed.

    Apple Corporate (Apple Park, Infinite Loop, various other campuses in Cupertino) itself isn't a high risk. Most of Santa Clara County's vulnerable population is in the poorer neighborhoods like East San Jose or the rural communities (San Martin, Gilroy, etc.). The big problem is that Apple's corporate campuses (like those of other Silicon Valley companies) have support and maintenance staff from low-income populations -- F&B, maintenance, janitorial, landscaping, security, etc. -- many of whom live in communities with lower vaccination rates.

    Genetic mutations amongst virus strains is well known. That's why there's a new flu vaccine every year.
    “Over 99% of all current COVID-related hospitalizations and deaths are with people who aren't vaccinated.”

    Absolutely false!  The UK chief science advisor publicly stated a few days ago that 40% of cases were from those who had already received two shots.  Having the shots may reduce the severity of symptoms but not eliminate them.
    mpantone is talking about the US though, which has a lower vaccination rate and different demographics to the UK.

    Also, the UK chief scientific adviser actually (after the correction) said that 60% of hospitalisations are unvaccinated people.  He didn't, to my knowledge, say what proportion of the remaining 40% were single or double vaccinated.  And no comment about deaths either
  • Reply 7 of 14
    JWSCJWSC Posts: 1,203member
    crowley said:
    JWSC said:
    mpantone said:
    Appleish said:
    DAalseth said:
    Appleish said:
    On a conference call about a month ago, a medical specialist I highly respect said that within a few weeks, mask mandates would come back due to the Delta Variant. He nailed it. He also said that there would be a 50/50 chance there would be widespread lockdowns starting in October. Let's hope it's the right 50.
    Yeah Delta has really upset everyone’s plans. Fortunately the shots are effective against it, though not quite as much as the earlier ones. Where I live they’re dropping mask requirements and other rules, but I wouldn’t be surprised to see some of them come back on. Fortunately here we have 80+% with one shot and 50+% with two and the count is going up fast. That’ll make all the difference. 
    75% with one, and 63% with two here. Pfizer is saying a third dose 'strongly boosts protection against Delta Variant.' My family and I will be first in line.
    Your attitude is excellent however it's not the people who have had two Pfizer (or Moderna) shots who are the problem.

    Over 99% of all current COVID-related hospitalizations and deaths are with people who aren't vaccinated. US Surgeon General Murthy mentioned this in PBS interview a couple of weeks ago. Nothing new. While the various vaccines don't fully prevent infection, they are HIGHLY effective in reducing the severity of symptoms, hospitalization and excess mortality.

    The USA is staring at another grim winter season. The more-contagious delta variant will run rampant through the unvaccinated population. In other nations with even greater vaccine hesitancy, they will be even more screwed.

    Apple Corporate (Apple Park, Infinite Loop, various other campuses in Cupertino) itself isn't a high risk. Most of Santa Clara County's vulnerable population is in the poorer neighborhoods like East San Jose or the rural communities (San Martin, Gilroy, etc.). The big problem is that Apple's corporate campuses (like those of other Silicon Valley companies) have support and maintenance staff from low-income populations -- F&B, maintenance, janitorial, landscaping, security, etc. -- many of whom live in communities with lower vaccination rates.

    Genetic mutations amongst virus strains is well known. That's why there's a new flu vaccine every year.
    “Over 99% of all current COVID-related hospitalizations and deaths are with people who aren't vaccinated.”

    Absolutely false!  The UK chief science advisor publicly stated a few days ago that 40% of cases were from those who had already received two shots.  Having the shots may reduce the severity of symptoms but not eliminate them.
    mpantone is talking about the US though, which has a lower vaccination rate and different demographics to the UK.

    Also, the UK chief scientific adviser actually (after the correction) said that 60% of hospitalisations are unvaccinated people.  He didn't, to my knowledge, say what proportion of the remaining 40% were single or double vaccinated.  And no comment about deaths either
    Well, anyone can do the math whether 60-40%.  Doesn’t take a rocket scientist.

    What has been largely overlooked is what percentage of people who have had COVID, which includes me, are susceptible to the variant.  Precious little data to either way, although pundits on both sides have made statements sans the evidence.  The Lancet recently published a study on this.  It was’t definitive.  But it did indicate a reasonable level of resistance.
  • Reply 8 of 14
    crowleycrowley Posts: 10,453member
    JWSC said:
    crowley said:
    JWSC said:
    mpantone said:
    Appleish said:
    DAalseth said:
    Appleish said:
    On a conference call about a month ago, a medical specialist I highly respect said that within a few weeks, mask mandates would come back due to the Delta Variant. He nailed it. He also said that there would be a 50/50 chance there would be widespread lockdowns starting in October. Let's hope it's the right 50.
    Yeah Delta has really upset everyone’s plans. Fortunately the shots are effective against it, though not quite as much as the earlier ones. Where I live they’re dropping mask requirements and other rules, but I wouldn’t be surprised to see some of them come back on. Fortunately here we have 80+% with one shot and 50+% with two and the count is going up fast. That’ll make all the difference. 
    75% with one, and 63% with two here. Pfizer is saying a third dose 'strongly boosts protection against Delta Variant.' My family and I will be first in line.
    Your attitude is excellent however it's not the people who have had two Pfizer (or Moderna) shots who are the problem.

    Over 99% of all current COVID-related hospitalizations and deaths are with people who aren't vaccinated. US Surgeon General Murthy mentioned this in PBS interview a couple of weeks ago. Nothing new. While the various vaccines don't fully prevent infection, they are HIGHLY effective in reducing the severity of symptoms, hospitalization and excess mortality.

    The USA is staring at another grim winter season. The more-contagious delta variant will run rampant through the unvaccinated population. In other nations with even greater vaccine hesitancy, they will be even more screwed.

    Apple Corporate (Apple Park, Infinite Loop, various other campuses in Cupertino) itself isn't a high risk. Most of Santa Clara County's vulnerable population is in the poorer neighborhoods like East San Jose or the rural communities (San Martin, Gilroy, etc.). The big problem is that Apple's corporate campuses (like those of other Silicon Valley companies) have support and maintenance staff from low-income populations -- F&B, maintenance, janitorial, landscaping, security, etc. -- many of whom live in communities with lower vaccination rates.

    Genetic mutations amongst virus strains is well known. That's why there's a new flu vaccine every year.
    “Over 99% of all current COVID-related hospitalizations and deaths are with people who aren't vaccinated.”

    Absolutely false!  The UK chief science advisor publicly stated a few days ago that 40% of cases were from those who had already received two shots.  Having the shots may reduce the severity of symptoms but not eliminate them.
    mpantone is talking about the US though, which has a lower vaccination rate and different demographics to the UK.

    Also, the UK chief scientific adviser actually (after the correction) said that 60% of hospitalisations are unvaccinated people.  He didn't, to my knowledge, say what proportion of the remaining 40% were single or double vaccinated.  And no comment about deaths either
    Well, anyone can do the math whether 60-40%.  Doesn’t take a rocket scientist.

    What has been largely overlooked is what percentage of people who have had COVID, which includes me, are susceptible to the variant.  Precious little data to either way, although pundits on both sides have made statements sans the evidence.  The Lancet recently published a study on this.  It was’t definitive.  But it did indicate a reasonable level of resistance.
    According to the CSO 60% of people on hospitals are unvaccinated.

    The other poster said that 40% were double vaccinated. 

    Since a certain proportion will be single vaccinated then that doesn’t follow. A rocket scientist certainly wouldn’t make that assumption. 
  • Reply 9 of 14
    darkvaderdarkvader Posts: 1,146member
    JWSC said:
    mpantone said:
    Appleish said:
    DAalseth said:
    Appleish said:
    On a conference call about a month ago, a medical specialist I highly respect said that within a few weeks, mask mandates would come back due to the Delta Variant. He nailed it. He also said that there would be a 50/50 chance there would be widespread lockdowns starting in October. Let's hope it's the right 50.
    Yeah Delta has really upset everyone’s plans. Fortunately the shots are effective against it, though not quite as much as the earlier ones. Where I live they’re dropping mask requirements and other rules, but I wouldn’t be surprised to see some of them come back on. Fortunately here we have 80+% with one shot and 50+% with two and the count is going up fast. That’ll make all the difference. 
    75% with one, and 63% with two here. Pfizer is saying a third dose 'strongly boosts protection against Delta Variant.' My family and I will be first in line.
    Your attitude is excellent however it's not the people who have had two Pfizer (or Moderna) shots who are the problem.

    Over 99% of all current COVID-related hospitalizations and deaths are with people who aren't vaccinated. US Surgeon General Murthy mentioned this in PBS interview a couple of weeks ago. Nothing new. While the various vaccines don't fully prevent infection, they are HIGHLY effective in reducing the severity of symptoms, hospitalization and excess mortality.

    The USA is staring at another grim winter season. The more-contagious delta variant will run rampant through the unvaccinated population. In other nations with even greater vaccine hesitancy, they will be even more screwed.

    Apple Corporate (Apple Park, Infinite Loop, various other campuses in Cupertino) itself isn't a high risk. Most of Santa Clara County's vulnerable population is in the poorer neighborhoods like East San Jose or the rural communities (San Martin, Gilroy, etc.). The big problem is that Apple's corporate campuses (like those of other Silicon Valley companies) have support and maintenance staff from low-income populations -- F&B, maintenance, janitorial, landscaping, security, etc. -- many of whom live in communities with lower vaccination rates.

    Genetic mutations amongst virus strains is well known. That's why there's a new flu vaccine every year.
    “Over 99% of all current COVID-related hospitalizations and deaths are with people who aren't vaccinated.”

    Absolutely false!  The UK chief science advisor publicly stated a few days ago that 40% of cases were from those who had already received two shots.  Having the shots may reduce the severity of symptoms but not eliminate them.

    The data here is that 99% of hospitalizations are unvaccinated people.  Delta is more infectious, so it's more likely to get through the vaccine protection.  But you're still far less likely to get sick, and you're almost certainly not going to end up in the hospital or dead if you're fully vaccinated.

    It's just a matter of time before boosters are needed.  And if antivaxxers keep running around unmasked it's only a matter of time before a new variant means a new vaccine has to be developed.
  • Reply 10 of 14
    JWSCJWSC Posts: 1,203member
    darkvader said:
    JWSC said:
    mpantone said:
    Appleish said:
    DAalseth said:
    Appleish said:
    On a conference call about a month ago, a medical specialist I highly respect said that within a few weeks, mask mandates would come back due to the Delta Variant. He nailed it. He also said that there would be a 50/50 chance there would be widespread lockdowns starting in October. Let's hope it's the right 50.
    Yeah Delta has really upset everyone’s plans. Fortunately the shots are effective against it, though not quite as much as the earlier ones. Where I live they’re dropping mask requirements and other rules, but I wouldn’t be surprised to see some of them come back on. Fortunately here we have 80+% with one shot and 50+% with two and the count is going up fast. That’ll make all the difference. 
    75% with one, and 63% with two here. Pfizer is saying a third dose 'strongly boosts protection against Delta Variant.' My family and I will be first in line.
    Your attitude is excellent however it's not the people who have had two Pfizer (or Moderna) shots who are the problem.

    Over 99% of all current COVID-related hospitalizations and deaths are with people who aren't vaccinated. US Surgeon General Murthy mentioned this in PBS interview a couple of weeks ago. Nothing new. While the various vaccines don't fully prevent infection, they are HIGHLY effective in reducing the severity of symptoms, hospitalization and excess mortality.

    The USA is staring at another grim winter season. The more-contagious delta variant will run rampant through the unvaccinated population. In other nations with even greater vaccine hesitancy, they will be even more screwed.

    Apple Corporate (Apple Park, Infinite Loop, various other campuses in Cupertino) itself isn't a high risk. Most of Santa Clara County's vulnerable population is in the poorer neighborhoods like East San Jose or the rural communities (San Martin, Gilroy, etc.). The big problem is that Apple's corporate campuses (like those of other Silicon Valley companies) have support and maintenance staff from low-income populations -- F&B, maintenance, janitorial, landscaping, security, etc. -- many of whom live in communities with lower vaccination rates.

    Genetic mutations amongst virus strains is well known. That's why there's a new flu vaccine every year.
    “Over 99% of all current COVID-related hospitalizations and deaths are with people who aren't vaccinated.”

    Absolutely false!  The UK chief science advisor publicly stated a few days ago that 40% of cases were from those who had already received two shots.  Having the shots may reduce the severity of symptoms but not eliminate them.

    The data here is that 99% of hospitalizations are unvaccinated people.  Delta is more infectious, so it's more likely to get through the vaccine protection.  But you're still far less likely to get sick, and you're almost certainly not going to end up in the hospital or dead if you're fully vaccinated.

    It's just a matter of time before boosters are needed.  And if antivaxxers keep running around unmasked it's only a matter of time before a new variant means a new vaccine has to be developed.
    What data?  Where can it be found?  I am open to any data that can be presented.  But we see constant claims in the media of this or that being so regarding COVID without any supporting data, and it seems to be accepted uncritically by too many.  This is not good because it’s going to cause people to make poor choices.  So, please point to me where I can find data that supports the 99% number.
    edited July 2021 muthuk_vanalingam
  • Reply 11 of 14
    Rayz2016Rayz2016 Posts: 6,957member
    JWSC said:
    darkvader said:
    JWSC said:
    mpantone said:
    Appleish said:
    DAalseth said:
    Appleish said:
    On a conference call about a month ago, a medical specialist I highly respect said that within a few weeks, mask mandates would come back due to the Delta Variant. He nailed it. He also said that there would be a 50/50 chance there would be widespread lockdowns starting in October. Let's hope it's the right 50.
    Yeah Delta has really upset everyone’s plans. Fortunately the shots are effective against it, though not quite as much as the earlier ones. Where I live they’re dropping mask requirements and other rules, but I wouldn’t be surprised to see some of them come back on. Fortunately here we have 80+% with one shot and 50+% with two and the count is going up fast. That’ll make all the difference. 
    75% with one, and 63% with two here. Pfizer is saying a third dose 'strongly boosts protection against Delta Variant.' My family and I will be first in line.
    Your attitude is excellent however it's not the people who have had two Pfizer (or Moderna) shots who are the problem.

    Over 99% of all current COVID-related hospitalizations and deaths are with people who aren't vaccinated. US Surgeon General Murthy mentioned this in PBS interview a couple of weeks ago. Nothing new. While the various vaccines don't fully prevent infection, they are HIGHLY effective in reducing the severity of symptoms, hospitalization and excess mortality.

    The USA is staring at another grim winter season. The more-contagious delta variant will run rampant through the unvaccinated population. In other nations with even greater vaccine hesitancy, they will be even more screwed.

    Apple Corporate (Apple Park, Infinite Loop, various other campuses in Cupertino) itself isn't a high risk. Most of Santa Clara County's vulnerable population is in the poorer neighborhoods like East San Jose or the rural communities (San Martin, Gilroy, etc.). The big problem is that Apple's corporate campuses (like those of other Silicon Valley companies) have support and maintenance staff from low-income populations -- F&B, maintenance, janitorial, landscaping, security, etc. -- many of whom live in communities with lower vaccination rates.

    Genetic mutations amongst virus strains is well known. That's why there's a new flu vaccine every year.
    “Over 99% of all current COVID-related hospitalizations and deaths are with people who aren't vaccinated.”

    Absolutely false!  The UK chief science advisor publicly stated a few days ago that 40% of cases were from those who had already received two shots.  Having the shots may reduce the severity of symptoms but not eliminate them.

    The data here is that 99% of hospitalizations are unvaccinated people.  Delta is more infectious, so it's more likely to get through the vaccine protection.  But you're still far less likely to get sick, and you're almost certainly not going to end up in the hospital or dead if you're fully vaccinated.

    It's just a matter of time before boosters are needed.  And if antivaxxers keep running around unmasked it's only a matter of time before a new variant means a new vaccine has to be developed.
    What data?  Where can it be found?  I am open to any data that can be presented.  But we see constant claims in the media of this or that being so regarding COVID without any supporting data, and it seems to be accepted uncritically by too many.  This is not good because it’s going to cause people to make poor choices.  So, please point to me where I can find data that supports the 99% number.
    https://eu.beaconjournal.com/story/news/2021/05/11/cleveland-clinic-study-employees-covid-19-vaccine-protected-unvaccinated-infections-get-the-sh/5025596001/

    • 99.7% of the infections occurred among those who were unvaccinated.
    • Only 0.3% of the infections occurred among those who were fully vaccinated (two weeks after the second dose).


    That took me five seconds to find. 
     The problem isn’t that the information doesn’t exist. 
     The problem is that you don’t want it to exist.

    Now, while your brain is doing repulicontortions, trying to convince you that all the scientific evidence you know is out there is wrong, remember that the people you’ve chosen to think for you have already taken the vaccine. 
    edited July 2021 Xed
  • Reply 12 of 14
    JWSCJWSC Posts: 1,203member
    Rayz2016 said:
    JWSC said:
    darkvader said:
    JWSC said:
    mpantone said:
    Appleish said:
    DAalseth said:
    Appleish said:
    On a conference call about a month ago, a medical specialist I highly respect said that within a few weeks, mask mandates would come back due to the Delta Variant. He nailed it. He also said that there would be a 50/50 chance there would be widespread lockdowns starting in October. Let's hope it's the right 50.
    Yeah Delta has really upset everyone’s plans. Fortunately the shots are effective against it, though not quite as much as the earlier ones. Where I live they’re dropping mask requirements and other rules, but I wouldn’t be surprised to see some of them come back on. Fortunately here we have 80+% with one shot and 50+% with two and the count is going up fast. That’ll make all the difference. 
    75% with one, and 63% with two here. Pfizer is saying a third dose 'strongly boosts protection against Delta Variant.' My family and I will be first in line.
    Your attitude is excellent however it's not the people who have had two Pfizer (or Moderna) shots who are the problem.

    Over 99% of all current COVID-related hospitalizations and deaths are with people who aren't vaccinated. US Surgeon General Murthy mentioned this in PBS interview a couple of weeks ago. Nothing new. While the various vaccines don't fully prevent infection, they are HIGHLY effective in reducing the severity of symptoms, hospitalization and excess mortality.

    The USA is staring at another grim winter season. The more-contagious delta variant will run rampant through the unvaccinated population. In other nations with even greater vaccine hesitancy, they will be even more screwed.

    Apple Corporate (Apple Park, Infinite Loop, various other campuses in Cupertino) itself isn't a high risk. Most of Santa Clara County's vulnerable population is in the poorer neighborhoods like East San Jose or the rural communities (San Martin, Gilroy, etc.). The big problem is that Apple's corporate campuses (like those of other Silicon Valley companies) have support and maintenance staff from low-income populations -- F&B, maintenance, janitorial, landscaping, security, etc. -- many of whom live in communities with lower vaccination rates.

    Genetic mutations amongst virus strains is well known. That's why there's a new flu vaccine every year.
    “Over 99% of all current COVID-related hospitalizations and deaths are with people who aren't vaccinated.”

    Absolutely false!  The UK chief science advisor publicly stated a few days ago that 40% of cases were from those who had already received two shots.  Having the shots may reduce the severity of symptoms but not eliminate them.

    The data here is that 99% of hospitalizations are unvaccinated people.  Delta is more infectious, so it's more likely to get through the vaccine protection.  But you're still far less likely to get sick, and you're almost certainly not going to end up in the hospital or dead if you're fully vaccinated.

    It's just a matter of time before boosters are needed.  And if antivaxxers keep running around unmasked it's only a matter of time before a new variant means a new vaccine has to be developed.
    What data?  Where can it be found?  I am open to any data that can be presented.  But we see constant claims in the media of this or that being so regarding COVID without any supporting data, and it seems to be accepted uncritically by too many.  This is not good because it’s going to cause people to make poor choices.  So, please point to me where I can find data that supports the 99% number.
    https://eu.beaconjournal.com/story/news/2021/05/11/cleveland-clinic-study-employees-covid-19-vaccine-protected-unvaccinated-infections-get-the-sh/5025596001/

    • 99.7% of the infections occurred among those who were unvaccinated.
    • Only 0.3% of the infections occurred among those who were fully vaccinated (two weeks after the second dose).


    That took me five seconds to find. 
     The problem isn’t that the information doesn’t exist. 
     The problem is that you don’t want it to exist.

    Now, while your brain is doing repulicontortions, trying to convince you that all the scientific evidence you know is out there is wrong, remember that the people you’ve chosen to think for you have already taken the vaccine. 
    WaPo article: “The war has changed: Internal CDC document urges new messaging, warns delta infections likely more severe.”  Enough said.
  • Reply 13 of 14
    crowleycrowley Posts: 10,453member
    JWSC said:
    Rayz2016 said:
    JWSC said:
    darkvader said:
    JWSC said:
    mpantone said:
    Appleish said:
    DAalseth said:
    Appleish said:
    On a conference call about a month ago, a medical specialist I highly respect said that within a few weeks, mask mandates would come back due to the Delta Variant. He nailed it. He also said that there would be a 50/50 chance there would be widespread lockdowns starting in October. Let's hope it's the right 50.
    Yeah Delta has really upset everyone’s plans. Fortunately the shots are effective against it, though not quite as much as the earlier ones. Where I live they’re dropping mask requirements and other rules, but I wouldn’t be surprised to see some of them come back on. Fortunately here we have 80+% with one shot and 50+% with two and the count is going up fast. That’ll make all the difference. 
    75% with one, and 63% with two here. Pfizer is saying a third dose 'strongly boosts protection against Delta Variant.' My family and I will be first in line.
    Your attitude is excellent however it's not the people who have had two Pfizer (or Moderna) shots who are the problem.

    Over 99% of all current COVID-related hospitalizations and deaths are with people who aren't vaccinated. US Surgeon General Murthy mentioned this in PBS interview a couple of weeks ago. Nothing new. While the various vaccines don't fully prevent infection, they are HIGHLY effective in reducing the severity of symptoms, hospitalization and excess mortality.

    The USA is staring at another grim winter season. The more-contagious delta variant will run rampant through the unvaccinated population. In other nations with even greater vaccine hesitancy, they will be even more screwed.

    Apple Corporate (Apple Park, Infinite Loop, various other campuses in Cupertino) itself isn't a high risk. Most of Santa Clara County's vulnerable population is in the poorer neighborhoods like East San Jose or the rural communities (San Martin, Gilroy, etc.). The big problem is that Apple's corporate campuses (like those of other Silicon Valley companies) have support and maintenance staff from low-income populations -- F&B, maintenance, janitorial, landscaping, security, etc. -- many of whom live in communities with lower vaccination rates.

    Genetic mutations amongst virus strains is well known. That's why there's a new flu vaccine every year.
    “Over 99% of all current COVID-related hospitalizations and deaths are with people who aren't vaccinated.”

    Absolutely false!  The UK chief science advisor publicly stated a few days ago that 40% of cases were from those who had already received two shots.  Having the shots may reduce the severity of symptoms but not eliminate them.

    The data here is that 99% of hospitalizations are unvaccinated people.  Delta is more infectious, so it's more likely to get through the vaccine protection.  But you're still far less likely to get sick, and you're almost certainly not going to end up in the hospital or dead if you're fully vaccinated.

    It's just a matter of time before boosters are needed.  And if antivaxxers keep running around unmasked it's only a matter of time before a new variant means a new vaccine has to be developed.
    What data?  Where can it be found?  I am open to any data that can be presented.  But we see constant claims in the media of this or that being so regarding COVID without any supporting data, and it seems to be accepted uncritically by too many.  This is not good because it’s going to cause people to make poor choices.  So, please point to me where I can find data that supports the 99% number.
    https://eu.beaconjournal.com/story/news/2021/05/11/cleveland-clinic-study-employees-covid-19-vaccine-protected-unvaccinated-infections-get-the-sh/5025596001/

    • 99.7% of the infections occurred among those who were unvaccinated.
    • Only 0.3% of the infections occurred among those who were fully vaccinated (two weeks after the second dose).


    That took me five seconds to find. 
     The problem isn’t that the information doesn’t exist. 
     The problem is that you don’t want it to exist.

    Now, while your brain is doing repulicontortions, trying to convince you that all the scientific evidence you know is out there is wrong, remember that the people you’ve chosen to think for you have already taken the vaccine. 
    WaPo article: “The war has changed: Internal CDC document urges new messaging, warns delta infections likely more severe.”  Enough said.
    I sincerely hope that more is said. 
  • Reply 14 of 14
    XedXed Posts: 2,559member
    JWSC said:
    darkvader said:
    JWSC said:
    mpantone said:
    Appleish said:
    DAalseth said:
    Appleish said:
    On a conference call about a month ago, a medical specialist I highly respect said that within a few weeks, mask mandates would come back due to the Delta Variant. He nailed it. He also said that there would be a 50/50 chance there would be widespread lockdowns starting in October. Let's hope it's the right 50.
    Yeah Delta has really upset everyone’s plans. Fortunately the shots are effective against it, though not quite as much as the earlier ones. Where I live they’re dropping mask requirements and other rules, but I wouldn’t be surprised to see some of them come back on. Fortunately here we have 80+% with one shot and 50+% with two and the count is going up fast. That’ll make all the difference. 
    75% with one, and 63% with two here. Pfizer is saying a third dose 'strongly boosts protection against Delta Variant.' My family and I will be first in line.
    Your attitude is excellent however it's not the people who have had two Pfizer (or Moderna) shots who are the problem.

    Over 99% of all current COVID-related hospitalizations and deaths are with people who aren't vaccinated. US Surgeon General Murthy mentioned this in PBS interview a couple of weeks ago. Nothing new. While the various vaccines don't fully prevent infection, they are HIGHLY effective in reducing the severity of symptoms, hospitalization and excess mortality.

    The USA is staring at another grim winter season. The more-contagious delta variant will run rampant through the unvaccinated population. In other nations with even greater vaccine hesitancy, they will be even more screwed.

    Apple Corporate (Apple Park, Infinite Loop, various other campuses in Cupertino) itself isn't a high risk. Most of Santa Clara County's vulnerable population is in the poorer neighborhoods like East San Jose or the rural communities (San Martin, Gilroy, etc.). The big problem is that Apple's corporate campuses (like those of other Silicon Valley companies) have support and maintenance staff from low-income populations -- F&B, maintenance, janitorial, landscaping, security, etc. -- many of whom live in communities with lower vaccination rates.

    Genetic mutations amongst virus strains is well known. That's why there's a new flu vaccine every year.
    “Over 99% of all current COVID-related hospitalizations and deaths are with people who aren't vaccinated.”

    Absolutely false!  The UK chief science advisor publicly stated a few days ago that 40% of cases were from those who had already received two shots.  Having the shots may reduce the severity of symptoms but not eliminate them.

    The data here is that 99% of hospitalizations are unvaccinated people.  Delta is more infectious, so it's more likely to get through the vaccine protection.  But you're still far less likely to get sick, and you're almost certainly not going to end up in the hospital or dead if you're fully vaccinated.

    It's just a matter of time before boosters are needed.  And if antivaxxers keep running around unmasked it's only a matter of time before a new variant means a new vaccine has to be developed.
    What data?

    edited July 2021
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