Maybe they're tired of working for a company that claims to protect user privacy but instead wants to install spyware on users' devices.
That's great. They can easily get jobs at Google, Facebook, Instagram or Twitter because after all, we know they listen to their employees and let the employees make the work rules.
Small point. When Google’s employees protested that the Dragonfly project could be subverted into a surveillance tool, Google shut it down. Not everything is black and white. Most companies are murky shades of grey.
Lots of companies are seeing lots of staff leaving as the planet crawls out of lockdown. Having been stuck at home for eighteen months, folk are hankering for a change of scene – any change of any scene. They can’t move house, or go on a foreign holiday, or visit relatives. So they change the only thing they can change: their job. I’m pretty sure Apple is seeing the same thing. Doesn’t actually mean there’s a problem.
“A lack of optimism was previously raised by Gurman, who reported teams working on the Apple TV being pessimistic about the company's living room strategy.”
no kidding - since they gave up Apple TV’s Airplay receiver exclusivity and started distributing an Apple TV app for all major streaming platforms, the Apple TV device has been dead man walking.
Maybe they're tired of working for a company that claims to protect user privacy but instead wants to install spyware on users' devices.
Unless and until Apple folds when pressed by a national government or law enforcement agency to do anything of the kind, your comment appears to be a defense of the indefensible: child pornography and inappropriate messaging to children. Not certain there's a world where "user privacy" trumps detection and prosecution of either of those.
Man Apple is not good employer, they should be offering to have a designated feeder for these people so they won’t have to pick up their spoons, also butt wiper waiting in bathrooms! Apple! Bad bad!
Maybe they're tired of working for a company that claims to protect user privacy but instead wants to install spyware on users' devices.
That's great. They can easily get jobs at Google, Facebook, Instagram or Twitter because after all, we know they listen to their employees and let the employees make the work rules.
Small point. When Google’s employees protested that the Dragonfly project could be subverted into a surveillance tool, Google shut it down. Not everything is black and white. Most companies are murky shades of grey.
Lots of companies are seeing lots of staff leaving as the planet crawls out of lockdown. Having been stuck at home for eighteen months, folk are hankering for a change of scene – any change of any scene. They can’t move house, or go on a foreign holiday, or visit relatives. So they change the only thing they can change: their job. I’m pretty sure Apple is seeing the same thing. Doesn’t actually mean there’s a problem.
Let them leave, there are millions of people around the world who would take their jobs at half pay. Apple need to stand their ground!
in my opinion other companies are doing more exciting things in these categories then apple is doing with them. for example health: teladoc, all the genomics companies ai: google, tesla, openai, many more cloud computing: google, microsoft, others
Maybe apple should offer to pay their rent for the next 12/24 months
Apple pays their rent: it’s called salary!
You know, the money you get to pay for life’s necessities: food, housing, healthcare.
Or do you think you get paid for life’s luxuries? 🤣
It's so sad that Americans have to pay for healthcare from their salaries
Employees pay for it one way or another. It’s actually cheaper to pay directly through a salary. Where the company notionally pays for it (out of your reduced paycheck) there’s an additional company management tax on top of it. We need to break the illusion that if a company (or government for that matter) pays for some benefit there’s no cost to the employee or citizen. It’s just not reflective of reality. Salary, 401K match, and benefits all roll up into a total compensation package for each employee.
Those people pessimistic about Apple’s future should leave, they would drag the company down with their attitude.
Visions don’t grow from pessimism.
If visionaries leave, because internal bureaucracy blocks their progress and crushes their dreams, well THAT would be problem.
And the entitled bunch who think they could work remotely while still cashing in on high Silicon Valley salaries: good riddance, entitled brats, draining Apple’s coffers. Employees exist to SERVE the company, not the other way around; that’s why people get paid, after all. If the company were there to serve the employees, like some seem to think, the company would need to get paid.
Spoiled brats having an issue with SERVING and servitude, but yet wanting money and safety… …if you don’t want to serve, open your own business, and look how far you get without SERVING your customers.
I’m not here to defend those who insist on working from home regardless of the effects on their performance and the company. But I think it goes too far to say that employees exist only to serve the company. Every business that was ever founded was created with the purpose of serving the founders as well as the employees. They were founded to put food on the table and a roof over everyone’s head. Senior managers who forget this will ultimately run their companies into the ground.
Maybe they're tired of working for a company that claims to protect user privacy but instead wants to install spyware on users' devices.
That's great. They can easily get jobs at Google, Facebook, Instagram or Twitter because after all, we know they listen to their employees and let the employees make the work rules.
Small point. When Google’s employees protested that the Dragonfly project could be subverted into a surveillance tool, Google shut it down. Not everything is black and white. Most companies are murky shades of grey.
Lots of companies are seeing lots of staff leaving as the planet crawls out of lockdown. Having been stuck at home for eighteen months, folk are hankering for a change of scene – any change of any scene. They can’t move house, or go on a foreign holiday, or visit relatives. So they change the only thing they can change: their job. I’m pretty sure Apple is seeing the same thing. Doesn’t actually mean there’s a problem.
Agree that it doesn’t actually mean there’s a problem. Though I find it interesting to observe supposed anonymous Apple fruit-stand employees on Twitter remorselessly bash Apple’s retail management culture. I have yet to determine whether it’s just a loud and vocal minority or if it truly represents a serious problem with the retail management section of the company. Every company has its detractor employees. But the impression is that Apple retail seems to have a lot of disgruntled employees. What that means is anyone’s guess.
Maybe apple should offer to pay their rent for the next 12/24 months
Apple pays their rent: it’s called salary!
You know, the money you get to pay for life’s necessities: food, housing, healthcare.
Or do you think you get paid for life’s luxuries? 🤣
It's so sad that Americans have to pay for healthcare from their salaries
So where do you think the government gets its money from, off of trees? It’s TAXES. Either you pay for you healthcare with your salary or you pay for it with your taxes. There is NO free healthcare, never has been ,never will be. Somebody has to pay. Progressives want to redistribute wealth to pay for it, take from those who have wealth and give it to those who don’t. Either way, YOU pay for your healthcare one way or another. And I really don’t understand how hard that is to comprehend.
Can’t believe I’m agreeing with lkrupp! There’s an argument to be made to further socialize healthcare, but there’s tons of issues to be worked out before that’s viable, and there aren’t too many nations that have sorted this out yet. As a physician that is lucky enough to be able to work in clinics that do provide free health care, I can say that it’s not what people imagine; patients neglect to take their free meds, neglect to show up for their free appointments.. it’s not the panacea people make it out to be. And that’s not even taking into consideration the rampant corruption that exists between medical corporations and government, which seems to be especially pronounced in the US. I have to go through great lengths to prescribe some basic, safe medications, meanwhile, extremely expensive, new, and largely untested medications get the green light because of agreements made between insurance companies and government (Medicaid/Medicare) that make no financial, and little/no therapeutic, sense. A great example, from several years ago (and still the case I believe), were the $3k, crappy tablets for autistic kids that get Medicaid coverage, while iPads, with much more capability, get no Medicaid coverage at all.
Anyway, more on topic, this is basically a juicy rumor that is vague enough to allow everyone to project all their emotionally-driven criticisms on Apple. I’m annoyed by Siri’s lack of progress (although got way better, finally, in the last year or so), but I doubt this job shifting has much to do with it. And the health initiatives are doing amazing work; hard to believe that too many are jumping ship on this.
A lack of optimism was previously raised by Gurman
I'm not sure if this is a common sentiment, but I don't think Mark Gurman is particularly intelligent. He seemingly has some decent sources at times, but anything where he's filling in his own thoughts or opinions on a given subject are often specious or flat out wrong.
Maybe apple should offer to pay their rent for the next 12/24 months
Apple pays their rent: it’s called salary!
You know, the money you get to pay for life’s necessities: food, housing, healthcare.
Or do you think you get paid for life’s luxuries? 🤣
It's so sad that Americans have to pay for healthcare from their salaries
Employees pay for it one way or another. It’s actually cheaper to pay directly through a salary. Where the company notionally pays for it (out of your reduced paycheck) there’s an additional company management tax on top of it. We need to break the illusion that if a company (or government for that matter) pays for some benefit there’s no cost to the employee or citizen. It’s just not reflective of reality. Salary, 401K match, and benefits all roll up into a total compensation package for each employee.
The advantage to employers paying for healthcare is that they only have to pay for people healthy enough to work -- or who are cheap to insure.
The result is that those who get sick get dumped onto the private market where, prior to the ACA, they had to go without health care simply because they needed healthcare! In addition, it is a major reason for older workers being laid off: it's cheaper to insure younger workers.
And, where does that save us money? We have by far the most expensive healthcare system that provides very mediocre care.
Maybe apple should offer to pay their rent for the next 12/24 months
Apple pays their rent: it’s called salary!
You know, the money you get to pay for life’s necessities: food, housing, healthcare.
Or do you think you get paid for life’s luxuries? 🤣
It's so sad that Americans have to pay for healthcare from their salaries
So where do you think the government gets its money from, off of trees? It’s TAXES. Either you pay for you healthcare with your salary or you pay for it with your taxes. There is NO free healthcare, never has been ,never will be. Somebody has to pay. Progressives want to redistribute wealth to pay for it, take from those who have wealth and give it to those who don’t. Either way, YOU pay for your healthcare one way or another. And I really don’t understand how hard that is to comprehend.
Can’t believe I’m agreeing with lkrupp! There’s an argument to be made to further socialize healthcare, but there’s tons of issues to be worked out before that’s viable, and there aren’t too many nations that have sorted this out yet. As a physician that is lucky enough to be able to work in clinics that do provide free health care, I can say that it’s not what people imagine; patients neglect to take their free meds, neglect to show up for their free appointments.. it’s not the panacea people make it out to be. And that’s not even taking into consideration the rampant corruption that exists between medical corporations and government, which seems to be especially pronounced in the US. I have to go through great lengths to prescribe some basic, safe medications, meanwhile, extremely expensive, new, and largely untested medications get the green light because of agreements made between insurance companies and government (Medicaid/Medicare) that make no financial, and little/no therapeutic, sense. A great example, from several years ago (and still the case I believe), were the $3k, crappy tablets for autistic kids that get Medicaid coverage, while iPads, with much more capability, get no Medicaid coverage at all.
Anyway, more on topic, this is basically a juicy rumor that is vague enough to allow everyone to project all their emotionally-driven criticisms on Apple. I’m annoyed by Siri’s lack of progress (although got way better, finally, in the last year or so), but I doubt this job shifting has much to do with it. And the health initiatives are doing amazing work; hard to believe that too many are jumping ship on this.
TL;DR: Apple is still not doomed.
The for-profit American healthcare industry is corrupt to the core and is driven by large organizations who only care about profit not health. In fact, health is the last thing they want: "The money is not in dead people, nor is it in healthy people...". That is why our system is really a disease management system rather than a health care system -- the money is in pushing pills and procedures (at the highest price the market will bear) rather than health.
We spend over $17Trillion a year on health care. It is estimated that 80% of that goes to mitigate the symptoms of chronic diseases -- 80% of which could have been prevented with a healthy lifestyle. But, how does our DiseaseManagement system promote a healthy lifestyle? Blame the patient for not having one -- and go back to pushing pills and procedures.
It's a slick, symbiotic system: Our food industry makes enormous profit pushing foods that make people sick -- then the DiseaseManagement system makes enormous profit treating the symptoms of those diseases without ever curing them. And, the system insures that happens by training dieticians to promote unhealthy foods and physicians to push pills and procedures -- neither is trained in healthy lifestyles -- nor are they paid to promote them.
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no kidding - since they gave up Apple TV’s Airplay receiver exclusivity and started distributing an Apple TV app for all major streaming platforms, the Apple TV device has been dead man walking.
Clickbait...FUD...Doesn't seem like a remote type of position?
It's even sadder when they have to pay for healthcare without a salary -- especially if they don't have a salary because they're too sick to work.
The kind of people who would leave a good job and good company for a few dollars more are not the kind the company wants to keep.
ai: google, tesla, openai, many more
cloud computing: google, microsoft, others