#AppleToo organizer is no longer withdrawing her NLRB complaint against Apple

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Former Apple engineer and #AppleToo organizer Cher Scarlett is reversing course, stating that she is no longer withdrawing her National Labor Relations Board complaint against Apple because the company didn't execute their end of the deal in good faith.

Cher Scarlett reverses course
Cher Scarlett reverses course


Previously, Scarlett planned to drop her NLRB complaint after reaching a settlement with the company. At the same time, she also left the company.

Now, Scarlett tells Forbes that Apple failed to execute in good faith its agreement to publicly acknowledge employees rights to discuss salaries.

"One of the requests I made was for there to be a very public, visible affirmation that employees are allowed to discuss their workplace conditions and compensation, both internally and externally," she told the media outlet.

Although Apple did publish language on its internal Human Resources page acknowledging the right, Scarlett says that the text was "only up for a week" when staffers were off for Thanksgiving break. On the following Monday, it was removed.

Additionally, the #AppleToo organizer claims that Apple refused to make a number of changes to the settlement document requested by the NLRB. That included a clause in Apple's proposed settlement document requesting Scarlett "not solicit, encourage or incite anyone to file any charge or complaint with any administrative agency or Court against Apple" for one year.

The aforementioned "private settlement" between Apple and Scarlett included a one-year severance. Given that Scarlett is no longer withdrawing her NLRB complaint, it's likely that Apple won't make pay out the beverage in full.

Scarlett is the founder of the #AppleToo movement, which sought to bring to light issues within the company such as workplace conditions and discrimination.

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  • Reply 1 of 33
    WeetuWeetu Posts: 8member
    Good lord she’s a piece of work.
    dewmewilliamlondonjdwpatchythepiratemagman1979
  • Reply 2 of 33
    coolfactorcoolfactor Posts: 1,990member
    I bet she's an Android and Windows advocate now. Good luck and good riddance.
    patchythepiratemagman1979
  • Reply 3 of 33
    chadbagchadbag Posts: 1,853member
    Dear AI.   You might want to read over articles before posting.

    "Given that Scarlett is no longer withdrawing her NLRB complaint, it's likely that Apple won't make pay out the beverage in full."
    jdwcrowleydarkvaderronnstompyradarthekatmarc gelijahgmagman1979
  • Reply 4 of 33
    rayboraybo Posts: 42member
    Who’s vetting the applicants?
    scout6900red oak
  • Reply 5 of 33
    jdwjdw Posts: 1,187member
    If one is not a gold digger, at some point one needs to prove it by ending all the silly complaining and just move on to greener pastures.

    The easiest thing in the world to do is cave to human nature and endlessly complain perceived wrongs.

    The hardest thing in the world to do is turn the other cheek, not be dissuaded by wrongs, and show the world the great things you can do.
    scout6900radarthekatpatchythepiratered oak
  • Reply 6 of 33
    crowleycrowley Posts: 10,453member
    If her account of Apple's notice on their intranet is correct then that sounds reasonable, and puts paid to all those who were describing her as unprincipled.

    Good for her.
    godofbiscuitsronnelijahgmichelb76beowulfschmidtcuriousrun8Alex_V
  • Reply 7 of 33
    crowleycrowley Posts: 10,453member
    chadbag said:
    Dear AI.   You might want to read over articles before posting.

    "Given that Scarlett is no longer withdrawing her NLRB complaint, it's likely that Apple won't make pay out the beverage in full."
    Lol, was that a Siri dictation job?
    darkvaderronnmarc gpatchythepirateelijahg
  • Reply 8 of 33
    godofbiscuitsgodofbiscuits Posts: 205member
    Weetu said:
    Good lord she’s a piece of work.

    You don't know anything about the situation, but feel free to be ignorant.
    williamlondondarkvaderronnelijahgmichelb76beowulfschmidtcuriousrun8Alex_V
  • Reply 9 of 33
    WeetuWeetu Posts: 8member
    Weetu said:
    Good lord she’s a piece of work.

    You don't know anything about the situation, but feel free to be ignorant.
    Wrong on both counts, but at least you’re consistent.


    edited December 2021 patchythepiratemagman1979
  • Reply 10 of 33
    godofbiscuitsgodofbiscuits Posts: 205member
    coolfactor said:
    I bet she's an Android and Windows advocate now. Good luck and good riddance.

    You're kidding.
  • Reply 11 of 33
    godofbiscuitsgodofbiscuits Posts: 205member
    jdw said:
    If one is not a gold digger, at some point one needs to prove it by ending all the silly complaining and just move on to greener pastures.

    The easiest thing in the world to do is cave to human nature and endlessly complain perceived wrongs.

    The hardest thing in the world to do is turn the other cheek, not be dissuaded by wrongs, and show the world the great things you can do.

    "Gold-digger".  That's sexist language.  "Silly complaining".  More sexist language.  She's given up a sizable settlement in the interest of attempting to improve the lives of others so that they don't have to deal with the crap she had to deal with. 

    You do realize there are *actual* wrongs in the world and not just perceived ones, right?   Turning the other cheek would be to have taken the settlement, no matter what Apple failed to do -- which is likely what Apple was counting on -- and just go away with her money.   But she's not doing that.  She's giving up a payout and staying and fighting.

    The gyrations some people will go through to preserve their own sexist preconceptions about someone even when all evidence is directly to the contrary.

    Apple, as a giant corporate citizen, isn't a good guy.  They're not evil, but they're not paragons of virtue.  They get away with as much as they can and it ends up crushing a lot of individuals .
    darkvaderwilliamlondonronnelijahgmuthuk_vanalingambeowulfschmidtcuriousrun8Alex_V
  • Reply 12 of 33
    godofbiscuitsgodofbiscuits Posts: 205member
    Weetu said:
    Weetu said:
    Good lord she’s a piece of work.

    You don't know anything about the situation, but feel free to be ignorant.
    Wrong on both counts, but at least you’re consistent.



    She's giving up a payout and staying and sticking up for current Apple employees.  You'd take the money and run, and leave others to go through what she did?  Is that the non-piece-of-work thing to do?
    edited December 2021 darkvaderwilliamlondonronnelijahgmuthuk_vanalingambeowulfschmidtcuriousrun8Alex_V
  • Reply 13 of 33
    godofbiscuitsgodofbiscuits Posts: 205member
    raybo said:
    Who’s vetting the applicants?

    I can see it now, "ok, who's the one who hired that non-punching bag?"
    darkvaderwilliamlondonelijahgAlex_V
  • Reply 14 of 33
    WeetuWeetu Posts: 8member
    godofbiscuits said:
    Weetu said:
    Weetu said:
    Good lord she’s a piece of work.

    You don't know anything about the situation, but feel free to be ignorant.
    Wrong on both counts, but at least you’re consistent.



    "My consistent" what?

    She's giving up a payout and staying and sticking up for current Apple employees.  You'd take the money and run, and leave others to go through what she did?  Is that the non-piece-of-work thing to do?
    Can we confirm that she received a large settlement? Can you confirm that there is rampant sexism in play at Apple? Do you work for Apple?

    If there is a yes to any of that, cool, you have some valid information. But if the answer is no, you’re just sharing your opinion Ike everyone else, so try not to get too haughty.
    williamlondonmwhite
  • Reply 15 of 33
    godofbiscuitsgodofbiscuits Posts: 205member
    Weetu said:
    godofbiscuits said:
    Weetu said:
    Weetu said:
    Good lord she’s a piece of work.

    You don't know anything about the situation, but feel free to be ignorant.
    Wrong on both counts, but at least you’re consistent.



    "My consistent" what?

    She's giving up a payout and staying and sticking up for current Apple employees.  You'd take the money and run, and leave others to go through what she did?  Is that the non-piece-of-work thing to do?
    Can we confirm that she received a large settlement? Can you confirm that there is rampant sexism in play at Apple? Do you work for Apple?

    If there is a yes to any of that, cool, you have some valid information. But if the answer is no, you’re just sharing your opinion Ike everyone else, so try not to get too haughty.

    Tsk tsk.  You first. 

    re: large settlement.  read the article.  You DID read the article, yeah?
    darkvaderwilliamlondonronnelijahgcuriousrun8
  • Reply 16 of 33
    WeetuWeetu Posts: 8member
    godofbiscuits said:
    Weetu said:
    godofbiscuits said:
    Weetu said:
    Weetu said:
    Good lord she’s a piece of work.

    You don't know anything about the situation, but feel free to be ignorant.
    Wrong on both counts, but at least you’re consistent.



    "My consistent" what?

    She's giving up a payout and staying and sticking up for current Apple employees.  You'd take the money and run, and leave others to go through what she did?  Is that the non-piece-of-work thing to do?
    Can we confirm that she received a large settlement? Can you confirm that there is rampant sexism in play at Apple? Do you work for Apple?

    If there is a yes to any of that, cool, you have some valid information. But if the answer is no, you’re just sharing your opinion Ike everyone else, so try not to get too haughty.

    Tsk tsk.  You first. 

    re: large settlement.  read the article.  You DID read the article, yeah?
    I did indeed read the article, thank you. And just like you, I formed my own opinions. While they obviously they don’t mesh with yours, you bring no more facts to the table than I do.
    mwhitepatchythepirate
  • Reply 17 of 33
    williamlondonwilliamlondon Posts: 1,165member
    godofbiscuits said:

    Apple, as a giant corporate citizen, isn't a good guy.  They're not evil, but they're not paragons of virtue.  They get away with as much as they can and it ends up crushing a lot of individuals .
    Nice narrative you've worked up, too bad it's just a fucking opinion masquerading as facts. The irony of your posts is truly rich.
    patchythepirate
  • Reply 18 of 33
    radarthekatradarthekat Posts: 3,616moderator
    godofbiscuits said:
    Weetu said:
    Weetu said:
    Good lord she’s a piece of work.

    You don't know anything about the situation, but feel free to be ignorant.
    Wrong on both counts, but at least you’re consistent.



    She's giving up a payout and staying and sticking up for current Apple employees.  You'd take the money and run, and leave others to go through what she did?  Is that the non-piece-of-work thing to do?
    Is she giving up the severance?  Do you know whether she has received any portion of it and, if so, has she returned that portion to Apple?  
    williamlondonmagman1979
  • Reply 19 of 33
    radarthekatradarthekat Posts: 3,616moderator
    jdw said:
    If one is not a gold digger, at some point one needs to prove it by ending all the silly complaining and just move on to greener pastures.

    The easiest thing in the world to do is cave to human nature and endlessly complain perceived wrongs.

    The hardest thing in the world to do is turn the other cheek, not be dissuaded by wrongs, and show the world the great things you can do.

    "Gold-digger".  That's sexist language.  "Silly complaining".  More sexist language.  She's given up a sizable settlement in the interest of attempting to improve the lives of others so that they don't have to deal with the crap she had to deal with. 

    You do realize there are *actual* wrongs in the world and not just perceived ones, right?   Turning the other cheek would be to have taken the settlement, no matter what Apple failed to do -- which is likely what Apple was counting on -- and just go away with her money.   But she's not doing that.  She's giving up a payout and staying and fighting.

    The gyrations some people will go through to preserve their own sexist preconceptions about someone even when all evidence is directly to the contrary.

    Apple, as a giant corporate citizen, isn't a good guy.  They're not evil, but they're not paragons of virtue.  They get away with as much as they can and it ends up crushing a lot of individuals .
    WebMD defines a gold digger as, “A gold digger is someone who pursues and forms a relationship with someone else for the sole purpose of using or taking that person's money and wealth.”

    That’s not gender-specific. 

    Also, for your reference, the first use of the term, back in 1911 was, 

    “These people are money mad, aren’t they? Worst bunch of gold-diggers I ever saw,” Rex Beach wrote in his 1911 novel The Ne’er-Do-Well.

    Also not gender-specific.

    I’ll grant you that the term is applied more to females than to males, if you’ll grant that most of the very
    large concentrations of personal wealth in society lay in the hands of males.  That’s just how things currently are, but it doesn’t mean that there cannot be males who could be described by the term.  In other words, the prevalence of one group over another in terms of fitting the definition, does not change the definition.  

    As to “silly complaining,” while I wouldn’t agree that description applies here (her complaints may be perfectly valid and serious), it’s hard to support an argument that the term ‘silly complaining’ is sexist.  A lot of people across the gender spectrum can, and often are, guilty of putting forth spurious, non-serious complaints, I’d guess coming from their own entitled and/or uneducated perspectives.  Nothing sexist inherent in the term.  
    edited December 2021 williamlondonmwhiteihatescreennamesjdw
  • Reply 20 of 33
    radarthekatradarthekat Posts: 3,616moderator
    “ Additionally, the #AppleToo organizer claims that Apple refused to make a number of changes to the settlement document requested by the NLRB.”

    I’m curious, does “requested by the National Labor Relations Board (NLRB)” automatically translate to “required…?”  My understanding is that the word ‘requested’ is not a synonym of the word ‘required.’
    williamlondonmwhitemagman1979
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