Says the company trying to monopolize AAA gaming by literally buying the competition.
MS does the same thing Apple does. They just aren’t successful.
This is petty jealousy snd and anticompetitive behavior from Microsoft.
I read that MS will be #3 after the acquisition, so I don't think they are trying to monopolize AAA gaming.
If they were #1 then they'd be succeeding, not trying.
Xbox Series X is selling out, GamePass is at 25M subscriptions and games like Halo, FH5 and SoT are extremely popular in consoles and PCs. Even their games are selling extremely well in Steam. Don't you think they are succeeding, even though they are not #1?
You are forgetting that Microsoft do not make a profit selling their Xbox. Never had (so they say.). So selling out of their Series X Xbox results in a bigger loss, not more profit.
Plus Game Pass is not making a profit. If might be breaking even at its best.
So Microsoft depends on that 30% commission they charge in their Microsoft Store on an Xbox. It's that 30% commission on third party games, plus their Live subscription, that makes gaming very profitable for Microsoft. No way Microsoft will allow a third party store in an Xbox, to take away any of their 30% commission.
Just because they sell their hardware at a loss, doesn't mean that they are more entitled to charge a 30% commission in their Microdot Store on an Xbox, than Apple with their commission in their Apple App Store. Selling their hardware at a loss is the business model Microsoft chose, in order to gain marketshare over Sony as fast as possible. Not a business model that they were forced into. And it has been proven to be a very profitable business model, if done right.
And I'm pretty sure that Microsoft generate way more profit from selling games on each Xbox they sell, than Apple from selling apps on each iPhone they sell. If there were 1.5B Xboxes out there, Microsoft gaming division would probably be more profitable than all of Apple, Inc..
I think people would lay off Apple if they would just allow third party payment systems fully.
Developers already spend $99+ a year for distribution of their apps in the app store. 3rd party payments require $0 for Apple to maintain because they use zero of Apple's infrastructure outside of the phone you already paid for.
Apple doesn't need to take a cut in your entire business.
'already spends' it's only $99 to be a part of the huge marketplace. and yes, Apple does need to collect their toll. they built and maintain the entire thing. get dafuq outta here.
The thing with Apple is they've gotten big enough that their gatekeeping is becoming a problem. I don't like the idea that long term all things tech in the US comes from and is dictated by Apple.
And yet Epic can't actually provide any evidence of a "problem" for Fortnite. They were free to pick and choose which sections of the gaming market would have access to Fortnite. They chose Playstation, Xbox, Windows PCs, iOS/Android. They monetized the game in the same way on all of those platforms: virtual currency that would require a commission payment if purchased in-app OR no commission requirement if purchased online or in a retail store.
For the record just because a lot of companies are doing the same thing doesn't make it right. Devs may put up with being forced to give platforms money for services they could get elsewhere but it doesn't mean they should.
"being forced to give platforms money for services they could get elsewhere" bro, how old are you? no one is forcing developers to join the Apple ecosystem. and yes, they could and should go elsewhere LOL you have no sense of logic or are just a troll.
‘Entity A’ expresses grave concerns about how ‘Entity B’ is doing something bad so that it will distract from the fact that ‘Entity A’ is doing exactly what they’re criticising ‘Entity B’ of doing.
The democrats have mastered this technique with their increasing desire for an authoritarian state. ‘In the public’s interest’, because the population are babies and need protection from the evil coronavirus and the evil Trump and the evil misinformation, and they want the population to suckle at the government’s teat. And the population is happy to submit out of fear.
Are their alternative Xbox stores? Can I side load games onto my Xbox?
That’s a ridiculous comparison. Xbox has around 100 million active users; iOS is nearing 2 billion. Xbox is limited to games; iOS is used in devices that are used in just about every facet of one’s life.
And they have been handsomely. Nobody asked them to make iOS, that was their own choosing. Building out a app store pulling in health and gaming etc that's all their choice. So to cry blood for Apple and near sad situation that they need to charge 30% to developers is bongos thinking.
'nobody asked them to make iOS'
W T F? LOL
nO oNe aSkEd HeNry FoRD to mAke CaRs. Why sHouLd tHey cHaRge fOR eXtrA pAcKageS On tHeIr cArs? haven't they made enough money. DERP!
Says the company trying to monopolize AAA gaming by literally buying the competition.
MS does the same thing Apple does. They just aren’t successful.
This is petty jealousy snd and anticompetitive behavior from Microsoft.
I read that MS will be #3 after the acquisition, so I don't think they are trying to monopolize AAA gaming.
IMO, a $2.35T company is very, very successful.
I don't see them as jealous. They are just getting better to improve and expand GamePass market share. Even Apple is copying GamePass with Apple Arcade.
No one said MS was #1. They aren’t that successful. But they are clearly trying to monopolize “aaa gaming” by buying the major aaa game publishers and then shutting everyone else out of the games.
Apple Arcade existed before game pass. So it’s Ms doing the copying.
2.3 tril is great and all, but it isn’t 3 tril.
And MS just dumped 70 billion on one of its monopolistic game publisher purchases. So thst takes a good chunk out.
Apple Ames the best hardware and software on the market. They also offer amazing services which users trust.
Of course competitors like ms want to hurt Apple any way they can. So they pull this stuff. It’s their only recourse.
They were unable to succeed at phones, even after purchasing Nokia - the entire company. Their product was so lame that no one bought from their store either.
Meanwhile Apple is dominating in the free market with iPhone snd people love the App Store so much that it profits at much greater rates than all rivals. That’s honest hard work translating into success. Where Google and ms take the easy road and sell you out to advertisers, Apple does the hard work snd is now being rewarded. It’s s good thing not s bad one.
And that hard work deserves to get paid. You build s platform that people want and others want to profit from your labor. That’s fine, but you should get s fair cut. That’s what is at stake. Freeloaders want to have apple work for free. Ridiculous. They don’t. If they want thst, then they should sell their wares for free - since they won’t need to pay Apple at that point.
In the physical world, you pay a retailer like Walmart for putting your product on their popular shelves. So it is in the App Store world. Data centers cost money. App vetting costs money. Manpower costs money, marketing costs money. It’s all fair and good for a company to not just recoup their investment, but make s profit (the definition of business) in order to not only profit, but fuel growth and future innovation.
Microsoft is being so anti business and anti fair when it comes to Apple thst they deserve s boycott.
No one needs Microsoft products to work anymore. And they know it. That’s why they want to play the victim of nonexistent crime in order to have someone else stop Apple from being a brilliantly successful company.
You can access iOS and Android devices via the web and completely cut out Apple/Google. Either through PWAs or even just websites. You don’t need to be in The App Store or Google Play for the majority of tasks people do.
Now some idiot is going to say that PWA/web isn’t good enough. To that I say look at the porn industry. They are locked out of App stores so they rely on the web. And if there’s one thing the porn industry does well it’s to make sure their content is available to the widest possible audience. Which means cramming as much functionality as possible into web pages. Maybe those whiners should try to innovate (like the porn industry).
There are some things you can’t do on a PWA, but they are good for a great many things.
Very hypocritical statement of Microsoft, but that doesn’t invalidate their statement.
Also, XBOX/PS are more specialized gaming platforms compared to a generic computing platform like iOS (a phone is a general purpose computer nowadays, and the market is much larger), which is important to take into consideration, but I agree remains a grey area. When does a platform become ‘generic’ and ‘too big’ and therefore becomes a valid case for antitrust matters?
Actually, when Apple is (hopefully) forced to change their ways, the exact argument from Microsoft can be used against them for additional ammo.
Strong people, strong companies and strong countries try to make themselves better.
Weak people, weak companies and weak countries try to tear down the competition.
Except that’s not how it works. Competition is competition, and it comes both with self-improvement and blocking/slowing down competition. That’s capitalism at work.
Says the company trying to monopolize AAA gaming by literally buying the competition.
MS does the same thing Apple does. They just aren’t successful.
This is petty jealousy snd and anticompetitive behavior from Microsoft.
I read that MS will be #3 after the acquisition, so I don't think they are trying to monopolize AAA gaming.
If they were #1 then they'd be succeeding, not trying.
Xbox Series X is selling out, GamePass is at 25M subscriptions and games like Halo, FH5 and SoT are extremely popular in consoles and PCs. Even their games are selling extremely well in Steam. Don't you think they are succeeding, even though they are not #1?
Succeeding in monopolising AAA gaming? No, I don’t think they’re there yet, though the acquisition bonanza is a little worrying.
Actually with an infusion of cash from Microsoft and a guarantee on the availability of Office for the Mac. If they weren’t in antitrust hot water themselves they probably would have let Apple die.
I’m going to correct the record here, since this gets repeated a lot and it isn’t true.
Microsoft did not give Apple any cash. They bought some stock. Which they sold at a tidy profit some years later.
The part about ensuring Office on Mac is accurate.
Actually with an infusion of cash from Microsoft and a guarantee on the availability of Office for the Mac. If they weren’t in antitrust hot water themselves they probably would have let Apple die.
I’m going to correct the record here, since this gets repeated a lot and it isn’t true.
Microsoft did not give Apple any cash. They bought some stock. Which they sold at a tidy profit some years later.
Apple issued new stock, so it was an infusion of investment cash. No one said it was a gift.
Actually with an infusion of cash from Microsoft and a guarantee on the availability of Office for the Mac. If they weren’t in antitrust hot water themselves they probably would have let Apple die.
I’m going to correct the record here, since this gets repeated a lot and it isn’t true.
Microsoft did not give Apple any cash. They bought some stock. Which they sold at a tidy profit some years later.
Apple issued new stock, so it was an infusion of investment cash. No one said it was a gift.
But never the less, the $150M "investment" played no part in saving Apple. Apple did not need that "investment" money, what they needed was Microsoft show of confidence that Apple was going to be around for at least the next 5 years. And Microsoft showed this by "investing" $150M in AAPL non-voting shares and assuring investors that Microsoft Office would be available on the Mac, for the next 5 years. Without MS Office, the iMac would be dead in the water. Just as soon as the 5 years was over, Microsoft unloaded all their shares of AAPL and made a tidy over $300M profit. (It would had been over $600M if their shares had gotten the split in 2000.)
The reason why new share were issues was because Microsoft shares of AAPL were non-voting and would not receive any splits. If Apple was paying a dividend at the time, Microsoft shares would mostly not receive the dividend. These were not the common share sold by brokers or shares that Apple have on hold in its treasury.
Though there are many, many sites that still claim that Microsoft "saved" Apple with their $150M "investment", this is what really happened ........
Here a very informative article (linked from the above article). Any one thinking that Microsoft has some how changed its DNA and is now a crusader against anti-trust behavior, ought to have their head examined. Like they say ... a leopard can't change its spots.
Says the company trying to monopolize AAA gaming by literally buying the competition.
MS does the same thing Apple does. They just aren’t successful.
This is petty jealousy snd and anticompetitive behavior from Microsoft.
I read that MS will be #3 after the acquisition, so I don't think they are trying to monopolize AAA gaming.
If they were #1 then they'd be succeeding, not trying.
Xbox Series X is selling out, GamePass is at 25M subscriptions and games like Halo, FH5 and SoT are extremely popular in consoles and PCs. Even their games are selling extremely well in Steam. Don't you think they are succeeding, even though they are not #1?
You are forgetting that Microsoft do not make a profit selling their Xbox. Never had (so they say.). So selling out of their Series X Xbox results in a bigger loss, not more profit.
Plus Game Pass is not making a profit. If might be breaking even at its best.
So Microsoft depends on that 30% commission they charge in their Microsoft Store on an Xbox. It's that 30% commission on third party games, plus their Live subscription, that makes gaming very profitable for Microsoft. No way Microsoft will allow a third party store in an Xbox, to take away any of their 30% commission.
Just because they sell their hardware at a loss, doesn't mean that they are more entitled to charge a 30% commission in their Microdot Store on an Xbox, than Apple with their commission in their Apple App Store. Selling their hardware at a loss is the business model Microsoft chose, in order to gain marketshare over Sony as fast as possible. Not a business model that they were forced into. And it has been proven to be a very profitable business model, if done right.
And I'm pretty sure that Microsoft generate way more profit from selling games on each Xbox they sell, than Apple from selling apps on each iPhone they sell. If there were 1.5B Xboxes out there, Microsoft gaming division would probably be more profitable than all of Apple, Inc..
Like you said, MS makes money in software and services around the console. The console itself will be too expensive if MS had to sell it at full price. Just look at the cost of the Apple TV 4K. It has 64GB of storage, 3GB of RAM and no controller for $200. Compare that to the Xbox Series S, that has 3x the RAM, 8x the storage, far more advanced CPU and GPU and includes a controller for $300. How much do you think Apple would sell a device with the Xbox Series S / X specs? I don't think consumers will be attracted to a device so expensive, and that's the reason they absorb the cost of the device, and use games and services to make money.
IMO, one of the reasons they are pushing for GamePass is to stop making consoles, since you'll be able to play in any device, PC / Mac / Linux, smartphone, tablet and even TV apps. Let's see how it goes.
Says the company trying to monopolize AAA gaming by literally buying the competition.
MS does the same thing Apple does. They just aren’t successful.
This is petty jealousy snd and anticompetitive behavior from Microsoft.
I read that MS will be #3 after the acquisition, so I don't think they are trying to monopolize AAA gaming.
IMO, a $2.35T company is very, very successful.
I don't see them as jealous. They are just getting better to improve and expand GamePass market share. Even Apple is copying GamePass with Apple Arcade.
No one said MS was #1. They aren’t that successful. But they are clearly trying to monopolize “aaa gaming” by buying the major aaa game publishers and then shutting everyone else out of the games.
Apple Arcade existed before game pass. So it’s Ms doing the copying.
2.3 tril is great and all, but it isn’t 3 tril.
And MS just dumped 70 billion on one of its monopolistic game publisher purchases. So thst takes a good chunk out.
Apple Ames the best hardware and software on the market. They also offer amazing services which users trust.
Of course competitors like ms want to hurt Apple any way they can. So they pull this stuff. It’s their only recourse.
They were unable to succeed at phones, even after purchasing Nokia - the entire company. Their product was so lame that no one bought from their store either.
Meanwhile Apple is dominating in the free market with iPhone snd people love the App Store so much that it profits at much greater rates than all rivals. That’s honest hard work translating into success. Where Google and ms take the easy road and sell you out to advertisers, Apple does the hard work snd is now being rewarded. It’s s good thing not s bad one.
And that hard work deserves to get paid. You build s platform that people want and others want to profit from your labor. That’s fine, but you should get s fair cut. That’s what is at stake. Freeloaders want to have apple work for free. Ridiculous. They don’t. If they want thst, then they should sell their wares for free - since they won’t need to pay Apple at that point.
In the physical world, you pay a retailer like Walmart for putting your product on their popular shelves. So it is in the App Store world. Data centers cost money. App vetting costs money. Manpower costs money, marketing costs money. It’s all fair and good for a company to not just recoup their investment, but make s profit (the definition of business) in order to not only profit, but fuel growth and future innovation.
Microsoft is being so anti business and anti fair when it comes to Apple thst they deserve s boycott.
No one needs Microsoft products to work anymore. And they know it. That’s why they want to play the victim of nonexistent crime in order to have someone else stop Apple from being a brilliantly successful company.
I was replying the comment that MS is not succeeding, when is a $2.35T. My point is that you don't need to be #1 to succeed, and not that MS is #1, even though they are #1 in some business. IMO, I don't see them monopolizing AAA gaming, they are just expanding the AAA catalog of games for GamesPass.
Yes, $2.3T is not $3T, but does it means that MS is not succeeding? I don't think so.
MS is acquiring a +$60B company, so it's not that they dump money in the process.
Agree that Apple makes some of the best hardware in the market , but in software, no, they are not the best, neither are some of their services.
Too bad MS didn't succeed in phone. They had some great ideas, and even Apple copied some of them.
Yes, Apple hard work is paying off, same as MS, specially with their business / enterprise ecosystem.
In your opinion, MS is being anti-business, and I hear a lot of people saying the same about Apple. Who knows?
Maybe you don't need MS products, but a lot of business / enterprises need them for the operation.
Says the company trying to monopolize AAA gaming by literally buying the competition.
MS does the same thing Apple does. They just aren’t successful.
This is petty jealousy snd and anticompetitive behavior from Microsoft.
I read that MS will be #3 after the acquisition, so I don't think they are trying to monopolize AAA gaming.
If they were #1 then they'd be succeeding, not trying.
Xbox Series X is selling out, GamePass is at 25M subscriptions and games like Halo, FH5 and SoT are extremely popular in consoles and PCs. Even their games are selling extremely well in Steam. Don't you think they are succeeding, even though they are not #1?
Succeeding in monopolising AAA gaming? No, I don’t think they’re there yet, though the acquisition bonanza is a little worrying.
IMO, the good thing about MS acquiring these companies is their goal of gaming in PC, consoles and mobile devices with Cloud Gaming. From a consumer POV, is the best option available.
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Plus Game Pass is not making a profit. If might be breaking even at its best.
https://www.essentiallysports.com/esports-news-not-the-only-focus-ps-seemingly-admits-game-pass-is-not-profitable-but-neither-is-xbox-console/
So Microsoft depends on that 30% commission they charge in their Microsoft Store on an Xbox. It's that 30% commission on third party games, plus their Live subscription, that makes gaming very profitable for Microsoft. No way Microsoft will allow a third party store in an Xbox, to take away any of their 30% commission.
https://www.theverge.com/2021/5/6/22422691/microsoft-xbox-consoles-profit-software-services-revenue-apple-epic-games-trial
Just because they sell their hardware at a loss, doesn't mean that they are more entitled to charge a 30% commission in their Microdot Store on an Xbox, than Apple with their commission in their Apple App Store. Selling their hardware at a loss is the business model Microsoft chose, in order to gain marketshare over Sony as fast as possible. Not a business model that they were forced into. And it has been proven to be a very profitable business model, if done right.
And I'm pretty sure that Microsoft generate way more profit from selling games on each Xbox they sell, than Apple from selling apps on each iPhone they sell. If there were 1.5B Xboxes out there, Microsoft gaming division would probably be more profitable than all of Apple, Inc..
One word - "Parler" - and add AWS as well to the list above.
In this day and age - we need better options.
( I can't stand apple News and so don't use it ..... though i am Apple One subscriber )
'already spends' it's only $99 to be a part of the huge marketplace. and yes, Apple does need to collect their toll. they built and maintain the entire thing. get dafuq outta here.
LOL get off the drugs bruh!
not ridiculous at all.
'nobody asked them to make iOS'
W T F? LOL
nO oNe aSkEd HeNry FoRD to mAke CaRs. Why sHouLd tHey cHaRge fOR eXtrA pAcKageS On tHeIr cArs? haven't they made enough money. DERP!
repeat after me.... slowly... C A P I T A L I S M
PWA
Porn
You can access iOS and Android devices via the web and completely cut out Apple/Google. Either through PWAs or even just websites. You don’t need to be in The App Store or Google Play for the majority of tasks people do.
Now some idiot is going to say that PWA/web isn’t good enough. To that I say look at the porn industry. They are locked out of App stores so they rely on the web. And if there’s one thing the porn industry does well it’s to make sure their content is available to the widest possible audience. Which means cramming as much functionality as possible into web pages. Maybe those whiners should try to innovate (like the porn industry).
There are some things you can’t do on a PWA, but they are good for a great many things.
Microsoft did not give Apple any cash. They bought some stock. Which they sold at a tidy profit some years later.
The part about ensuring Office on Mac is accurate.
The reason why new share were issues was because Microsoft shares of AAPL were non-voting and would not receive any splits. If Apple was paying a dividend at the time, Microsoft shares would mostly not receive the dividend. These were not the common share sold by brokers or shares that Apple have on hold in its treasury.
Though there are many, many sites that still claim that Microsoft "saved" Apple with their $150M "investment", this is what really happened ........
https://thisdayintechhistory.com/08/06/apple-and-microsoft-call-truce/
Here a very informative article (linked from the above article). Any one thinking that Microsoft has some how changed its DNA and is now a crusader against anti-trust behavior, ought to have their head examined. Like they say ... a leopard can't change its spots.
http://www.roughlydrafted.com/RD/RDM.Tech.Q1.07/592FE887-5CA1-4F30-BD62-407362B533B9.html
IMO, one of the reasons they are pushing for GamePass is to stop making consoles, since you'll be able to play in any device, PC / Mac / Linux, smartphone, tablet and even TV apps. Let's see how it goes.
Yes, $2.3T is not $3T, but does it means that MS is not succeeding? I don't think so.
MS is acquiring a +$60B company, so it's not that they dump money in the process.
Agree that Apple makes some of the best hardware in the market , but in software, no, they are not the best, neither are some of their services.
Too bad MS didn't succeed in phone. They had some great ideas, and even Apple copied some of them.
Yes, Apple hard work is paying off, same as MS, specially with their business / enterprise ecosystem.
In your opinion, MS is being anti-business, and I hear a lot of people saying the same about Apple. Who knows?
Maybe you don't need MS products, but a lot of business / enterprises need them for the operation.