We had some audio/video synchrony problems with the booth, the game audio itself matched up. 3way in the booth was confusing as voices were not distinct enough to tell who was who. I just ended up tuning them out. The way MLB handled the rain delay was a mess. Jumping to three different games without any lead in.
Are there not regional blackouts on these streams?
Apple has exclusives for these games, so no blackouts.
Not completely true. There are no blackouts, but Apple does not have an exclusive.They are all still shown locally on the regional networks with usual announcers.
Completely incorrect. The only transmission of those two games each Friday night is through ATV+. The RSN or local TV broadcast teams have the night off. They tell you as much when talking about where to view that game.
I had zero connection issues with either game, which makes me think the complaints viewers had with connectivity were ISP-related.
The minimalism visually was welcome, though their recap bug has the same weird feature as the one used by TBS: there are 3 markers for outs, instead of 2. The 3rd is superfluous, since if it’s needed the game is going to a commercial anyway.
Yes, the booth work was regrettable, but that is easily fixed. Old-school announcers used to let the sounds of the game be part of the story, but ESPN promoted the idea of wiseass announcers trying to impress the viewer with intelligence, which leads to attempts to one-up and fill the audio channel with banality.
Apple would do well to pare the teams to a maximum of 3, or even 2. Vin Scully worked alone for decades and showed how it should be done, using the same approach on TV or radio. Apple can educate these teams that minimalism also works well for television audio, and not just electronics products.
Apple would do well to pare the teams to a maximum of 3, or even 2. Vin Scully worked alone for decades and showed how it should be done, using the same approach on TV or radio. Apple can educate these teams that minimalism also works well for television audio, and not just electronics products.
Vin Scully is a white guy. Whoever did the hiring for Apple clearly doesn't want any of those. Out of 10 announcers, zero were white guys. No way that was an accident.
Terribly sorry you feel underrepresented and marginalized. Thoughts and prayers for you in this difficult time.
They actually did shill for Apple products…..one announcer was like “My Apple Watch is telling me to stand up.” The other announcer said something like “Yeah, I have try and trick it sometimes by swinging my arm”.
How is this shilling? And what were they supposed to talk about? Android watches that nobody wears?
I am so glad I stopped wasting my time on pro sports decades ago.
However, Apple will learn and correct and improve the product. That is how Apple works with every product. Hopefully their media company leadership got that DNA implanted in them the way the product teams do. It may take time to work things out but it will improve. I suspect other broadcasters will eventually turn on their copy machines and mimic how Apple does it.
They actually did shill for Apple products…..one announcer was like “My Apple Watch is telling me to stand up.” The other announcer said something like “Yeah, I have try and trick it sometimes by swinging my arm”.
How is this shilling? And what were they supposed to talk about? Android watches that nobody wears?
Agreed. Sounds more like commentators struggling to fill “dead air” with funny or witty or amusing things.
Are there not regional blackouts on these streams?
Apple has exclusives for these games, so no blackouts.
Not completely true. There are no blackouts, but Apple does not have an exclusive.They are all still shown locally on the regional networks with usual announcers.
Completely incorrect. The only transmission of those two games each Friday night is through ATV+. The RSN or local TV broadcast teams have the night off. They tell you as much when talking about where to view that game.
I humbly stand corrected. No local broadcasts those nights.
It's the usual boneheaded comments, like all the people that canned Apple TV+ shows when they first started up and how they were so far behind other streaming offerings.
What “boneheaded” comments? If you can’t be specific or have nothing to offer in terms of critical comment, get out of the Comments section!
I thought it was good, with the exception that the commentary was excessive. It is possible to be silent occasionally, and just let the sound from inside ballpark come through. That's actually part of the pleasure of going to a baseball game. There's an ebb and flow. A zen, even. There's a more relaxed ambience that doesn't involve someone talking just to fill the space. Hopefully Apple will dial that back in subsequent broadcasts. How about a toggle for an audio option with just the sounds from inside the ballpark, with no broadcast commentary?
Apple would do well to pare the teams to a maximum of 3, or even 2. Vin Scully worked alone for decades and showed how it should be done, using the same approach on TV or radio. Apple can educate these teams that minimalism also works well for television audio, and not just electronics products.
Vin Scully is a white guy. Whoever did the hiring for Apple clearly doesn't want any of those. Out of 10 announcers, zero were white guys. No way that was an accident.
Most of American History has granted exclusivity for plum jobs to white dudes, and most of the rest of recent history has at minimum granted a strong preference for plum jobs for white dudes. Then, when some People Who Are Not White Dudes finally get a shot at things, we inevitably hear all these laments about "meritocracy" that ignore that very long prior history that was not a meritocracy. (Note that the people who complain now were perfectly fine with the lack of a meritocracy before.) This then also ignores the fact that 250 years of not-meritocracy bakes in residual, lingering systemic disadvantages for those who were always excluded before. As a result, you can't just flip a switch and actually get a meritocracy just by declaring you have one. There has to be an intentionality directed towards making sure those who have previously been excluded now get a turn. You can only get to a point where you can have an actual meritocracy after everyone gets really, really used to seeing all sorts of people who had previously been excluded now regularly getting turns.
Put a different way, back in kindergarten if a small group of friends always hogged the swings at recess, eventually the teacher would come over and make those kids get off the swings so some others could take a turn at it. You can bet those first kids would get mad and stomp and cry about it. The lesson here is of course that the teachers weren't taking something away from the kids who had been hogging the swings. They were intervening to keep the selfish kids from taking something away from the other kids who had been continuously deprived of their turn. Until those first kids got over their sense of entitlement and accepted that it was normal for them to wait their turn like everyone else, those teachers would have to stand by and monitor the situation and intervene when things started to get off course again. Unfortunately, this is a lesson that many adults today seem not to have ever learned.
Apple would do well to pare the teams to a maximum of 3, or even 2. Vin Scully worked alone for decades and showed how it should be done, using the same approach on TV or radio. Apple can educate these teams that minimalism also works well for television audio, and not just electronics products.
Vin Scully is a white guy. Whoever did the hiring for Apple clearly doesn't want any of those. Out of 10 announcers, zero were white guys. No way that was an accident.
Most of American History has granted exclusivity for plum jobs to white dudes, and most of the rest of recent history has at minimum granted a strong preference for plum jobs for white dudes. Then, when some People Who Are Not White Dudes finally get a shot at things, we inevitably hear all these laments about "meritocracy" that ignore that very long prior history that was not a meritocracy. (Note that the people who complain now were perfectly fine with the lack of a meritocracy before.) This then also ignores the fact that 250 years of not-meritocracy bakes in residual, lingering systemic disadvantages for those who were always excluded before. As a result, you can't just flip a switch and actually get a meritocracy just by declaring you have one. There has to be an intentionality directed towards making sure those who have previously been excluded now get a turn. You can only get to a point where you can have an actual meritocracy after everyone gets really, really used to seeing all sorts of people who had previously been excluded now regularly getting turns.
Put a different way, back in kindergarten if a small group of friends always hogged the swings at recess, eventually the teacher would come over and make those kids get off the swings so some others could take a turn at it. You can bet those first kids would get mad and stomp and cry about it. The lesson here is of course that the teachers weren't taking something away from the kids who had been hogging the swings. They were intervening to keep the selfish kids from taking something away from the other kids who had been continuously deprived of their turn. Until those first kids got over their sense of entitlement and accepted that it was normal for them to wait their turn like everyone else, those teachers would have to stand by and monitor the situation and intervene when things started to get off course again. Unfortunately, this is a lesson that many adults today seem not to have ever learned.
So what you're saying is, it's ok for the teachers to put on the swings the kids who can't really ride them due to the fact they've never been interested in, nor particularly wanted to ride the swings, but until they've accrued 80% of the total time out of all time spent on the swings things aren't "equal". It's ok to disallow those kids an equal share of the swing time forever more because they had more time in the past. Got it, thanks.
Men are vastly overrepresented in the trash collection industry. Why isn't there a clamour to get women into that? Because it's less glamorous? It's an undeniably more important job than any of these tech jobs. We can do without phones, without a trash collection we'd be rife with disease in weeks. Equality means equality everywhere, not just in the higher paying jobs.
Men are vastly overrepresented in the trash collection industry. Why isn't there a clamour to get women into that? Because it's less glamorous? It's an undeniably more important job than any of these tech jobs. We can do without phones, without a trash collection we'd be rife with disease in weeks. Equality means equality everywhere, not just in the higher paying jobs.
They said nothing about equality. What they described is called equity. And you're missing the point. Trash collectors don't have any real power. It's the Friday night baseball commentators who have been running everything this whole time. Replacing them with members of under-represented communities is the change this country has always needed and it will fix our major issues, especially inflation, homelessness, and skyrocketing food and fuel costs. It's all about perspective
Apple would do well to pare the teams to a maximum of 3, or even 2. Vin Scully worked alone for decades and showed how it should be done, using the same approach on TV or radio. Apple can educate these teams that minimalism also works well for television audio, and not just electronics products.
Vin Scully is a white guy. Whoever did the hiring for Apple clearly doesn't want any of those. Out of 10 announcers, zero were white guys. No way that was an accident.
Most of American History has granted exclusivity for plum jobs to white dudes, and most of the rest of recent history has at minimum granted a strong preference for plum jobs for white dudes. Then, when some People Who Are Not White Dudes finally get a shot at things, we inevitably hear all these laments about "meritocracy" that ignore that very long prior history that was not a meritocracy. (Note that the people who complain now were perfectly fine with the lack of a meritocracy before.) This then also ignores the fact that 250 years of not-meritocracy bakes in residual, lingering systemic disadvantages for those who were always excluded before. As a result, you can't just flip a switch and actually get a meritocracy just by declaring you have one. There has to be an intentionality directed towards making sure those who have previously been excluded now get a turn. You can only get to a point where you can have an actual meritocracy after everyone gets really, really used to seeing all sorts of people who had previously been excluded now regularly getting turns.
Put a different way, back in kindergarten if a small group of friends always hogged the swings at recess, eventually the teacher would come over and make those kids get off the swings so some others could take a turn at it. You can bet those first kids would get mad and stomp and cry about it. The lesson here is of course that the teachers weren't taking something away from the kids who had been hogging the swings. They were intervening to keep the selfish kids from taking something away from the other kids who had been continuously deprived of their turn. Until those first kids got over their sense of entitlement and accepted that it was normal for them to wait their turn like everyone else, those teachers would have to stand by and monitor the situation and intervene when things started to get off course again. Unfortunately, this is a lesson that many adults today seem not to have ever learned.
So what you're saying is, it's ok for the teachers to put on the swings the kids who can't really ride them due to the fact they've never been interested in, nor particularly wanted to ride the swings, but until they've accrued 80% of the total time out of all time spent on the swings things aren't "equal". It's ok to disallow those kids an equal share of the swing time forever more because they had more time in the past. Got it, thanks.
Men are vastly overrepresented in the trash collection industry. Why isn't there a clamour to get women into that? Because it's less glamorous? It's an undeniably more important job than any of these tech jobs. We can do without phones, without a trash collection we'd be rife with disease in weeks. Equality means equality everywhere, not just in the higher paying jobs.
You're suggesting that black baseball commentators don't really want to be baseball commentators and are being forced into it?
Apple would do well to pare the teams to a maximum of 3, or even 2. Vin Scully worked alone for decades and showed how it should be done, using the same approach on TV or radio. Apple can educate these teams that minimalism also works well for television audio, and not just electronics products.
Vin Scully is a white guy. Whoever did the hiring for Apple clearly doesn't want any of those. Out of 10 announcers, zero were white guys. No way that was an accident.
Most of American History has granted exclusivity for plum jobs to white dudes, and most of the rest of recent history has at minimum granted a strong preference for plum jobs for white dudes. Then, when some People Who Are Not White Dudes finally get a shot at things, we inevitably hear all these laments about "meritocracy" that ignore that very long prior history that was not a meritocracy. (Note that the people who complain now were perfectly fine with the lack of a meritocracy before.) This then also ignores the fact that 250 years of not-meritocracy bakes in residual, lingering systemic disadvantages for those who were always excluded before. As a result, you can't just flip a switch and actually get a meritocracy just by declaring you have one. There has to be an intentionality directed towards making sure those who have previously been excluded now get a turn. You can only get to a point where you can have an actual meritocracy after everyone gets really, really used to seeing all sorts of people who had previously been excluded now regularly getting turns.
Put a different way, back in kindergarten if a small group of friends always hogged the swings at recess, eventually the teacher would come over and make those kids get off the swings so some others could take a turn at it. You can bet those first kids would get mad and stomp and cry about it. The lesson here is of course that the teachers weren't taking something away from the kids who had been hogging the swings. They were intervening to keep the selfish kids from taking something away from the other kids who had been continuously deprived of their turn. Until those first kids got over their sense of entitlement and accepted that it was normal for them to wait their turn like everyone else, those teachers would have to stand by and monitor the situation and intervene when things started to get off course again. Unfortunately, this is a lesson that many adults today seem not to have ever learned.
So what you're saying is, it's ok for the teachers to put on the swings the kids who can't really ride them due to the fact they've never been interested in, nor particularly wanted to ride the swings, but until they've accrued 80% of the total time out of all time spent on the swings things aren't "equal". It's ok to disallow those kids an equal share of the swing time forever more because they had more time in the past. Got it, thanks.
Men are vastly overrepresented in the trash collection industry. Why isn't there a clamour to get women into that? Because it's less glamorous? It's an undeniably more important job than any of these tech jobs. We can do without phones, without a trash collection we'd be rife with disease in weeks. Equality means equality everywhere, not just in the higher paying jobs.
I'm saying you don't actually have a meritocracy if you only start enforcing the rules of competition and fairness at the finish line.
Apple would do well to pare the teams to a maximum of 3, or even 2. Vin Scully worked alone for decades and showed how it should be done, using the same approach on TV or radio. Apple can educate these teams that minimalism also works well for television audio, and not just electronics products.
Vin Scully is a white guy. Whoever did the hiring for Apple clearly doesn't want any of those. Out of 10 announcers, zero were white guys. No way that was an accident.
Most of American History has granted exclusivity for plum jobs to white dudes, and most of the rest of recent history has at minimum granted a strong preference for plum jobs for white dudes. Then, when some People Who Are Not White Dudes finally get a shot at things, we inevitably hear all these laments about "meritocracy" that ignore that very long prior history that was not a meritocracy. (Note that the people who complain now were perfectly fine with the lack of a meritocracy before.) This then also ignores the fact that 250 years of not-meritocracy bakes in residual, lingering systemic disadvantages for those who were always excluded before. As a result, you can't just flip a switch and actually get a meritocracy just by declaring you have one. There has to be an intentionality directed towards making sure those who have previously been excluded now get a turn. You can only get to a point where you can have an actual meritocracy after everyone gets really, really used to seeing all sorts of people who had previously been excluded now regularly getting turns.
Put a different way, back in kindergarten if a small group of friends always hogged the swings at recess, eventually the teacher would come over and make those kids get off the swings so some others could take a turn at it. You can bet those first kids would get mad and stomp and cry about it. The lesson here is of course that the teachers weren't taking something away from the kids who had been hogging the swings. They were intervening to keep the selfish kids from taking something away from the other kids who had been continuously deprived of their turn. Until those first kids got over their sense of entitlement and accepted that it was normal for them to wait their turn like everyone else, those teachers would have to stand by and monitor the situation and intervene when things started to get off course again. Unfortunately, this is a lesson that many adults today seem not to have ever learned.
So what you're saying is, it's ok for the teachers to put on the swings the kids who can't really ride them due to the fact they've never been interested in, nor particularly wanted to ride the swings, but until they've accrued 80% of the total time out of all time spent on the swings things aren't "equal". It's ok to disallow those kids an equal share of the swing time forever more because they had more time in the past. Got it, thanks.
Men are vastly overrepresented in the trash collection industry. Why isn't there a clamour to get women into that? Because it's less glamorous? It's an undeniably more important job than any of these tech jobs. We can do without phones, without a trash collection we'd be rife with disease in weeks. Equality means equality everywhere, not just in the higher paying jobs.
Honestly, it really is fascinating the "but meritocracy!" response that always emerges whenever anything related to this subject comes up here. I don't think you even realize how well what you wrote encapsulates the problem with that "but meritocracy!" response. For so many of the dominated-by-white-dudes plum jobs, people-who-are-not-white-dudes not only haven't been given the same opportunities to learn about them or prepare for them, they have spent their formative years literally being told "this subject is not for you" and "that job is not for you." Then when at some later point an effort is made to correct for that, proponents of the status quo use the effectiveness of those prior efforts to keep others out as 'proof' that they don't belong and can't do those things.
So here with the playground metaphor, you take as a given that kids who have been to this point precluded from using the swings just aren't interested in them, and worse, the lack of access that prevented them from gaining experience playing on them becomes 'proof' that they "can't really ride them." I saw what you did there. Did you? So writ large, the "but meritocracy!" crowd will use the success of preventing girls and minorities from accessing certain educational opportunities as "proof" that women and minorities can't do the jobs based on those educational foundations.
One more thing to drive it all home, to use a baseball reference: From a purely capitalistic perspective, it makes good business sense to diversify the on-air team, because that will tend to help diversify and grow the audience. A bigger audience equals a bigger opportunity for advertising revenue.
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3way in the booth was confusing as voices were not distinct enough to tell who was who. I just ended up tuning them out.
The way MLB handled the rain delay was a mess. Jumping to three different games without any lead in.
Commercials. Ugh. Why on a subscription service?
Nice that Apple has control of the graphics.
Maybe Apple should allow muting of commentators.
How is this shilling? And what were they supposed to talk about? Android watches that nobody wears?
Put a different way, back in kindergarten if a small group of friends always hogged the swings at recess, eventually the teacher would come over and make those kids get off the swings so some others could take a turn at it. You can bet those first kids would get mad and stomp and cry about it. The lesson here is of course that the teachers weren't taking something away from the kids who had been hogging the swings. They were intervening to keep the selfish kids from taking something away from the other kids who had been continuously deprived of their turn. Until those first kids got over their sense of entitlement and accepted that it was normal for them to wait their turn like everyone else, those teachers would have to stand by and monitor the situation and intervene when things started to get off course again. Unfortunately, this is a lesson that many adults today seem not to have ever learned.
Men are vastly overrepresented in the trash collection industry. Why isn't there a clamour to get women into that? Because it's less glamorous? It's an undeniably more important job than any of these tech jobs. We can do without phones, without a trash collection we'd be rife with disease in weeks. Equality means equality everywhere, not just in the higher paying jobs.
Sure pal.
So here with the playground metaphor, you take as a given that kids who have been to this point precluded from using the swings just aren't interested in them, and worse, the lack of access that prevented them from gaining experience playing on them becomes 'proof' that they "can't really ride them." I saw what you did there. Did you? So writ large, the "but meritocracy!" crowd will use the success of preventing girls and minorities from accessing certain educational opportunities as "proof" that women and minorities can't do the jobs based on those educational foundations.