Apple's dutch dating app proposals still fail to please regulator

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A Dutch regulator says Apple's proposal to enable third-party payments for dating apps in the regional App Store isn't sufficient enough to abide by its order, though it admits some improvement was made on the matter.




Apple has been trying to adhere to an order from the Authority for Consumers and Markets (ACM) to allow dating apps to use third-party payment processors for in-app payments. Following Apple's submission of a fresh proposal in March to try and appease the regulator, it seems that the changes weren't enough in ACM's eyes.

In a statement from ACM received by journalist Nando Kasteleijn, the ACM concludes the changes Apple made in its late March submission were insufficient. The translated statement says Apple still "uses unreasonable conditions for dating app providers in the Netherlands."

Update in Apple-zaak van de ACM:

Toezichthouder bereidt nieuwe last onder dwangsom voor. ACM ziet wel "verbetering in de voorstellen", maar die zijn nog "onvoldoende".

Details en bedrag nieuwe dwangsom volgen laten. pic.twitter.com/dncKOj51H6

-- Nando Kasteleijn (@nandokasteleijn)


ACM says it is apparent from its own research, as well as advice from experts and "consultation with market parties."

While not suitable, the ACM does say it sees "an improvement in the proposals that Apple makes, but they are not yet sufficient to comply with European and Dutch rules." The ACM insists it is still discussing the proposals with Apple.

The ACM is also working on a new set of measures and penalties to encourage Apple to make the changes. Confirming the previous order's escalating fines "did not have the desired result," ACM says it is actively preparing "a new order subject to a penalty."

Details about what Apple has yet to comply with, as well as the new order and penalties, were not provided by ACM, which says it will only make announcements about them when they are published. "That could take several weeks."

It is unclear what size these penalties will be. Previously, Apple had to contend with ten weekly 5 million euro ($5.26 million) fines, but it is unknown how much higher the ACM could go with its penalty structure.

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  • Reply 1 of 9
    KTRKTR Posts: 244member
    A Dutch regulator says Apple's proposal to enable third-party payments for dating apps in the regional App Store isn't sufficient enough to abide by its order, though it admits some improvement was made on the matter.




    Apple has been trying to adhere to an order from the Authority for Consumers and Markets (ACM) to allow dating apps to use third-party payment processors for in-app payments. Following Apple's submission of a fresh proposal in March to try and appease the regulator, it seems that the changes weren't enough in ACM's eyes.

    In a statement from ACM received by journalist Nando Kasteleijn, the ACM concludes the changes Apple made in its late March submission were insufficient. The translated statement says Apple still "uses unreasonable conditions for dating app providers in the Netherlands."

    Update in Apple-zaak van de ACM:

    Toezichthouder bereidt nieuwe last onder dwangsom voor. ACM ziet wel "verbetering in de voorstellen", maar die zijn nog "onvoldoende".

    Details en bedrag nieuwe dwangsom volgen laten. pic.twitter.com/dncKOj51H6

    -- Nando Kasteleijn (@nandokasteleijn)


    ACM says it is apparent from its own research, as well as advice from experts and "consultation with market parties."

    While not suitable, the ACM does say it sees "an improvement in the proposals that Apple makes, but they are not yet sufficient to comply with European and Dutch rules." The ACM insists it is still discussing the proposals with Apple.

    The ACM is also working on a new set of measures and penalties to encourage Apple to make the changes. Confirming the previous order's escalating fines "did not have the desired result," ACM says it is actively preparing "a new order subject to a penalty."

    Details about what Apple has yet to comply with, as well as the new order and penalties, were not provided by ACM, which says it will only make announcements about them when they are published. "That could take several weeks."

    It is unclear what size these penalties will be. Previously, Apple had to contend with ten weekly 5 million euro ($5.26 million) fines, but it is unknown how much higher the ACM could go with its penalty structure.

    Read on AppleInsider
    Apple should close down the Dutch App Store.  
  • Reply 2 of 9
    aderutteraderutter Posts: 534member
    I can’t be the only person who thinks the ACM need to be a lot more explicit about what their “requirements” are and what they consider unreasonable.

    Apple should simply ban dating apps from the app-store for that region imho.
  • Reply 3 of 9
    mystigomystigo Posts: 151member
    This is getting crazy. At some point the fines will be more than Apple makes in the Netherlands. Could they just withdraw from the region entirely? I am beginning to think that court systems give far too much power to individual judges to thwart both commerce and law (witness Texas). Who judges the judges?
  • Reply 4 of 9
    Step 1: deem lack of third party payments as "unreasonable"

    Step 2: after Apple allows third party payments, deem use of an additional binary as "unreasonable"

    Step 3: after Apple eliminates the additional binary, deem something else not currently publicly known as "unreasonable"

    Step 4: to be continued
  • Reply 5 of 9
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 6,339member
    mystigo said:
    This is getting crazy. At some point the fines will be more than Apple makes in the Netherlands. Could they just withdraw from the region entirely? I am beginning to think that court systems give far too much power to individual judges to thwart both commerce and law (witness Texas). Who judges the judges?
    The European Court of Justice. 

    Any treaty related dispute can be escalated and the Dutch authorities will be 'judged'. 
  • Reply 6 of 9
    Cesar Battistini MazieroCesar Battistini Maziero Posts: 267unconfirmed, member
    Its a private company, I still don't understand how that's legal.

    They are forcing Apple to offer a competing service. On a device they make, it's like forcing Spotifys car thing to support Apple Music.
    williamlondon
  • Reply 7 of 9
    22july201322july2013 Posts: 3,061member
    I would understand if Iran or North Korea installed such onerous/ambiguous rules that Apple would pull out of those countries. But the Netherlands? This is going to be fun. As Jobs would say, it's time to go nuclear.
  • Reply 8 of 9
    lkrupplkrupp Posts: 10,041member
    This is about dating apps, right? Just remove all the dating apps, Apple.
  • Reply 9 of 9
    Why don't they just tell Apple what they want then?

    It's like when you're trying to decide what to eat with someone, and they say "Just pick something I'd like"...then reject every suggestion you make.
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