New HomePod model coming as soon as late 2022, according to Ming-Chi Kuo

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  • Reply 41 of 51
    mcdavemcdave Posts: 1,919member
    They succeed by not going for it. Ship a M1 HomePod sound bar with AppleTV functionality and Arcade+
  • Reply 42 of 51
    The original HomePod offered an incredible bang for the buck - when paired. Buying only one was a waste of money, for these purposes you are much better if with a single HomePod mini.

    Two HomePods connected to an Apple support true Dolby Atmos and older surround formats too. The sound of two HomePods for music and home theater is absolutely stunning and gets fairly close to much more expensive setups such as a Sonos Arc + Subwoofer. And then, it’s a true Smart Speaker that is HomeKit integrated, offers Siri, works in conjunction with other HomePod/mini in the house seamlessly. There is no other product that combines all of these functions. 

    Two HomePods where 600 Dollars and this is cheap compared to what you get from the competition. The bass output is so powerful and good in quality I sometimes wonder if someone has hidden a subwoofer in my living room. I am very happy to hear Apple might revive the HomePod because currently, I wouldn’t know with what to replace mine.
    StrangeDays
  • Reply 43 of 51
    StrangeDaysStrangeDays Posts: 12,113member

    After Apple discontinued the full-sized HomePod, speculation has been rampant about Apple reviving the overpriced product. 
    It's very odd when you inject opinion into a straight-news piece. While I can't speak to their market objectives and results, I know that I consider my HPs to be great purchases, and I know many others who feel the same. They provide, big, clear sound and replaced poorer performing AirPlay speakers and sound bars. There's a reason I sold my 5.1 receiver + expensive speakers and adopted these for home theater and music use. It's much cheaper and sounds quite good enough. Apple blogger Gruber has mentioned he's also using multiple sets of full-size HPs around the house, including for TV. The HP minis are fine for casual use but not in the living room.

    I dunno what Apple has to do differently, but I hope they return to this area.
    edited May 23
  • Reply 44 of 51
    StrangeDaysStrangeDays Posts: 12,113member
    dewme said:
    I'd like to see Apple acquire Pandora because I've always enjoyed Pandora's discovery/music-genealogy based model. As much as I hate to say it, Siri on HomePod is rather pathetic. Rather than trying to make Siri on HomePod functionally equivalent to Alexa on Echo, Apple should create a Siri-like persona for HomePod (with a new name) that is a music savant powered by the discovery logic that Pandora possesses. I'd like to be able to say "Hey Tunes, I really liked that last track, can you find me more music like that."
    These features already exist:

    In Music:

    Via Siri:

    Both from Apple’s documentation. But sure, they need to buy Pandora. 🙄
    I actually also prefer Pandora's categorization. Siri's seems to be based off the band/track name, rather than its music/sound attributes. I've gotten recommendations for death metal songs that have in their titles names of the actual genres I like. No joke! For example, I like "trance" music, and I got some Swedish metal w/ "Trance" in its title, but is absolutely not anything I like. Other stuff like this -- an electronic artist I like doing something acoustic w/ a vocalist...I hate the song, but I fear if I Dislike it, it will count against the artist (who I do like) in future recommendations.

    Pandora doesn't have these problems because it's based on the music/sound attributes in each individual song. 
    muthuk_vanalingam
  • Reply 45 of 51
    StrangeDaysStrangeDays Posts: 12,113member
    eightzero said:
    daven said:
    designr said:
    Maybe it will be a HopePod Soundbar (w/integrated Apple TV).

    That would be a good product imho. I use my two HomePods as speakers for one of my TVs. It makes a big improvement.
    Unfortunately this is only possible when using an AppleTV to feed the TV. 
    Indeed, but for many of us safely in the walled garden, that is no problem. I get almost all of my content via ATV, with the exception of occasional local OTA football, where the TV speakers are just fine.
  • Reply 46 of 51
    StrangeDaysStrangeDays Posts: 12,113member
    danox said:
    No wired connections worthless….
    ...to you. I'm 100% wireless and not going back. Plenty of wired speakers you can choose from. 
  • Reply 47 of 51
    StrangeDaysStrangeDays Posts: 12,113member
    spock1234 said:
    eightzero said:
    daven said:
    designr said:
    Maybe it will be a HopePod Soundbar (w/integrated Apple TV).

    That would be a good product imho. I use my two HomePods as speakers for one of my TVs. It makes a big improvement.
    Unfortunately this is only possible when using an AppleTV to feed the TV. 

    Thankfully, that is not true anymore. The 2022 ATV has eARC, which allows any program playing on the TV to output sound through the HomePods connected to the ATV. 
    Oh wow, didn't even realize that. I'll have to see if my TV supports eARC (edit: it does! Just had to switch HDMI ports)
    eightzero said:
    spock1234 said:
    eightzero said:
    daven said:
    designr said:
    Maybe it will be a HopePod Soundbar (w/integrated Apple TV).

    That would be a good product imho. I use my two HomePods as speakers for one of my TVs. It makes a big improvement.
    Unfortunately this is only possible when using an AppleTV to feed the TV. 

    Thankfully, that is not true anymore. The 2022 ATV has eARC, which allows any program playing on the TV to output sound through the HomePods connected to the ATV. 
    Let me rephrase then: Unfortunately only possible when you use an ATV in some backdoor, convoluted configuration that requires a vulcan neck pinch to work. Other than that, it's great. 
    That's not convoluted whatsoever. If you've already hooked up your ATV you have the skills. You just go into the settings and toggle it on:

    https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT207117
    edited May 23 fastasleep
  • Reply 48 of 51
    fastasleepfastasleep Posts: 6,119member
    crowley said:
    dewme said:
    I'd like to see Apple acquire Pandora because I've always enjoyed Pandora's discovery/music-genealogy based model. As much as I hate to say it, Siri on HomePod is rather pathetic. Rather than trying to make Siri on HomePod functionally equivalent to Alexa on Echo, Apple should create a Siri-like persona for HomePod (with a new name) that is a music savant powered by the discovery logic that Pandora possesses. I'd like to be able to say "Hey Tunes, I really liked that last track, can you find me more music like that."
    These features already exist:

    In Music:


    Via Siri:


    Both from Apple’s documentation. But sure, they need to buy Pandora. 🙄
    I just wish they'd bring Genius back.
    What do you mean? It still exists:
    https://support.apple.com/guide/music/use-genius-musbe3694c1b/mac
    StrangeDays
  • Reply 49 of 51
    crowleycrowley Posts: 10,234member
    crowley said:
    dewme said:
    I'd like to see Apple acquire Pandora because I've always enjoyed Pandora's discovery/music-genealogy based model. As much as I hate to say it, Siri on HomePod is rather pathetic. Rather than trying to make Siri on HomePod functionally equivalent to Alexa on Echo, Apple should create a Siri-like persona for HomePod (with a new name) that is a music savant powered by the discovery logic that Pandora possesses. I'd like to be able to say "Hey Tunes, I really liked that last track, can you find me more music like that."
    These features already exist:

    In Music:


    Via Siri:


    Both from Apple’s documentation. But sure, they need to buy Pandora. ߙ䦬t;/div>
    I just wish they'd bring Genius back.
    What do you mean? It still exists:
    https://support.apple.com/guide/music/use-genius-musbe3694c1b/mac
    I stand partially corrected, thanks!  Not for iPhone, which is where I used it most, and where I think it is definitely removed from, but still good news.

    Why Apple defaulted it to off and buried it in an easily overlooked menu item instead of under preferences is beyond me, but nevertheless you've made this grumpy sod a whole lot happier today.
    edited May 23 fastasleep
  • Reply 50 of 51
    StrangeDaysStrangeDays Posts: 12,113member
    crowley said:
    dewme said:
    I'd like to see Apple acquire Pandora because I've always enjoyed Pandora's discovery/music-genealogy based model. As much as I hate to say it, Siri on HomePod is rather pathetic. Rather than trying to make Siri on HomePod functionally equivalent to Alexa on Echo, Apple should create a Siri-like persona for HomePod (with a new name) that is a music savant powered by the discovery logic that Pandora possesses. I'd like to be able to say "Hey Tunes, I really liked that last track, can you find me more music like that."
    These features already exist:

    In Music:


    Via Siri:


    Both from Apple’s documentation. But sure, they need to buy Pandora. 🙄
    I just wish they'd bring Genius back.
    What do you mean? It still exists:
    https://support.apple.com/guide/music/use-genius-musbe3694c1b/mac
    Ah thanks - I forgot about this too!

    Seems you can produce new Genius playlists on the Mac app, and play them back on iOS. 

    But on iOS, I don't see how to create a new Genius playlist. It seems like the equivalent is creation a Station?

  • Reply 51 of 51
    fastasleepfastasleep Posts: 6,119member
    crowley said:
    dewme said:
    I'd like to see Apple acquire Pandora because I've always enjoyed Pandora's discovery/music-genealogy based model. As much as I hate to say it, Siri on HomePod is rather pathetic. Rather than trying to make Siri on HomePod functionally equivalent to Alexa on Echo, Apple should create a Siri-like persona for HomePod (with a new name) that is a music savant powered by the discovery logic that Pandora possesses. I'd like to be able to say "Hey Tunes, I really liked that last track, can you find me more music like that."
    These features already exist:

    In Music:


    Via Siri:


    Both from Apple’s documentation. But sure, they need to buy Pandora. 🙄
    I just wish they'd bring Genius back.
    What do you mean? It still exists:
    https://support.apple.com/guide/music/use-genius-musbe3694c1b/mac
    Ah thanks - I forgot about this too!

    Seems you can produce new Genius playlists on the Mac app, and play them back on iOS. 

    But on iOS, I don't see how to create a new Genius playlist. It seems like the equivalent is creation a Station?

    I honestly don’t know. There may be a difference behind the scenes between Genius and Autoplay, but I haven’t used Genius in forever and use Autoplay all the time … which I think is same or similar to a Station? Not really sure. :)
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