Amazon buying iRobot in a $1.7 billion all-cash deal

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  • Reply 21 of 32
    designrdesignr Posts: 740member
    DAalseth said:
    designr said:
    DAalseth said:
    But I don’t do business with Amazon.
    Why not?
    First I don’t like what they have done to the publishing industry, or other brick and mortar retail.
    Second though was when I found out that for years returns were just dumped in the landfill. They made no pretence of sorting, restocking, and reselling stuff that had gone out and had been returned. It was cheaper for them to just dump it. Bad for the environment, but it was cheaper.
    Then there’s how they treat their employees.
    The final straw though was over a couple of years I had six purchases in a row of equipment. Drives, USB hubs, a few other things. I discovered that it was often impossible to tell what was a real product and what was a Chinese rip off version sold by some “partner”. After the last piece of absolute junk that came with a fake brand name label on it I just walked away. There is nothing from Amazon that I need that bad. 
    Thanks for sharing.

    Alex_Vwatto_cobra
  • Reply 22 of 32
    9secondkox29secondkox2 Posts: 1,395member
    viclauyyc said:
    Let’s hope there is no built-in microphone in the vacuum. Now even  your vacuum will spy on you.  
    Nowadays EVERYONE finds a way to invade your home or vehicle in order to spy on you - all in the name of convenience under the guise of a good thing. 

    I guess most never learned from the history of the Trojan horse. 
    williamlondoncentaurwatto_cobra
  • Reply 23 of 32
    chadbagchadbag Posts: 1,743member
    DAalseth said:
    designr said:
    DAalseth said:
    But I don’t do business with Amazon.
    Why not?
    First I don’t like what they have done to the publishing industry, or other brick and mortar retail.
    Second though was when I found out that for years returns were just dumped in the landfill. They made no pretence of sorting, restocking, and reselling stuff that had gone out and had been returned. It was cheaper for them to just dump it. Bad for the environment, but it was cheaper.
    Then there’s how they treat their employees.
    The final straw though was over a couple of years I had six purchases in a row of equipment. Drives, USB hubs, a few other things. I discovered that it was often impossible to tell what was a real product and what was a Chinese rip off version sold by some “partner”. After the last piece of absolute junk that came with a fake brand name label on it I just walked away. There is nothing from Amazon that I need that bad. 
    While I don’t doubt that some return stuff gets dumped, a lot of it doesn’t.  They have their factory warehouse store that resells returns.  I’ve bought a bunch of stuff from them.  They also sell sealed  pallets of returns to people who then sort and resell the stuff themselves.  I know a guy who buys the pallets as a business.  Plus a lot of what is sold on Amazon is sold by other sellers and just the logistics and back office is handled by Amazon. Amazon can’t just go and dump stuff that doesn’t belong to them.  

    They’ve also gotten a lot better at keeping fake stuff off.  Not perfect but it is a lot harder to sell fake stuff represented as real on Amazon now compared to in the past.  

    Not saying you should do business with Amazon.  That is your call.  Just calling out their current practices as they appear to me through my interactions. 

    I buy stuff from Amazon but don’t buy any of the Amazon branded tech.  No Alexa, Ring, or anything. Especially anything connected.  And now no Roomba.  Just like when Google bought Nest I sold my Nest thermostat and eventually ended up with Ecobee (with Honeywell in between).  
    Alex_Vchasmwatto_cobra
  • Reply 24 of 32
    radarthekatradarthekat Posts: 3,526moderator
    So… now Amazon gets maps of your home interiors? 

    Weird. 

    With Alexa built in, new iRobot products will be quite the Trojan horse. 
    Project Rosey.  Amazon will next buy the rights to the Jetsons cartoon series for use in their advertising.  


    9secondkox2watto_cobra
  • Reply 25 of 32
    I hope this doesn’t mean that the shortcuts Roomba finally developed to operate iRobot via Siri will no longer work.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 26 of 32
    MacProMacPro Posts: 19,500member
    I am less concerned about Amazon than Google in situations like this.
    williamlondon
  • Reply 27 of 32
    dewmedewme Posts: 4,405member
    mike1 said:
    And how is this related to Apple news?

    Probably confirms there will never be any HomeKit support for Roomba vacuums. Just like with Ring.
    Not necessarily. Amazon has joined the Matter and Thread working groups. This means there is a much stronger probability that devices under Amazon's purview, including Ring branded products, Echo devices, and newly acquired home automation devices, will eventually adhere to a common interoperability model that Apple also supports with HomeKit.

    The probability of interoperability is greatly enhanced when all parties follow an open interoperability standard rather than trying to define their own proprietary standard and trying to get others to join in via licensing arrangements. The transition won't be bumpless because some older devices may be obsoleted or require gateways to be carried forward. Some protocols (like Z-Wave) will likely continue to support "islands of devices" bound to their current protocols with gateways/bridges to interoperate with Matter/Thread infrastructure.

    Ultimately the long term benefits of the open standards should result in greater interoperability and more product choices for more end users. Amazon will most certainly want to take advantage of an expanding market for home automation devices because they will take a cut of all of the sales that occur through their global storefront, not to mention the cloud services that will continue to expand around the use of these devices.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 28 of 32
    thrangthrang Posts: 936member
    How unique/large/coveted is the Roomba user base or brand?

    $1.7BN?

    Clearly you should be able to develop an equal or superior product for a small fraction of that.

    I suppose Amazon does not have the engineering or product design skill sets to do so.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 29 of 32
    mpantonempantone Posts: 1,903member
    And how is this related to Apple news?
    The two companies are competitors in the smart home and digital assistant markets along with Google. 

    There’s a lot of overlap and synergies in these categories: streaming music and video, gaming, personal fitness, etc. and likely more interconnections in the future.

    If you hop on an exercise bike or treadmill that might trigger a robotic vacuum to do a quick lap since the smart home hub knows that you aren’t walking around for a while.

    Stuff like that.
    centaurchasmwatto_cobra
  • Reply 30 of 32
    danoxdanox Posts: 1,187member
    thrang said:
    How unique/large/coveted is the Roomba user base or brand?

    $1.7BN?

    Clearly you should be able to develop an equal or superior product for a small fraction of that.

    I suppose Amazon does not have the engineering or product design skill sets to do so.
    They don’t they are as bad in hardware as Google is, unless you think cheap is the thing.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 31 of 32
    Maybe Amazon can whip what I consider to be one of the worst companies with the most unrelible products and a tech support department that hasn't the slightest clue as to how to deal with Roomba or M6 Mop issues! I just purchased an Ecovacs Deebot M1 and I'm astounded by the amount of dirt it's mopped up over the last 3 weeks that iRobot's M6 mop didn't get. I'd seriosly like to see iRobot go out of business for all of their deceptive practices, but my hope for anyone who would deem to purchase one of their products might just get the support by Amazon standards rather than iRobot's.

    P.S., My Ecovacs is one of the best products I've purchased in a very long time!
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 32 of 32
    chasmchasm Posts: 2,535member
    MacPro said:
    I am less concerned about Amazon than Google in situations like this.
    You should actually be more concerned with Amazon. Google can’t even spell the word “privacy,” but their security is top notch. Amazon has no concept of privacy, and security is at best an afterthought once they get caught.
    watto_cobra
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