Apple doesn’t really seem to know what to do with the iPad other than make it faster and brighter. It would be great if some software companies stepped in and started releasing full versions of their software for it built around the Magic Keyboard. I use my iPad to call back to my computers (with Screens app) and on a fast connection it is almost like working in front of them. This experience would be great in an iPad form factor. Apple also needs a proper desktop for iPad and more RAM. I can have a lot of historical data in a browser and when I leave and come back it force refreshes and pulls up the current data.
iPadOS 16 is basically the first iPad operating release where PC type experiences are possible. With Stage Manager, the page file is turned on. This should curtail the amount of background apps and web browser tabs being killed. It is very important for Apple and 3rd party developers to actually update their apps to support Stage Manager, and it's just going to take time for them to do that, and for apps that aren't updated to be replaced with apps that do support the features.
As for building around the Magic Keyboard, absolutely not. People should be able to do everything though the touchscreen. If they want to use an external keyboard and pointing device, great, they should be supported, but a user should be able to do everything through touch.
Apple doesn’t really seem to know what to do with the iPad other than make it faster and brighter. It would be great if some software companies stepped in and started releasing full versions of their software for it built around the Magic Keyboard. I use my iPad to call back to my computers (with Screens app) and on a fast connection it is almost like working in front of them. This experience would be great in an iPad form factor. Apple also needs a proper desktop for iPad and more RAM. I can have a lot of historical data in a browser and when I leave and come back it force refreshes and pulls up the current data.
iPadOS 16 is basically the first iPad operating release where PC type experiences are possible. With Stage Manager, the page file is turned on. This should curtail the amount of background apps and web browser tabs being killed. It is very important for Apple and 3rd party developers to actually update their apps to support Stage Manager, and it's just going to take time for them to do that, and for apps that aren't updated to be replaced with apps that do support the features.
As for building around the Magic Keyboard, absolutely not. People should be able to do everything though the touchscreen. If they want to use an external keyboard and pointing device, great, they should be supported, but a user should be able to do everything through touch.
If you don’t want to use full featured software optimized for Magic Keyboard on an iPad then don’t use it if it is made available by say Adobe. Just because YOU don’t want something doesn’t mean that others could not benefit. Lucky for you the shortsighted view currently prevails. Stage manager is also a very far cry from a proper desktop experience even if optimized and at least during the beta, a bit of a bust.
“ Combined, this provides a 2x optical zoom out and a 5x digital zoom in.”
FFS. I wish these technology writers would learn what “ZOOM” means. There is currently NO SUCH THING as optical zoom on any Apple device. It’s a fixed ultra wide and a fixed wide camera in the iPad Pro (with a 3x TELEPHOTO on iPhone 14 Pro).
A ZOOM would be ONE lens structure that has a range, from ultra wide to wide, with the entire range in between optically produced by realigning the individual lenses within the structure. As it is now, everything between ultra wide and wide (and telephoto) is DIGITALLY produced.
if Apple finally implements a periscope lens, that would change, but for now, these writers should know what they’re talking about.
Apple doesn’t really seem to know what to do with the iPad other than make it faster and brighter. It would be great if some software companies stepped in and started releasing full versions of their software for it built around the Magic Keyboard. I use my iPad to call back to my computers (with Screens app) and on a fast connection it is almost like working in front of them. This experience would be great in an iPad form factor. Apple also needs a proper desktop for iPad and more RAM. I can have a lot of historical data in a browser and when I leave and come back it force refreshes and pulls up the current data.
iPadOS 16 is basically the first iPad operating release where PC type experiences are possible. With Stage Manager, the page file is turned on. This should curtail the amount of background apps and web browser tabs being killed. It is very important for Apple and 3rd party developers to actually update their apps to support Stage Manager, and it's just going to take time for them to do that, and for apps that aren't updated to be replaced with apps that do support the features.
As for building around the Magic Keyboard, absolutely not. People should be able to do everything though the touchscreen. If they want to use an external keyboard and pointing device, great, they should be supported, but a user should be able to do everything through touch.
If you don’t want to use full featured software optimized for Magic Keyboard on an iPad then don’t use it if it is made available by say Adobe. Just because YOU don’t want something doesn’t mean that others could not benefit. Lucky for you the shortsighted view currently prevails. Stage manager is also a very far cry from a proper desktop experience even if optimized and at least during the beta, a bit of a bust.
Yes, I have my opinions of how that iPad should be designed just as you do. I don't mean to say an external keyboard can't be used. It should be. However, it shouldn't come at the cost not being able to use those same features with the touch UI.
Thanks for this. I had already mostly decided to go with last year's model, since the additional power won't do much of anything at all for me, and this solidified that decision. I'll probably spring for the larger one, assuming I can find a decent price.
What's stupid about it? So, you think it would have been better for Apple to keep the iPad Pro stagnant with the M1 chip and skip this release entirely? Hint: This release isn't for existing M1 iPad Pro users.
What's stupid about it? So, you think it would have been better for Apple to keep the iPad Pro stagnant with the M1 chip and skip this release entirely? Hint: This release isn't for existing M1 iPad Pro users.
Yup. Releasing incremental updates demonstrates commitment to the platform to consumers. This is exactly what some people are begging Apple to do. Update their devices with regularity and demonstrate commitment. They still don't do it well enough.
Was there any reason not to update the iMac 24 and Mac mini to the M2 or M1 Pro over the past 6 months? An iMac 24 and Mac mini with an M1 Pro would make for a very very very good machine. They really should have updated the Mac Pro to the Ice Lake Xeons last year. Instead, the pro desktop workstation is suffering the same fate as the 2013 Mac Pro and 2017 iMac Pro where they didn't update it. It's like the runt of the litter among Macs. They only will do something with it when significant customers and partners tell them they will abandon Macs if thry don't do something.
I think there is only a couple of reasons for getting the M1 iPP over the M2 iPP. One, the ownership cycle is only 2 to 3 years, so, buying older hardware is ok as you are changing hardware often. Two, you are budget limited, though I don't find this reason satisfying. Not counting gifts or buying for teens. If you are keeping the device for 4 to 5 years, get the newest model.
Yup. Releasing incremental updates demonstrates commitment to the platform to consumers. This is exactly what some people are begging Apple to do. Update their devices with regularity and demonstrate commitment. They still don't do it well enough.
Exactly. We're all begging Apple to just give us spec bump upgrades on a regular basis for their entire product line. When Apple does just that, we have people complaining about it. Why? It doesn't make sense. I have an M1 iPad Pro. Prior to that it had been about 2.5 years since the last meaningful spec bump (A12z doesn't really count as an upgrade). This M2 iPad Pro probably isn't for me, but if they come out with an M3 iPad Pro next year at this time, I'm in.
Also, yes, to your point, I don't get why the iMac, Mac mini, etc. haven't been upgraded yet. For that matter, I'm not sure why the Apple Silicon Mac Pro isn't out yet. I thought the transition was supposed to be 2 years... lol. There shouldn't be anything Intel based in their lineup at this point.
For the life of me, I can't understand what's the difference? Just the chip?
That's the primary difference. It isn't a singular "chip" though. The M2 is a package consisting of the SoC chip and 2 packages of LPDDR5 DRAM memory. It's basically the engine of the computer, and they are new.
And they’ll sell like there’s no tomorrow as the iPad continues to completely dominate the tablet market. There is simply no competition to the iPad. How does it make you feel to be completely ignored.
What kind of a dumb comment is this? Why is this a matter of being ‘ignored’ or not? What’s your problem?
iPad is not like iPhone. No one upgrade every new model released. M2 will be great upgrade from previous 2 generations ago model.
I think Apple should stop upgrade at this point for iPad pro model for at least 2 years. Next year Apple should update storage bump only for same price. When M4 release for Mac then iPad should update with M3 to keep cost down.
So Apple can marketing between Mac and iPad with some CPU bump.
For the life of me, I can't understand what's the difference? Just the chip?
That's the primary difference. It isn't a singular "chip" though. The M2 is a package consisting of the SoC chip and 2 packages of LPDDR5 DRAM memory. It's basically the engine of the computer, and they are new.
Yeah, they're new. And I'm sure they're faster in benchmark testing.
But who cares? I want to know what it will DO for me that an M1 iPaD Pro won't. And there's no answer to that forthcoming from you or Apple Insider.
Well, this wasn’t the question you were asking in the post I replied to.
The M2 is about 10% to 15% faster in CPU, 35% faster in GPU and about 40% faster in machine learning, than the M1. Currently unknown is if the storage performance is faster.
UI animations are driven by the GPU, so animation frame rates will maintain 120 Hz better, games will have higher frame rates will be faster. App startup times are driven by the CPU some and they will be a little faster. Safari rendering will be about 10% faster. In general, all of your apps will be about 5 to 10% faster. Multitasking should be a little smoother. Frame rates on heavy games will be faster.
The standard year over year improvement for a system of the same tier of performance.
For the life of me, I can't understand what's the difference? Just the chip?
That's the primary difference. It isn't a singular "chip" though. The M2 is a package consisting of the SoC chip and 2 packages of LPDDR5 DRAM memory. It's basically the engine of the computer, and they are new.
Yeah, they're new. And I'm sure they're faster in benchmark testing.
But who cares? I want to know what it will DO for me that an M1 iPaD Pro won't. And there's no answer to that forthcoming from you or Apple Insider.
Well, this wasn’t the question you were asking in the post I replied to.
The M2 is about 10% to 15% faster in CPU, 35% faster in GPU and about 40% faster in machine learning, than the M1. Currently unknown is if the storage performance is faster.
UI animations are driven by the GPU, so animation frame rates will maintain 120 Hz better, games will have higher frame rates will be faster. App startup times are driven by the CPU some and they will be a little faster. Safari rendering will be about 10% faster. In general, all of your apps will be about 5 to 10% faster. Multitasking should be a little smoother. Frame rates on heavy games will be faster.
The standard year over year improvement for a system of the same tier of performance.
So why should I pay for faster benchmarks, if they have no utility for me?
Ultimately, the faster performance pays off in terms of quality of experience and longevity of the device. Everything that is not gated by your Internet connection will be faster by 10 to 40% depending on the task that you are doing. I have a Python script that I run on my iPad. If it takes 2.2 seconds versus 2.4 seconds, I'd take it. If you have something that you repeatedly run over and over and over, that 10% reduction in time builds up and it is worth it.
If you don't think it is worth it for you, most definitely don't get the M2 iPad Pro. The M1 iPad Pro 12.9 can probably be had for $900 with holiday sales. If you are in the market for an 11" model, definitely consider an M1 iPad Air. Probably can get it for $500.
Me? I'm in the market for a M2 iPP12.9 2TB with cellular to replace my iPP10.5. $200 to $300 savings for an M1 model isn't worth it to me considering that I'll be using it for 5 years or so. The additional performance really pays off in the later years of ownership.
Apple doesn’t really seem to know what to do with the iPad other than make it faster and brighter. It would be great if some software companies stepped in and started releasing full versions of their software for it built around the Magic Keyboard. I use my iPad to call back to my computers (with Screens app) and on a fast connection it is almost like working in front of them. This experience would be great in an iPad form factor. Apple also needs a proper desktop for iPad and more RAM. I can have a lot of historical data in a browser and when I leave and come back it force refreshes and pulls up the current data.
iPadOS 16 is basically the first iPad operating release where PC type experiences are possible. With Stage Manager, the page file is turned on. This should curtail the amount of background apps and web browser tabs being killed. It is very important for Apple and 3rd party developers to actually update their apps to support Stage Manager, and it's just going to take time for them to do that, and for apps that aren't updated to be replaced with apps that do support the features.
As for building around the Magic Keyboard, absolutely not. People should be able to do everything though the touchscreen. If they want to use an external keyboard and pointing device, great, they should be supported, but a user should be able to do everything through touch.
I was hoping for your statement to be true. But unfortunately for me I haven’t been more productive because of stage manager. In fact, there are inconsistencies and usability issues throughout that make multitasking unpleasant on iPad.
Two coworkers of mine seem to have the same issues so far and rather turn it off. I am wondering what the overall consensus is.
Personally I like stage manager more on macOS.
I have the non-M1 model so unfortunately the “scale down to show more content” option is not there, which I guess is an artificial limitation rather than a true hardware limitation (unlike external monitor support). I think this feature is really needed to enjoy multiple apps on a single screen.
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As for building around the Magic Keyboard, absolutely not. People should be able to do everything though the touchscreen. If they want to use an external keyboard and pointing device, great, they should be supported, but a user should be able to do everything through touch.
FFS. I wish these technology writers would learn what “ZOOM” means. There is currently NO SUCH THING as optical zoom on any Apple device. It’s a fixed ultra wide and a fixed wide camera in the iPad Pro (with a 3x TELEPHOTO on iPhone 14 Pro).
A ZOOM would be ONE lens structure that has a range, from ultra wide to wide, with the entire range in between optically produced by realigning the individual lenses within the structure. As it is now, everything between ultra wide and wide (and telephoto) is DIGITALLY produced.
if Apple finally implements a periscope lens, that would change, but for now, these writers should know what they’re talking about.
Was there any reason not to update the iMac 24 and Mac mini to the M2 or M1 Pro over the past 6 months? An iMac 24 and Mac mini with an M1 Pro would make for a very very very good machine. They really should have updated the Mac Pro to the Ice Lake Xeons last year. Instead, the pro desktop workstation is suffering the same fate as the 2013 Mac Pro and 2017 iMac Pro where they didn't update it. It's like the runt of the litter among Macs. They only will do something with it when significant customers and partners tell them they will abandon Macs if thry don't do something.
I think there is only a couple of reasons for getting the M1 iPP over the M2 iPP. One, the ownership cycle is only 2 to 3 years, so, buying older hardware is ok as you are changing hardware often. Two, you are budget limited, though I don't find this reason satisfying. Not counting gifts or buying for teens. If you are keeping the device for 4 to 5 years, get the newest model.
Also, yes, to your point, I don't get why the iMac, Mac mini, etc. haven't been upgraded yet. For that matter, I'm not sure why the Apple Silicon Mac Pro isn't out yet. I thought the transition was supposed to be 2 years... lol. There shouldn't be anything Intel based in their lineup at this point.
M2 will be great upgrade from previous 2 generations ago model.
I think Apple should stop upgrade at this point for iPad pro model for at least 2 years.
Next year Apple should update storage bump only for same price.
When M4 release for Mac then iPad should update with M3 to keep cost down.
So Apple can marketing between Mac and iPad with some CPU bump.
If you don't think it is worth it for you, most definitely don't get the M2 iPad Pro. The M1 iPad Pro 12.9 can probably be had for $900 with holiday sales. If you are in the market for an 11" model, definitely consider an M1 iPad Air. Probably can get it for $500.
Me? I'm in the market for a M2 iPP12.9 2TB with cellular to replace my iPP10.5. $200 to $300 savings for an M1 model isn't worth it to me considering that I'll be using it for 5 years or so. The additional performance really pays off in the later years of ownership.
I have the non-M1 model so unfortunately the “scale down to show more content” option is not there, which I guess is an artificial limitation rather than a true hardware limitation (unlike external monitor support). I think this feature is really needed to enjoy multiple apps on a single screen.
100% agreed on your Magic Keyboard note.