Foxconn reportedly downplayed severity of recent COVID outbreak

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  • Reply 21 of 29
  • Reply 22 of 29
    tmaytmay Posts: 5,824member
    JP234 said:
    entropys said:
    And yet according to worldometer, China with 1.5 billion people has one third the cases and one third the deaths with Covid of little old Australia with 25 million, where 95% of the population is vaccinated.

    You can’t believe any story out of China. Always ask what the real story might be.
    Have you considered the reason China has fewer deaths from COVID than Australia is because they're a totalitarian society who can and does control the movements of its citizens? It was the lockdowns that prevented more deaths, despite a lower vaccination rate than Australia, which as a free democracy cannot control its citizens movements to that same level, resulting in more infections and deaths as foolish citizens defy their medical communities' advice. Witness the same problem with another country, which has the highest number of COVID deaths in the world, for the same reason: The United States of America. COVID has wiped out one out of every 330 citizens in this country, and counting, at the rate of 250/day.
    It is certainly true that the West did in fact have significant deaths from COVID, but there also were significant numbers of people that received effective mRNA vaccines that reduced the risk of death by a factor of 100. While the epidemic is not "over" by any stretch, it has become manageable. Most of the lockdown strategy in the West was targeted at reducing hospitalization.

    Meanwhile, China is not willing, or able to, exit the COVID lockdown strategy, because they know that once that happens, there is no way that they will be able to control the epidemic that will occur. These lockdowns won't end until Xi can come up with a workable alternative.

    Good luck with that, but in the meantime, China is clearly telling the world to look elsewhere for its supply chain.
    edited November 2022 elijahg
  • Reply 23 of 29
    tmaytmay Posts: 5,824member
    And the US chart.


    Kind of important to note that we are back to a very modest case fatality rate, and no lockdowns, so it appears that the worst is over. How is that going to work out for China if they can never exit lockdowns? 
    elijahgFileMakerFeller
  • Reply 24 of 29
    sdw2001sdw2001 Posts: 17,926member
    People still think this is about a virus.  “Severity” of the outbreak “could have been controlled.”   Let’s stop there, because it’s all nonsense.  Covid can’t be controlled.  It’s endemic and highly transmissible.  It’s also mutated to be the equivalent of a bad cold.  

    China is quarantining and going full 1984 Dystopia because Covid is just the excuse to do so.  They are rounding up people over Covid and taking them to camps.  They have constant surveillance testing.  They lock down cities of millions because of a handful of cases.   They have a social credit system that makes that episode of Black Mirror look like a picnic.  Xi just had the former president purged on camera.  They will soon move on Taiwan.  

    So no.  It’s not about a virus.  It’s about the CCP.  
    tmaywilliamlondon
  • Reply 25 of 29
    tmaytmay Posts: 5,824member
    sdw2001 said:
    People still think this is about a virus.  “Severity” of the outbreak “could have been controlled.”   Let’s stop there, because it’s all nonsense.  Covid can’t be controlled.  It’s endemic and highly transmissible.  It’s also mutated to be the equivalent of a bad cold.  

    China is quarantining and going full 1984 Dystopia because Covid is just the excuse to do so.  They are rounding up people over Covid and taking them to camps.  They have constant surveillance testing.  They lock down cities of millions because of a handful of cases.   They have a social credit system that makes that episode of Black Mirror look like a picnic.  Xi just had the former president purged on camera.  They will soon move on Taiwan.  

    So no.  It’s not about a virus.  It’s about the CCP.  
    Absolutely

    https://twitter.com/EngelsbergIdeas/status/1589940162229899266
  • Reply 26 of 29
    JP234JP234 Posts: 753member
    JP234 said:
    JP234 said:
    entropys said:
    And yet according to worldometer, China with 1.5 billion people has one third the cases and one third the deaths with Covid of little old Australia with 25 million, where 95% of the population is vaccinated.

    You can’t believe any story out of China. Always ask what the real story might be.
    Have you considered the reason China has fewer deaths from COVID than Australia is because they're a totalitarian society who can and does control the movements of its citizens? It was the lockdowns that prevented more deaths, despite a lower vaccination rate than Australia, which as a free democracy cannot control its citizens movements to that same level, resulting in more infections and deaths as foolish citizens defy their medical communities' advice. Witness the same problem with another country, which has the highest number of COVID deaths in the world, for the same reason: The United States of America. COVID has wiped out one out of every 330 citizens in this country, and counting, at the rate of 250/day.
    I already stated in post 3. Australia had tried locked before. So your assumption that free democracy will not do lockdown is false. 
    Well, you're not responding to what I wrote, which was that totalitarian China can and does enact and enforce lockdowns.
    As for Australia and the USA, sure, they TRIED lockdowns, but both were unable to enforce them. It's fun to see what happened in the south after the 2020 Mardi Gras. Even more so, look at the COVID heat maps after the 2020 and 2021 Sturgis rallies, where the entire north midwest was engulfed in COVID deaths over the next two months. And every media outlet was showing crowds of bikers stuffing bars, ignoring masks and distancing RECOMMENDAITONS, not orders as in China. Several were heard saying things like "[email protected]#$ COVID" or "[email protected]#$ the mask." Many are dead now.

    So, it's China's ability to ENFORCE their restrictions that led to fewer deaths there. And more here. 1 of every 300 of us.
    You failed to get the facts right. You cannot equate US with Australia. US was never able to enact lockdowns. Australia was able to enforce lockdowns city by city. Then out of economic reason and to cooperate with US five eyes coalition, Australia gave up lockdown policy. Take a look of its daily cases history.


    Your chart proves exactly what I wrote. Thanks.
    williamlondon
  • Reply 27 of 29
    Madbum said:
    It’s also not wrong to call Covid a cold.

    I have had covid 2 times  and I had colds much worse

    chinese communist government needs to calm the f down with this Covid cold before losing all the foreign companies and destroy its entire economy 
    It is deadly if you transmit the virus to seniors and people with underlying conditions. Many people are careless and selfish. Calling Chinese government communist is making a health issue political. 
    Isn't it already obvious the post you replied to is full of misinformation and bias?  It really didn't deserve a response.  The Mad person clearly only focuses on him/herself.
    elijahg
  • Reply 28 of 29
    danoxdanox Posts: 1,491member
    Madbum said:
    danox said:
    Apple is Doomed again…..
    Why because some workers got a cold but it’s being treated like some plague?
    It is if you are old…..
    elijahg
  • Reply 29 of 29
    danox said:
    Madbum said:
    danox said:
    Apple is Doomed again…..
    Why because some workers got a cold but it’s being treated like some plague?
    It is if you are old…..
    Younger people died also.  People with no underlying health issues dies.  While most people survived (and many I know were very miserable for weeks) and a lot have long-term COVID (is there a long-term COLD?) the Mad guy shouldn't be comparing COVID to a cold.  
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