Anti-union talks continue at Apple Store in Reston, VA

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Anti-union messages are being promoted during daily meetings at the Apple Reston store in Virginia, in what seems to be a bid to try and prevent further unionization from taking place.

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As Apple Store employees continue discussing the possibility of unionizing, and with a few stores unionizing or taking steps in that direction, Apple is keen to fend off other efforts to do the same. In one case, this seemingly includes attempts to dissuade workers from unionizing in the daily download meetings.

In emails sent from an employee to AppleInsider, Apple is said to have used the mandatory daily download from Saturday morning to promote the idea that unions aren't the way forward. The meeting was required and for any employees clocked in at the time it occurred.

The talk was described as "shaming" store workers for talking about unions in the first place. "If you are having secret talks about things, it's probably not a good thing to be doing," store management allegedly told workers.

There was also a discussion on how collective bargaining made it tougher for workers to get benefits, and warned that promotions would become seniority-based rather than performance or merit-based. One supposed analogy claimed "It's like trying to get dinner with a group of 30 people. It's hard to make a decision and nothing gets done."

The store leader is also said to have declared "it's legal for union reps to like to you about what unions can do to get you to join."

It is also claimed workers were told they could be forced to join the union even if they voted against it, which is false for states like Virginia. There are allegations that staff are also warned that talk about some laws are apparently lies to trick workers into joining the union.

This would not be the first time that Apple went after unionization attempts at the Apple Reston store. In August, Apple Market Leaders visited the outlet and used the closure of Starbucks stores that had recently unionized as negative examples.

Elsewhere in the empire, Apple had previously circulated anti-union talking points to store managers in May, while in April, it hired lawyers known for busting unions.

Read on AppleInsider

Comments

  • Reply 1 of 20
    red oakred oak Posts: 1,088member
    “Shaming” workers for pointing out the negatives of unionization?    What snowflakes.   Go find another retail job that pays $25/hr plus benefits 
    bloggerblogradarthekat9secondkox2watto_cobra
  • Reply 2 of 20
    lkrupplkrupp Posts: 10,557member
    So Apple is not allowed to tell its employees about the disadvantages of unionizing? Apple must remain completely silent on the subject while unionizers continue their propaganda campaign? Is that how this works?
    bloggerblogMadbum9secondkox2watto_cobradewme
  • Reply 3 of 20
    Maybe Apple can start placing anti-union ads in the App store.
    blastdoorJapheyrobin huber
  • Reply 4 of 20
    lkrupp said:
    So Apple is not allowed to tell its employees about the disadvantages of unionizing? Apple must remain completely silent on the subject while unionizers continue their propaganda campaign? Is that how this works?
    It should be allowed as long as they don’t run afoul of these rules:

    https://www.nlrb.gov/about-nlrb/rights-we-protect/the-law/interfering-with-employee-rights-section-7-8a1
    muthuk_vanalingam9secondkox2ronnwatto_cobraFileMakerFeller
  • Reply 5 of 20
    Apple is probably pushing the boundaries of what is permissible and it’s all being reported online. Unions are not wholly altruistic either. But their antics don’t get reported to the same degree. 
    There are advantages and disadvantages to unions. And yes, seniority is the primary currency of unions. 
    bloggerblogwatto_cobra
  • Reply 6 of 20
    If Pro Union people can talk about the benefits of Unions, Employers can talk about why a union is not good.

    let the employees decide. Why are Peo union types afraid of any anti union talk if they think their idea is so great?
    radarthekatwatto_cobra
  • Reply 7 of 20
    Apple should create a deep fake video of Nancy Reagan saying “just say ‘no’ to unions” — that should persuade these hippies to get in line.
    robin huber9secondkox2
  • Reply 8 of 20
    MadbumMadbum Posts: 536member
    lkrupp said:
    So Apple is not allowed to tell its employees about the disadvantages of unionizing? Apple must remain completely silent on the subject while unionizers continue their propaganda campaign? Is that how this works?
    Yes that is how it would work in Russia or China. One side rules all.
    9secondkox2watto_cobra
  • Reply 9 of 20
    MadbumMadbum Posts: 536member
    Apple is probably pushing the boundaries of what is permissible and it’s all being reported online. Unions are not wholly altruistic either. But their antics don’t get reported to the same degree. 
    There are advantages and disadvantages to unions. And yes, seniority is the primary currency of unions. 
    Apple is laying out the facts, nothing more. My son works at one of these stores part time as college student.

    the union side is actually pretty bad in terms of strong arming people to go with them, so much 2 of my sons friends quit.
    radarthekat9secondkox2watto_cobra
  • Reply 10 of 20
    nubusnubus Posts: 380member
    Why should Apple have any say about this? Apple Store US employees get 18 weeks paid maternity leave while their unionized colleagues in Northern Europe receice +40 weeks with full pay. US employees get 15 paid days off. Their Apple colleagues in Europe get 30. No wonder the US employees want to coordinate. Apple HR should stop behaving like Amazon.
    robin huberronnFileMakerFeller
  • Reply 11 of 20
    Take your own advice, Apple. Think Different. 
    9secondkox2
  • Reply 12 of 20
    Good for Apple.

    The only union talk that should be happening is anti-union talk.

    Apple heard the collective dissatisfaction and upped the game tremendously, offering MUCH higher wages and benefits.

    The. only people benefitting from the union - is those running the union.

    What people. don't realize is that companies learn to adapt to these mob tactics.  They will keep you until you are supposed to get a raise and then lay you off while hiring a noob from a job fair. Things like that. Unions are just criminal and bullying-style tactics with a lot of jank going as part of the "negotiations." 

    Please keep these crap unions away from Apple. 

    Next thing you know, you can't get in the Apple store during the holidays because the union employees decided they are worth $30/hour and are on strike.

    It happens to auto workers and telecoms. No thanks. 

    Work an honest job, get paid and honest wage. Don't. game the system and ruin it for everyone. 
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 13 of 20
    blastdoor said:
    Apple should create a deep fake video of Nancy Reagan saying “just say ‘no’ to unions” — that should persuade these hippies to get in line.
    Nice play on "just say no to drugs." 

    The only problem with that is the people that would listen to a Reagan aren't the people pushing for unions to begin with. Especially since her husband Ronald Reagan. purposely hired anti-union people, having an insider take on unions, being a former union leader.

    Maybe a Michelle Obama deepfake would be more effective. 
    edited November 2022 watto_cobra
  • Reply 14 of 20
    MadbumMadbum Posts: 536member
    Good for Apple.

    The only union talk that should be happening is anti-union talk.

    Apple heard the collective dissatisfaction and upped the game tremendously, offering MUCH higher wages and benefits.

    The. only people benefitting from the union - is those running the union.

    What people. don't realize is that companies learn to adapt to these mob tactics.  They will keep you until you are supposed to get a raise and then lay you off while hiring a noob from a job fair. Things like that. Unions are just criminal and bullying-style tactics with a lot of jank going as part of the "negotiations." 

    Please keep these crap unions away from Apple. 

    Next thing you know, you can't get in the Apple store during the holidays because the union employees decided they are worth $30/hour and are on strike.

    It happens to auto workers and telecoms. No thanks. 

    Work an honest job, get paid and honest wage. Don't. game the system and ruin it for everyone. 
    Let them strike. Apple Store employees can be replaced with any kid in college who has been using Apple products since 6 years old lol
    edited November 2022 9secondkox2watto_cobra
  • Reply 15 of 20
    ronnronn Posts: 653member
    Brow-beating and lying will surely push more workers to the pro-union side. The union side already won as they forced Apple to greatly increase pay and expand benefits. That wouldn't have happened without the union talk.
    9secondkox2
  • Reply 16 of 20
    ronn said:
    Brow-beating and lying will surely push more workers to the pro-union side. The union side already won as they forced Apple to greatly increase pay and expand benefits. That wouldn't have happened without the union talk.
    Except they aren't lying. they are simply telling it like It is. 

    Allowing pro-union liars to control a narrative isn't helpful to anyone.  

    Gotta be proactive when folks with agendas start doing their little spiel. 
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 17 of 20
    ronnronn Posts: 653member
    ronn said:
    Brow-beating and lying will surely push more workers to the pro-union side. The union side already won as they forced Apple to greatly increase pay and expand benefits. That wouldn't have happened without the union talk.
    Except they aren't lying. they are simply telling it like It is. 
    Did you even read the article? Referencing an email sent to workers:
    It is also claimed workers were told they could be forced to join the union even if they voted against it, which is false for states like Virginia. 

    Apple knows this and has repeated this lie in other states where workers can't be forced to join if the unionization effort is successful. 

    FileMakerFeller
  • Reply 18 of 20
    Madbum said:
    If Pro Union people can talk about the benefits of Unions, Employers can talk about why a union is not good.

    let the employees decide. Why are Peo union types afraid of any anti union talk if they think their idea is so great?
    Not "afraid" of "any" anti-union talk: concerned about well-funded scare campaigns conducted without representatives from both sides being present. Just as employers are (and should be!) about union-run events that use the same approach.

    The common goal should be the success of the commercial enterprise to the prosperity of all involved. Funding, planning and execution are all vital, yet the pervasive argument is that these three groups should not have an equal share of the bounty.
    ronn
  • Reply 19 of 20

    "If you are having secret talks about things, it's probably not a good thing to be doing," store management allegedly told workers.
    "I mean, that's what we do at Apple, we keep our secrets, but you little people? No."
    ronn
  • Reply 20 of 20
    Good for Apple.

    The only union talk that should be happening is anti-union talk.

    Apple heard the collective dissatisfaction and upped the game tremendously, offering MUCH higher wages and benefits.

    The. only people benefitting from the union - is those running the union.
    Labour laws came about because of unions, to the benefit of millions of workers - and to the employers, many of whom fought the proposed laws tooth and nail, who now had better-rested, better-trained workers who were more productive and less likely to leave for greener pastures on a whim.
    What people. don't realize is that companies learn to adapt to these mob tactics.  They will keep you until you are supposed to get a raise and then lay you off while hiring a noob from a job fair. Things like that.
    In some countries those tactics are illegal. It is very difficult to successfully prosecute such a case, but it's not impossible. In some industries where the training requirements are low it can be an economically viable approach, but as work becomes more and more reliant on skills and creativity it would be actively harmful to operate such a policy: lower wages for younger workers is a trade-off reflecting the higher level of training the company needs to provide; the pay-off for the company is that a well-trained worker familiar with the company's needs is much more productive than a fresh recruit.
    9secondkox2 said:
    Unions are just criminal and bullying-style tactics with a lot of jank going as part of the "negotiations."
    That is simplistic and wrong. Even in the rare cases where union representatives engage in unlawful and/or unreasonable behaviour, unions always offer substantive assistance to their members in the form of educational materials and subsidies, counselling services and other benefits that rarely receive attention.
    Work an honest job, get paid and honest wage. Don't. game the system and ruin it for everyone. 
    Now that we can all agree on.
    muthuk_vanalingamforegoneconclusion
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