New York passes functionally toothless Right to Repair bill



  • Reply 21 of 23
    hexclockhexclock Posts: 1,232member
    99.9999999999999999% of customers are not going to be able to unsolder and replace a chip on a iPhone mb that is probably smaller than a tic-tac. Myself included. Swapping the battery would be nice though. 
  • Reply 22 of 23
    KTR said:
    Dumb ass American law makers, soc WILL REPLACE THAT LAW.
    System On Chip? How’s that work?
  • Reply 23 of 23
    charlesn said:
    "New York passes functionally toothless Right to Repair bill"

    The one minor problem with this headline is that the article which follows completely fails to make the case that the new law is "functionally toothless," and I read it quite closely to try and understand the rationale. The main (only?) complaint seems to be that the bill fails to force companies to sell individual components that may be part of a larger assembly, so a company like Apple could continue selling an entire motherboard "part," instead of selling individual chips on the board.

    That's an unfortunate misinterpretation.  Assembly doesn't mean "board".  Approximately nobody asked for the right to do repairs of individual components on a PCB.  It would be nice, but it isn't particularly practical in most circumstances.  Having schematics where replacement of commodity components on boards is possible would be a good idea, and I wouldn't mind the law requiring that, but the reality is that some chips are manufactured for a specific manufacturer, in exactly the quantities required by that manufacturer, and it would be rather comical to try to force Apple to manufacture a bunch of A15 chips or whatever just in case somebody wanted to replace the CPU without replacing the motherboard.  Exactly nobody will even ask.

    The problem with weakening the bill to allow "assemblies", i.e. parts that are combined together not through soldering/manufacturing processes, but rather through physically plugging things together, screwing them together, using adhesives, etc., is that the bill allows companies like Apple to continue abusively requiring people to buy an entire assembly containing the display fastened to the glass and fingerprint reader and home button for a hundred bucks, rather than requiring them to allow you to heat the glass so that the glue becomes soft, then peel and replace the front glass for a dollar and a half.  It allows them to continue requiring you to buy a new top case with a keyboard and battery attached rather than allowing you to buy just the battery for a fraction of the cost.  And so on.  That is the abuse that this bill was intended to prevent, and it sounds to me like the New York bill no longer does so in any meaningful way, which makes it darn near worthless.

    I would love to see the stats on how many people are actually using Apple's Self Repair service as well as how many of them screwed up devices by tackling a repair for which they didn't have the skills to perform successfully. 

    The number of people replacing their own laptop batteries with third-party batteries rather than buying Apple's overpriced top case is considerable.  The number of people using Apple's self-repair service is probably much smaller, because they massively overcharge for parts so that people will say, "Why bother replacing [part] for $[x] when I can get a whole new phone for $[x * k]?" and then buy a new machine.  First-party repair parts have always been overpriced from most manufacturers, which is why nearly all self-repair happens by buying parts cannibalized from old machines.

    As long as companies are not allowed to use technical measures to prevent consumers from using parts cannibalized from old machines, that will likely continue to be the case.  Whether this bill still protects against that abuse is unclear, depending on how you interpret the changes that protect the company's right to not allow consumers to break security features, and whether that's interpreted to be limited to real security features, such as iCloud-based locking of stolen devices, or interpreted more broadly to include "security" features like pairing of the fingerprint reader with the CPU.

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