Cook praises 'symbiotic' 30-year relationship with China

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Apple CEO Tim Cook has offered praise over Apple's 30-year relationship with China, using a visit to the country to offer positive messages about the iPhone maker's workings in the country.

Apple CEO Tim Cook
Apple CEO Tim Cook


Tim Cook has visited China for the first time since the start of the 2020 pandemic, using the occasion to mark a milestone anniversary between Apple and the country. Speaking at the China Development Forum, Cook offered complimentary commentary as Apple reaches its 30th anniversary of operation in the territory.

"We could not be more excited," according to Cook at the gather. "Apple and China grew together and so this has been a symbiotic kind of relationship," he continued, reports the Financial Times.

Cook refers to the extensive supply chain system in China, which he helped create for the iPhone producer over the decades. While there have been recent issues, such as the Zhengzhou factory problems, as well as discussions about Apple trying to spread work to different locales, Apple still relies heavily on a Chinese workforce.

As part of the same trip, Cook was greeted by applause when visiting the flagship Beijing Apple Store, which was also covered by state media.

"We have a very large supply chain operation in China and then of course we also have our Apple stores," said Cook. "From the moment we hit the ground yesterday, we couldn't wait to see some of our customers, so we went to the Sanliutn store."

The China Development Forum is being attended by a number of US business leaders, with the Beijing event considered a blow-out party after a three-year period dominated by zero-tolerance COVID policies.

Cook's attendance wasn't unnoticed by online observers, who contrasted the Apple CEO's largely positive appearance in China with the recent grilling of TikTok's leadership by the U.S. Congress.

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  • Reply 1 of 61
    prolineproline Posts: 222member
    JP234 said:
    Sounds like an ill-timed, but productive visit. Certain elements in the Legislature and right wing media are sure to make hay out of it. But if you ask me, good business ties with China are super important, even in the face of recent geopolitical events. China will to be less inclined to damage their best customer.
    Lol. Do you think Russia is less inclined to damage us after we
    — gave them Ukraine’s nukes
    — gave them the USSR spot on the security council
    — shut down our own rocket engine manufacturing and made our rockets dependent on their engines
    — made them key partners in the ISS
    — let them genocide Chechnya
    — let them conquer Georgia and Moldova and Crimea
    — gave them Big Macs and iPhones

    Of course not. Dictators can’t stop themselves from attacking us. We need to be ready. Apple is making us dependent rather than ready. 
    9secondkox2tmayronnelijahglkruppmainyehcblastdoorCluntBaby92grandact73jony0
  • Reply 2 of 61
    JP234 said:
    Sounds like an ill-timed, but productive visit. Certain elements in the Legislature and right wing media are sure to make hay out of it. But if you ask me, good business ties with China are super important, even in the face of recent geopolitical events. China will to be less inclined to damage their best customer.
    I’m all for free trade if a foreign vendor offers a better value due to same quality of product for lower price or better quality for the same price compared to a domestic supplier. What I am completely against is kowtowing to a foreign government and being a spokesperson for their propaganda.
    9secondkox2ronnelijahgmainyehcCluntBaby92
  • Reply 3 of 61
    Can't wait to see how "symbiotic" it is when we've enriched the CCP's economy and military enough that they can dominate the world with Communism. Way to go Timmy Boy!
    edited March 2023 elijahg9secondkox2ITGUYINSDCluntBaby92fastbaggergrandact73
  • Reply 4 of 61
    waveparticlewaveparticle Posts: 1,497member
    proline said:
    JP234 said:
    Sounds like an ill-timed, but productive visit. Certain elements in the Legislature and right wing media are sure to make hay out of it. But if you ask me, good business ties with China are super important, even in the face of recent geopolitical events. China will to be less inclined to damage their best customer.
    Lol. Do you think Russia is less inclined to damage us after we
    — gave them Ukraine’s nukes
    — gave them the USSR spot on the security council
    — shut down our own rocket engine manufacturing and made our rockets dependent on their engines
    — made them key partners in the ISS
    — let them genocide Chechnya
    — let them conquer Georgia and Moldova and Crimea
    — gave them Big Macs and iPhones

    Of course not. Dictators can’t stop themselves from attacking us. We need to be ready. Apple is making us dependent rather than ready. 
    Wow! All Russia's fault. US is the victim. Hate Russia, LOL.
    coolfactor9secondkox2
  • Reply 5 of 61
    I like that Apple is looking outside China for sourcing their wares.  Having all of your eggs in one basket is not so good for eggs or metaphorically for your supply chain.

    Doing so is not a good business strategy.  Sooner or later, things fall apart.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 6 of 61
    longfanglongfang Posts: 451member
    proline said:
    JP234 said:
    Sounds like an ill-timed, but productive visit. Certain elements in the Legislature and right wing media are sure to make hay out of it. But if you ask me, good business ties with China are super important, even in the face of recent geopolitical events. China will to be less inclined to damage their best customer.
    Lol. Do you think Russia is less inclined to damage us after we
    — gave them Ukraine’s nukes
    — gave them the USSR spot on the security council
    — shut down our own rocket engine manufacturing and made our rockets dependent on their engines
    — made them key partners in the ISS
    — let them genocide Chechnya
    — let them conquer Georgia and Moldova and Crimea
    — gave them Big Macs and iPhones

    Of course not. Dictators can’t stop themselves from attacking us. We need to be ready. Apple is making us dependent rather than ready. 
    Name 1 dictator who attacked you.
    ctt_zhradarthekat9secondkox2watto_cobra
  • Reply 7 of 61
    9secondkox29secondkox2 Posts: 2,707member
    longfang said:
    proline said:
    JP234 said:
    Sounds like an ill-timed, but productive visit. Certain elements in the Legislature and right wing media are sure to make hay out of it. But if you ask me, good business ties with China are super important, even in the face of recent geopolitical events. China will to be less inclined to damage their best customer.
    Lol. Do you think Russia is less inclined to damage us after we
    — gave them Ukraine’s nukes
    — gave them the USSR spot on the security council
    — shut down our own rocket engine manufacturing and made our rockets dependent on their engines
    — made them key partners in the ISS
    — let them genocide Chechnya
    — let them conquer Georgia and Moldova and Crimea
    — gave them Big Macs and iPhones

    Of course not. Dictators can’t stop themselves from attacking us. We need to be ready. Apple is making us dependent rather than ready. 
    Name 1 dictator who attacked you.
    Just because something hadn’t happened yet doesn’t mean it can’t or won’t. The lessons of history are meant to be learned from. 

    A popular reminder:

    First they came for the Communists
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a Communist
    Then they came for the Socialists
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a Socialist
    Then they came for the trade unionists
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a trade unionist
    Then they came for the Jews
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a Jew
    Then they came for me
    And there was no one left
    To speak out for me

    If we don’t stand up now, there may not be a chance later. 
    edited March 2023 CluntBaby92
  • Reply 8 of 61
    coolfactorcoolfactor Posts: 2,241member
    proline said:
    JP234 said:
    Sounds like an ill-timed, but productive visit. Certain elements in the Legislature and right wing media are sure to make hay out of it. But if you ask me, good business ties with China are super important, even in the face of recent geopolitical events. China will to be less inclined to damage their best customer.
    Lol. Do you think Russia is less inclined to damage us after we
    — gave them Ukraine’s nukes
    — gave them the USSR spot on the security council
    — shut down our own rocket engine manufacturing and made our rockets dependent on their engines
    — made them key partners in the ISS
    — let them genocide Chechnya
    — let them conquer Georgia and Moldova and Crimea
    — gave them Big Macs and iPhones

    Of course not. Dictators can’t stop themselves from attacking us. We need to be ready. Apple is making us dependent rather than ready. 
    Wow! All Russia's fault. US is the victim. Hate Russia, LOL.

    The US is very young compared to Asian countries, particularly China. Unfortunately, because they are the current "world leader", that has gone to their heads, and no other country can be as great. That's the illusion right there. World powers come and go, and have for eons. The US will lose their dominance eventually. And we can only hope that the next world power will be democratic. and more mature and advanced than the current US leadership and population.
    Ofermuthuk_vanalingamjony0watto_cobra
  • Reply 9 of 61
    9secondkox29secondkox2 Posts: 2,707member
    JP234 said:
    longfang said:
    proline said:
    JP234 said:
    Sounds like an ill-timed, but productive visit. Certain elements in the Legislature and right wing media are sure to make hay out of it. But if you ask me, good business ties with China are super important, even in the face of recent geopolitical events. China will to be less inclined to damage their best customer.
    Lol. Do you think Russia is less inclined to damage us after we
    — gave them Ukraine’s nukes
    — gave them the USSR spot on the security council
    — shut down our own rocket engine manufacturing and made our rockets dependent on their engines
    — made them key partners in the ISS
    — let them genocide Chechnya
    — let them conquer Georgia and Moldova and Crimea
    — gave them Big Macs and iPhones

    Of course not. Dictators can’t stop themselves from attacking us. We need to be ready. Apple is making us dependent rather than ready. 
    Name 1 dictator who attacked you.
    Just because something hadn’t happened yet doesn’t mean it can’t or won’t. The lessons of history are meant to be learned from. 

    A popular reminder:

    First they came for the Communists
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a Communist
    Then they came for the Socialists
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a Socialist
    Then they came for the trade unionists
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a trade unionist
    Then they came for the Jews
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a Jew
    Then they came for me
    And there was no one left
    To speak out for me

    If we don’t stand up now, there may not be a chance later. 
    When quoting or paraphrasing, please cite your sources. This was written by Martin Niemöller, a right-wing Lutheran Pastor, who understood that fascist forces in Germany in the 1930's were not the brand of conservatism with which he wanted to be associated. His criticism of Hitler wound him up in German prisons and concentration camps from 1937-1945. It's a loose allegory of the old Arabic tale about the Camel's nose in the tent, or the Cold War's Domino Theory. As well as the axiom, "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing,” often attributed to Edmund Burke or John Stuart Mill, but whose true origins remain cloudy at best.
    Good job on using the Google. 

    Specifically why I did not cite. 

    And it applies very well. You say nothing when it doesn’t affect you, then it will eventually and you’ll have no one looking out for you. 

    So asking stupid questions like “what dictator hurt you?” Is a disengenuous move. Dictators hurting anyone is wrong. And the less you do about, especially aquiescing to it, means such things go unchecked not only physically, but even in your mind. You’re beaten already. So sad. 
    OferCluntBaby92
  • Reply 10 of 61
    9secondkox29secondkox2 Posts: 2,707member
    proline said:
    JP234 said:
    Sounds like an ill-timed, but productive visit. Certain elements in the Legislature and right wing media are sure to make hay out of it. But if you ask me, good business ties with China are super important, even in the face of recent geopolitical events. China will to be less inclined to damage their best customer.
    Lol. Do you think Russia is less inclined to damage us after we
    — gave them Ukraine’s nukes
    — gave them the USSR spot on the security council
    — shut down our own rocket engine manufacturing and made our rockets dependent on their engines
    — made them key partners in the ISS
    — let them genocide Chechnya
    — let them conquer Georgia and Moldova and Crimea
    — gave them Big Macs and iPhones

    Of course not. Dictators can’t stop themselves from attacking us. We need to be ready. Apple is making us dependent rather than ready. 
    Wow! All Russia's fault. US is the victim. Hate Russia, LOL.

    The US is very young compared to Asian countries, particularly China. Unfortunately, because they are the current "world leader", that has gone to their heads, and no other country can be as great. That's the illusion right there. World powers come and go, and have for eons. The US will lose their dominance eventually. And we can only hope that the next world power will be democratic. and more mature and advanced than the current US leadership and population.
    True only when it’s allowed to happen. Strangely, our government is now more concerned with gas stoves and air conditioners than they are with innovation, marketplace excellence and military superiority. Recipe for disaster. 
    CluntBaby92watto_cobra
  • Reply 11 of 61
    radarthekatradarthekat Posts: 3,842moderator
    proline said:
    JP234 said:
    Sounds like an ill-timed, but productive visit. Certain elements in the Legislature and right wing media are sure to make hay out of it. But if you ask me, good business ties with China are super important, even in the face of recent geopolitical events. China will to be less inclined to damage their best customer.
    Lol. Do you think Russia is less inclined to damage us after we
    — gave them Ukraine’s nukes
    — gave them the USSR spot on the security council
    — shut down our own rocket engine manufacturing and made our rockets dependent on their engines
    — made them key partners in the ISS
    — let them genocide Chechnya
    — let them conquer Georgia and Moldova and Crimea
    — gave them Big Macs and iPhones

    Of course not. Dictators can’t stop themselves from attacking us. We need to be ready. Apple is making us dependent rather than ready. 
    Wow! All Russia's fault. US is the victim. Hate Russia, LOL.

    The US is very young compared to Asian countries, particularly China. Unfortunately, because they are the current "world leader", that has gone to their heads, and no other country can be as great. That's the illusion right there. World powers come and go, and have for eons. The US will lose their dominance eventually. And we can only hope that the next world power will be democratic. and more mature and advanced than the current US leadership and population.
    True only when it’s allowed to happen. Strangely, our government is now more concerned with gas stoves and air conditioners than they are with innovation, marketplace excellence and military superiority. Recipe for disaster. 
    It’s really only a certain segment obsessed with gas stoves.  Hint: it’s the same segment who are banning books.  Maybe you need to take a break from that rhetoric.  It’ll do your heart good.  
    baconstangOferwaveparticleroundaboutnowjony0watto_cobra
  • Reply 12 of 61
    9secondkox29secondkox2 Posts: 2,707member
    proline said:
    JP234 said:
    Sounds like an ill-timed, but productive visit. Certain elements in the Legislature and right wing media are sure to make hay out of it. But if you ask me, good business ties with China are super important, even in the face of recent geopolitical events. China will to be less inclined to damage their best customer.
    Lol. Do you think Russia is less inclined to damage us after we
    — gave them Ukraine’s nukes
    — gave them the USSR spot on the security council
    — shut down our own rocket engine manufacturing and made our rockets dependent on their engines
    — made them key partners in the ISS
    — let them genocide Chechnya
    — let them conquer Georgia and Moldova and Crimea
    — gave them Big Macs and iPhones

    Of course not. Dictators can’t stop themselves from attacking us. We need to be ready. Apple is making us dependent rather than ready. 
    Wow! All Russia's fault. US is the victim. Hate Russia, LOL.

    The US is very young compared to Asian countries, particularly China. Unfortunately, because they are the current "world leader", that has gone to their heads, and no other country can be as great. That's the illusion right there. World powers come and go, and have for eons. The US will lose their dominance eventually. And we can only hope that the next world power will be democratic. and more mature and advanced than the current US leadership and population.
    True only when it’s allowed to happen. Strangely, our government is now more concerned with gas stoves and air conditioners than they are with innovation, marketplace excellence and military superiority. Recipe for disaster. 
    It’s really only a certain segment obsessed with gas stoves.  Hint: it’s the same segment who are banning books.  Maybe you need to take a break from that rhetoric.  It’ll do your heart good.  
    There is no rhetoric coming from me. 

    Banning books? You mean the books with pornographic content in the libraries of schoolchildren?  And you think that’s bad? Parents across the country are confronting school boards over this. It’s everywhere. That’s not making books illegal. It’s getting them out of inappropriate places where impressionable kids can get into it and back to where adults can choose to read it or not. 

    Wow. 

    A stove or air conditioner can’t corrupt a child. Adult content can. It doesn’t belong in public schools. 

    And the air conditioner thing was reported on today. Coming from the executive branch. Federally. Not a small segment. 

    And that’s more attention than our military strength and growth is getting and more than our economy is getting. That’s not rhetoric. It’s the way it is. 
    edited March 2023 CluntBaby92
  • Reply 13 of 61
    Wow, US is becoming such a place with hatred.  Apple CEO just visited China and praise workers are innovative and he became a target。 He didn't praise CCP, neither support human right abuse. He just said something not wrong. Chinese are innovative, just like American. now he is labelled as doing propaganda for CCP.  I see American become more like CCP, bully and harass anyone who isn't doing exact what they like.   It is like extreme right speaking to extreme left, both are very SICK people. If you don't like what the CEO said,  you can choose not to buy Apple product, they are mostly made in China nowaday.
    edited March 2023 9secondkox2waveparticlemuthuk_vanalingam
  • Reply 14 of 61
    tmaytmay Posts: 6,328member
    nzhong168 said:
    Wow, US is becoming such a place with hatred.  Apple CEO just visited China and praise workers are innovative and he became a target。 He didn't praise CCP, neither support human right abuse. He just said something not wrong. Chinese are innovative, just like American. now he is labelled as doing propaganda for CCP.  I see American become more like CCP, bully and harass anyone who isn't doing exact what they like.   It is like extreme right speaking to extreme left, both are very SICK people. If you don't like what the CEO said,  you can choose not to buy Apple product, they are mostly made in China nowaday.
    https://twitter.com/badiucao/status/1639275172325629958

    Huawei awards ceremony...I love the gooses stepping...
    edited March 2023 blastdoor
  • Reply 15 of 61
    tmay said:
    nzhong168 said:
    Wow, US is becoming such a place with hatred.  Apple CEO just visited China and praise workers are innovative and he became a target。 He didn't praise CCP, neither support human right abuse. He just said something not wrong. Chinese are innovative, just like American. now he is labelled as doing propaganda for CCP.  I see American become more like CCP, bully and harass anyone who isn't doing exact what they like.   It is like extreme right speaking to extreme left, both are very SICK people. If you don't like what the CEO said,  you can choose not to buy Apple product, they are mostly made in China nowaday.
    https://twitter.com/badiucao/status/1639275172325629958

    Huawei awards ceremony...I love the gooses stepping...
    what is this link? this isn't where Tim Cook is speaking at. So what, it is Chinese style. I don't like but non of my business.
    9secondkox2muthuk_vanalingam
  • Reply 16 of 61
    longfanglongfang Posts: 451member
    longfang said:
    proline said:
    JP234 said:
    Sounds like an ill-timed, but productive visit. Certain elements in the Legislature and right wing media are sure to make hay out of it. But if you ask me, good business ties with China are super important, even in the face of recent geopolitical events. China will to be less inclined to damage their best customer.
    Lol. Do you think Russia is less inclined to damage us after we
    — gave them Ukraine’s nukes
    — gave them the USSR spot on the security council
    — shut down our own rocket engine manufacturing and made our rockets dependent on their engines
    — made them key partners in the ISS
    — let them genocide Chechnya
    — let them conquer Georgia and Moldova and Crimea
    — gave them Big Macs and iPhones

    Of course not. Dictators can’t stop themselves from attacking us. We need to be ready. Apple is making us dependent rather than ready. 
    Name 1 dictator who attacked you.
    Just because something hadn’t happened yet doesn’t mean it can’t or won’t. The lessons of history are meant to be learned from. 

    A popular reminder:

    First they came for the Communists
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a Communist
    Then they came for the Socialists
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a Socialist
    Then they came for the trade unionists
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a trade unionist
    Then they came for the Jews
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a Jew
    Then they came for me
    And there was no one left
    To speak out for me

    If we don’t stand up now, there may not be a chance later. 
    So you want to strike first because something might happen? And you wonder would the aggressive war driven nation is. 
    9secondkox2muthuk_vanalingam
  • Reply 17 of 61
    mainyehcmainyehc Posts: 133member
    Can't wait to see how "symbiotic" it is when we've enriched the CCP's economy and military enough that they can dominate the world with Communism. Way to go Timmy Boy!
    The problem is, it’s not even Socialism, let alone Communism, and even if it was Socialism, it wouldn’t be of the democratic variety.

    Any Socialist worth their salt, with two or more brain cells, knows that kowtowing to the CCP is A Very Bad Idea™.

    You’re not supposed to deepthroat the boot, Timmy, only lick it until you can find an alternative. 
    :| 
  • Reply 18 of 61
    9secondkox29secondkox2 Posts: 2,707member
    longfang said:
    longfang said:
    proline said:
    JP234 said:
    Sounds like an ill-timed, but productive visit. Certain elements in the Legislature and right wing media are sure to make hay out of it. But if you ask me, good business ties with China are super important, even in the face of recent geopolitical events. China will to be less inclined to damage their best customer.
    Lol. Do you think Russia is less inclined to damage us after we
    — gave them Ukraine’s nukes
    — gave them the USSR spot on the security council
    — shut down our own rocket engine manufacturing and made our rockets dependent on their engines
    — made them key partners in the ISS
    — let them genocide Chechnya
    — let them conquer Georgia and Moldova and Crimea
    — gave them Big Macs and iPhones

    Of course not. Dictators can’t stop themselves from attacking us. We need to be ready. Apple is making us dependent rather than ready. 
    Name 1 dictator who attacked you.
    Just because something hadn’t happened yet doesn’t mean it can’t or won’t. The lessons of history are meant to be learned from. 

    A popular reminder:

    First they came for the Communists
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a Communist
    Then they came for the Socialists
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a Socialist
    Then they came for the trade unionists
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a trade unionist
    Then they came for the Jews
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a Jew
    Then they came for me
    And there was no one left
    To speak out for me

    If we don’t stand up now, there may not be a chance later. 
    So you want to strike first because something might happen? And you wonder would the aggressive war driven nation is. 
    Way to make stuff up and put words in others mouths. 

    No one said what you are saying. 

    A superior military is necessary to deter evil, help others without depleting the homeland guard and win wars of necessary. 

    Awareness, vigilance, and strength are items constantly in need of attention and growth 

    pretending the stuff that’s happening around you isn’t happening is the quickest way to go downhill. 
    tmay
  • Reply 19 of 61
    mainyehcmainyehc Posts: 133member
    nzhong168 said:
    Wow, US is becoming such a place with hatred.  Apple CEO just visited China and praise workers are innovative and he became a target。 He didn't praise CCP, neither support human right abuse. He just said something not wrong. Chinese are innovative, just like American. now he is labelled as doing propaganda for CCP.  I see American become more like CCP, bully and harass anyone who isn't doing exact what they like.   It is like extreme right speaking to extreme left, both are very SICK people. If you don't like what the CEO said,  you can choose not to buy Apple product, they are mostly made in China nowaday.
    Dude, his sense of timing was complete crap on this one and if this was just due to him being too busy to pay attention to the news (which I highly doubt, but anyway), someone in Apple’s PR and communications department – maybe the head herself, Kristin Huguet Quayle – may be in absolute need of being made redundant – or resigning; if this was indeed just Tim’s doing and I were in her shoes and had to deal with its fallout, you can be damned sure that I wouldn’t stay for much longer.

    He did it right on the heels of Xi and Putin meeting, that’s what makes it a brain-dead PR blunder. With such high-stakes, life-or-death events – on a massive scale, mind you – going on in Europe, of all places, and China potentially becoming even more of an actor in them, optics are absolutely key, yes, even if Apple isn’t like a modern-day Krupp or IG Farben (heck, it could even be a Schindler, for all us common folk would care).

    Even if what you said is 100% true, it doesn’t change the fact that it’s a flustercuck of epic proportions. He could’ve canceled the visit over some scheduling excuse, and the factories would keep on working just fine, as would Apple’s relationship with them. And sure, he might just have wanted to signal to those suppliers that he would stay with them if they’re willing to move their factories overseas, but that’s the kind of thing you can, and in this particular case definitely should, do in private meetings.
    edited March 2023 tmay9secondkox2
  • Reply 20 of 61
    longfanglongfang Posts: 451member
    longfang said:
    longfang said:
    proline said:
    JP234 said:
    Sounds like an ill-timed, but productive visit. Certain elements in the Legislature and right wing media are sure to make hay out of it. But if you ask me, good business ties with China are super important, even in the face of recent geopolitical events. China will to be less inclined to damage their best customer.
    Lol. Do you think Russia is less inclined to damage us after we
    — gave them Ukraine’s nukes
    — gave them the USSR spot on the security council
    — shut down our own rocket engine manufacturing and made our rockets dependent on their engines
    — made them key partners in the ISS
    — let them genocide Chechnya
    — let them conquer Georgia and Moldova and Crimea
    — gave them Big Macs and iPhones

    Of course not. Dictators can’t stop themselves from attacking us. We need to be ready. Apple is making us dependent rather than ready. 
    Name 1 dictator who attacked you.
    Just because something hadn’t happened yet doesn’t mean it can’t or won’t. The lessons of history are meant to be learned from. 

    A popular reminder:

    First they came for the Communists
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a Communist
    Then they came for the Socialists
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a Socialist
    Then they came for the trade unionists
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a trade unionist
    Then they came for the Jews
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a Jew
    Then they came for me
    And there was no one left
    To speak out for me

    If we don’t stand up now, there may not be a chance later. 
    So you want to strike first because something might happen? And you wonder would the aggressive war driven nation is. 
    Way to make stuff up and put words in others mouths. 

    No one said what you are saying. 

    A superior military is necessary to deter evil, help others without depleting the homeland guard and win wars of necessary. 

    Awareness, vigilance, and strength are items constantly in need of attention and growth 

    pretending the stuff that’s happening around you isn’t happening is the quickest way to go downhill. 
    Your definition of evil. I mean the devil sees himself as the good one. 
    waveparticle9secondkox2
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