I think the Shiites in Iraq ought to stop beating themselves now, and focus instead on heading directly to PETA HQ and beating the crap out of the powers that be there....
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From NYT (excellent visual aids there, go see them):
To mark the anniversary of the killing of Imam Hussein, the grandson of the Prophet Muhammad, Shiites in Karbala beat themselves to atone for the guilt of their ancestors who failed to save Hussein.
good point giant! it's like in negotiations, you want a million dollars so you ask for five million.....they think you're insane and say "well we'll give you a million...."
plus any time they can get the debate out there they are happy!
Yeah but in the end you are still insane.
Peta: noble cause; bad implementation. They should concentrate on early education instead of trying to change the minds of people already set in their ways (dietetically) and they should focus more on the prevention of animal cruelty.
But think about vegetarianism in general. Homo sapiens rose up above their animal counterparts because of the meat in their diet. It help their brains develop and grow to the point where they were different psychologically and mentally superior to their animal brethren. I used to be vegetarian but a basic study into the history of the human species and diet will show the importance of meat in the diet. In short; meat is yummy!
No, actually. I'm not denying that people label things as such. I think I'm quite alone in my views that political correctness is a made-up euphemism for doing the right thing. There are no good examples or bad examples of it. We shouldn't judge anything on whether it's "politically correct." We should judge something on its own merit.
You have to work in a big company some time, or perhaps a very liberal university. Two very different scenarios of "political correctness" gone wrong. The whole point of pointing out "political correctness" is when it isn't correct, not on its merits, anyway. I think we're differentiating between trying to do the right (correct) thing, and giving it lip service only.
Anyhoo, on topic, I know exactly what PETA is trying to do with tactics like these, like Greenpeace and other "gorilla" activist groups, but as has been said elsewhere around here, the message is in the means, not the ends. I have plenty of respect for their aims at least to a fair degree (though the dogmatic tone is a turn-off), but the means of getting the message out is just kind of silly, sometimes -- sometimes inadvertently -- the means are offensive too. This isn't one of those cases, but the whole chickens = Jews/Jews = chickens fiasco was one such case.
It's amazing how sensitive some people are in some respects and not at all in others.
You have to work in a big company some time, or perhaps a very liberal university. Two very different scenarios of "political correctness" gone wrong. The whole point of pointing out "political correctness" is when it isn't correct, not on its merits, anyway. I think we're differentiating between trying to do the right (correct) thing, and giving it lip service only.
Anyhoo, on topic, I know exactly what PETA is trying to do with tactics like these, like Greenpeace and other "gorilla" activist groups, but as has been said elsewhere around here, the message is in the means, not the ends. I have plenty of respect for their aims at least to a fair degree (though the dogmatic tone is a turn-off), but the means of getting the message out is just kind of silly, sometimes -- sometimes inadvertently -- the means are offensive too. This isn't one of those cases, but the whole chickens = Jews/Jews = chickens fiasco was one such case.
It's amazing how sensitive some people are in some respects and not at all in others.
SPJ: Sound familiar? Intention may be noble but the method is wrong?
PETA actually does get things done. They have these outrageous stuff and then in the background, they what they really want: the ethical treatment of animals. I was listening to NPR when they were talking about PETA's successful campaign to get farmers to have better conditions for their animals. They put the pressure on McDonalds to do something about it. McDonalds did and the farmers got better. They are immensely powerful. And they have some hot spokespeople, as well.
edit: here's a link to the story. Whatever they're doing is working.
I do recall The Go-Go's (within the past 5-6 years...MUCH hotter now that they're a bit older and all) posing for one of those "I'd rather show my beaver than wear one" PETA ads.
I thought that was pretty nice. They looked good, all five of them standing there in their birthday suits with a strategically placed banner covering their jingle-jangles.
I'm not out to 'get' anyone. Make a claim and back it up, that's all I ask. If I ever claim someone is using a straw man argument, prove me wrong. But because when I've made that accusation I've been correct, you now try in vain to undermine the concept.
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From NYT (excellent visual aids there, go see them):
To mark the anniversary of the killing of Imam Hussein, the grandson of the Prophet Muhammad, Shiites in Karbala beat themselves to atone for the guilt of their ancestors who failed to save Hussein.
Originally posted by murbot
I chuckle to myself everytime I order a Pita with chicken or beef in it.
heh heh
I think I read that about three times before i got it, now I laugh. . .
Originally posted by superkarate monkeydeathcar
good point giant! it's like in negotiations, you want a million dollars so you ask for five million.....they think you're insane and say "well we'll give you a million...."
plus any time they can get the debate out there they are happy!
Yeah but in the end you are still insane.
Peta: noble cause; bad implementation. They should concentrate on early education instead of trying to change the minds of people already set in their ways (dietetically) and they should focus more on the prevention of animal cruelty.
But think about vegetarianism in general. Homo sapiens rose up above their animal counterparts because of the meat in their diet. It help their brains develop and grow to the point where they were different psychologically and mentally superior to their animal brethren. I used to be vegetarian but a basic study into the history of the human species and diet will show the importance of meat in the diet. In short; meat is yummy!
Damn, Outsider. Damn.
Originally posted by ShawnPatrickJoyce
No, actually. I'm not denying that people label things as such. I think I'm quite alone in my views that political correctness is a made-up euphemism for doing the right thing. There are no good examples or bad examples of it. We shouldn't judge anything on whether it's "politically correct." We should judge something on its own merit.
You have to work in a big company some time, or perhaps a very liberal university. Two very different scenarios of "political correctness" gone wrong.
Anyhoo, on topic, I know exactly what PETA is trying to do with tactics like these, like Greenpeace and other "gorilla" activist groups, but as has been said elsewhere around here, the message is in the means, not the ends. I have plenty of respect for their aims at least to a fair degree (though the dogmatic tone is a turn-off), but the means of getting the message out is just kind of silly, sometimes -- sometimes inadvertently -- the means are offensive too. This isn't one of those cases, but the whole chickens = Jews/Jews = chickens fiasco was one such case.
It's amazing how sensitive some people are in some respects and not at all in others.
Originally posted by ShawnPatrickJoyce
Outsider is now officially on the record that the following is bad implementation:
Damn, Outsider. Damn.
No one ever said you can't be hot AND dumb.
And I'm not sure the message gets through after the 13 year old kid finishes jerking off.
Originally posted by BuonRotto
You have to work in a big company some time, or perhaps a very liberal university. Two very different scenarios of "political correctness" gone wrong.
Anyhoo, on topic, I know exactly what PETA is trying to do with tactics like these, like Greenpeace and other "gorilla" activist groups, but as has been said elsewhere around here, the message is in the means, not the ends. I have plenty of respect for their aims at least to a fair degree (though the dogmatic tone is a turn-off), but the means of getting the message out is just kind of silly, sometimes -- sometimes inadvertently -- the means are offensive too. This isn't one of those cases, but the whole chickens = Jews/Jews = chickens fiasco was one such case.
It's amazing how sensitive some people are in some respects and not at all in others.
SPJ: Sound familiar? Intention may be noble but the method is wrong?
Ring a bell Shawn?
Fellows
Originally posted by Outsider
No one ever said you can't be hot AND dumb.
And I'm not sure the message gets through after the 13 year old kid finishes jerking off.
True. But for those blissful 90 seconds...
Originally posted by Barto
PeTA: Campaigning for soft-core pornography for over 20 years
What's wrong with porn again?
edit: here's a link to the story. Whatever they're doing is working.
Originally posted by ShawnPatrickJoyce
What's wrong with porn again?
spj you should change your signature to whapita whapita
I thought that was pretty nice. They looked good, all five of them standing there in their birthday suits with a strategically placed banner covering their jingle-jangles.
Originally posted by pscates
Your favorite response (along with bunge and giant) to ANYONE who pokes a hole into one of your preciously-held thoughts or beliefs:
"Straw man...".
Too bad you know I'm correct on the few occasions I do make that claim!
they found them all the next day dead due to predation and exposure.
way to go morons.
Originally posted by pscates
Oooohhh...yeah. Got me there.
I'm not out to 'get' anyone. Make a claim and back it up, that's all I ask. If I ever claim someone is using a straw man argument, prove me wrong. But because when I've made that accusation I've been correct, you now try in vain to undermine the concept.
Wow. Intelligent.
Originally posted by alcimedes
they found them all the next day dead due to predation and exposure.
I'd rather be a dead man in my grave
than living as a puppet or a slave....