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  • Reply 21 of 274
    brbr Posts: 8,395member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by ena

    you forgot incest



    Are you going to answer my god damn question or keep derailing the thread?
  • Reply 22 of 274
    enaena Posts: 667member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by BR

    Are you going to answer my god damn question or keep derailing the thread?



    incest, BR
  • Reply 23 of 274
    brbr Posts: 8,395member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by ena

    incest, BR



    CONSENTING ADULTS, ENA. NOT YOUR BUSINESS, ENA.



    Is it sick and twisted? Yes. Is it your business? NO!
  • Reply 24 of 274
    enaena Posts: 667member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by BR

    CONSENTING ADULTS, ENA. NOT YOUR BUSINESS, ENA.



    Is it sick and twisted? Yes. Is it your business? NO!








    Probably the biggest flaw of the perspective "none of anyone's business" is the assumption that we are disconnected from each other more than we are.



    There are reasons that incest is illegal. To drive it into the dark corners where it belongs. It isn't possible to be neutral on the topic. It's either part of public policy or it's not.
  • Reply 25 of 274
    Quote:

    Originally posted by ena

    To answer a valid question:



    Step back for a second and tell me, why, if two men can have sex, why can't they be brothers?




    Two men have can sex if they love each other or fancy each other. Two men, and two women, have been doing it to each other for tens of thousands of years. Many famous playwrights, artists, poets, painters, politicians and sportsmen have been doing it for countless generations. It's OK. No-one gets hurt. They want to do it. They do not fancy men, if they are women, or women, if they are men. That's just the way it is.



    Good for them. Shag away. Have a shag for me. I'd rather not watch, but carry right on, don't let me stop you.



    Now, ena, what the blue buggering hell do incest, adultery and homosexuality have in common, apart from the fact they all offend you equally? Explain to me please, because I don't see the connection and I don't see the faintest logical connection in your argument. I'm curious.
  • Reply 26 of 274
    pscatespscates Posts: 5,847member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by bunge

    'If the Supreme Court says you can cook Key Lime Pie in your home, you can murder your neighbors.'



    Sniff, sniff...I smell straw!



    Someone want to explain to me how if I had said the above to others here, I would be hit with the dreaded "s" man accusation? Or, at the very least, "making up something so far out that it doesn't even relate to anything"?



  • Reply 27 of 274
    "If you can have heterosexual sex in your home then you can also have homosexual sex and then you can also have bla bla bla."



    Why doesn´t he continue the list in the other end? Besides it involves no argument whatsoever.



    "If you can make a car go 10 miles on a gallon why cant you make it go 20, 30, one billion?"



    He makes an argumental mistake by not using arguments.
  • Reply 28 of 274
    Quote:

    Originally posted by pscates

    Sniff, sniff...I smell straw!



    I´m sure it comes from your house
  • Reply 29 of 274
    brbr Posts: 8,395member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by ena

    Probably the biggest flaw of the perspective "none of anyone's business" is the assumption that we are disconnected from each other more than we are.



    There are reasons that incest is illegal. To drive it into the dark corners where it belongs. It isn't possible to be neutral on the topic. It's either part of public policy or it's not.




    Again, nosy fvck, it's none of your damn business. Advocate against it all you want (I will too because I agree it is utterly repugnant) but what two (or more) consenting adults do in the privacy of their own home IS NONE OF YOUR GOD DAMN BUSINESS. End of story, fascist.
  • Reply 30 of 274
    Why are two men who have sex more likely to be siblings than a man and a women who have sex?



    Don't see the connection.



    Men and women have been having sex for thousands for years. No-one likes incest.



    Men and men, and women and women, have been having sex for thousands of years. No-one likes incest.



    Where is the argument?
  • Reply 31 of 274
    Quote:

    Originally posted by ena

    There are reasons that incest is illegal.



    And the reason is one person takes advantage of another persons weak position (NPI). ONLY THEN IS IT OUR BUISNESS. The society have to take care of the weak when the stronger use their weakness in an too unfavorable way. Insider trading is another not realted example.
  • Reply 32 of 274
    brbr Posts: 8,395member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by Anders the White

    And the reason is one person takes advantage of another persons weak position (NPI). The society have to take care of the weak when the stronger use their weakness in an too unfavorable way. Insider trading is another not realted example.



    Consenting adults.



    People get taken advantage of every day. The society that tries to level the playing field creates a position called "The Handicapper General."















    Read Harrison Bergeron by Kurt Vonnegut Jr. if you don't get the reference.
  • Reply 33 of 274
    Quote:

    Originally posted by pscates

    Sniff, sniff...I smell straw!



    Someone want to explain to me how if I had said the above to others here, I would be hit with the dreaded "s" man accusation? Or, at the very least, "making up something so far out that it doesn't even relate to anything"?







    Bunge is using a perfectly valid rhetorical trope called reductio ad absurdium (or something) to point out that ena's argument is... not an argument. There is no connection between adultery and incest and homosexual sex.



    The Supreme Court says you can have gay sex.



    Why not adultery? Why not incest? Why not in green pyjamas? Why not speaking Portuguese and listening to Indian classical music?



    Do you see?



    ena is using a depressing rhetorical trope called 'a syllogism', which works like this:



    Statement one: "I have green pyjamas."

    Statement two: "I am a bigot."

    Unconnected sleight-of-hand / stupid statement three: "All people with green pyjamas are bigots."
  • Reply 34 of 274
    pscatespscates Posts: 5,847member
    Cool. So he does it and it gets a cool Latin name and an air of prestige. I do it and I'm just being a ridiculous, flame-baiting ass. I see...







    Figures...why did I even bother asking?
  • Reply 35 of 274
    enaena Posts: 667member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by Hassan i Sabbah





    Now, ena, what the blue buggering hell do incest, adultery and homosexuality have in common, apart from the fact they all offend you equally? Explain to me please, because I don't see the connection and I don't see the faintest logical connection in your argument. I'm curious.






    Oh bother, this thread is hopelessly derailed---if I wanted to debate the virtues of sodomy, I would have started a thread.





    Two things:



    .....the long-standing animas against homosexuality and incest is due to the fact that they are both a rebellion against a social order which identifies itself with the uniqueness of heterosexual marriage and the institutional monogamy that it represents.



    ....For Muslims, Christians, and Jews there has been a long-standing prohibition against gender incest from the beginning.





    Once you abandon either of those criterion, you are left using ambiguous statements like "no-body likes incest". Really? No body? People do it, obviously someone likes it---and some of it IS consensual---why can't they have their recognition/validation as well?



    The problem is that your argument has no bottom, and if you are as clever as you pretend you can see that.





    *lowers thread lifeboat and rows away from sinking thread*
  • Reply 36 of 274
    brbr Posts: 8,395member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by ena

    Oh bother, this thread is hopelessly derailed---if I wanted to debate the virtues of sodomy, I would have started a thread.





    Two things:



    .....the long-standing animas against homosexuality and incest is due to the fact that they are both a rebellion against a social order which identifies itself with the uniqueness of heterosexual marriage and the institutional monogamy that it represents.



    ....For Muslims, Christians, and Jews there has been a long-standing prohibition against gender incest from the beginning.





    Once you abandon either of those criterion, you are left using ambiguous statements like "no-body likes incest". Really? No body? People do it, obviously someone likes it---and some of it IS consensual---why can't they have their recognition/validation as well?



    The problem is that your argument has no bottom, and if you are as clever as you pretend you can see that.





    *lowers thread lifeboat and rows away from sinking thread*




    TRANSLATION:

    I DISAGREE WITH IT SO IT MUST BE STOPPED!
  • Reply 37 of 274
    I should be working, but what the blazes.



    BR asks "what's wrong with sodomy?" and I got to thinking.



    I wanted to ask ena: is anal sex between two men worse than anal sex between a man and a woman? If it is, why? What's the difference?



    I'm geniunely curious to know exactly what's so bad about sodomy.
  • Reply 38 of 274
    brbr Posts: 8,395member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by Hassan i Sabbah

    I should be working, but what the blazes.



    BR asks "what's wrong with sodomy?" and I got to thinking.



    I wanted to ask ena: is anal sex between two men worse than anal sex between a man and a woman? If it is, why? What's the difference?



    I'm geniunely curious to know exactly what's so bad about sodomy.




    I already provided the answer. He disagrees with it so it must be stopped.
  • Reply 39 of 274
    *ena you always do this and it's extremely annoying.*
  • Reply 40 of 274
    Quote:

    Originally posted by Hassan i Sabbah



    I'm geniunely curious to know exactly what's so bad about sodomy.




    Well, for one...



    oh wait, i've nothing.
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