I wish Apple would take home automation seriously. It’s such a half-assed job so far.
Me and my 70+ HomeKit devices that work perfectly strongly disagree with this statement.
Somehow I don’t think you’re being completely honest there. Or you’re not using it as a real home automation system. As a significant investor for 30 years and somewhat experienced technical person, there’s absolutely no reason for me to be negative on the technology other than it’s actual performance.
Could you elaborate a bit?
I'm genuinely curious. Again mostly because my (admittedly simpler setup) has worked fine (and improved with the latest software upgrades).
Some people are making broad and absolute statements (e.g., "It’s absolutely pitiful technology.", "It’s such a half-assed job so far.", "HomeKit is expensive and half baked with primitive programming compared to the competition." ) but providing little detail to tell us why they think this.
I wish Apple would take home automation seriously. It’s such a half-assed job so far.
Me and my 70+ HomeKit devices that work perfectly strongly disagree with this statement.
Somehow I don’t think you’re being completely honest there. Or you’re not using it as a real home automation system. As a significant investor for 30 years and somewhat experienced technical person, there’s absolutely no reason for me to be negative on the technology other than it’s actual performance.
Could you elaborate a bit?
I'm genuinely curious. Again mostly because my (admittedly simpler setup) has worked fine (and improved with the latest software upgrades).
Some people are making broad and absolute statements (e.g., "It’s absolutely pitiful technology.", "It’s such a half-assed job so far.", "HomeKit is expensive and half baked with primitive programming compared to the competition." ) but providing little detail to tell us why they think this.
I stated why it is pitiful technology, reread my comment.
I wish Apple would take home automation seriously. It’s such a half-assed job so far.
Me and my 70+ HomeKit devices that work perfectly strongly disagree with this statement.
Somehow I don’t think you’re being completely honest there. Or you’re not using it as a real home automation system. As a significant investor for 30 years and somewhat experienced technical person, there’s absolutely no reason for me to be negative on the technology other than it’s actual performance.
Could you elaborate a bit?
I'm genuinely curious. Again mostly because my (admittedly simpler setup) has worked fine (and improved with the latest software upgrades).
Some people are making broad and absolute statements (e.g., "It’s absolutely pitiful technology.", "It’s such a half-assed job so far.", "HomeKit is expensive and half baked with primitive programming compared to the competition." ) but providing little detail to tell us why they think this.
I stated why it is pitiful technology, reread my comment.
I did read your full comment. You gave one example of one issue and then made a broad and absolute statement: "it is pitiful technology". Not "it has this bug that frustrates me—a lot—and they need to fix it." No. Instead "it is pitiful technology."
I wish Apple would take home automation seriously. It’s such a half-assed job so far.
Me and my 70+ HomeKit devices that work perfectly strongly disagree with this statement.
Somehow I don’t think you’re being completely honest there. Or you’re not using it as a real home automation system. As a significant investor for 30 years and somewhat experienced technical person, there’s absolutely no reason for me to be negative on the technology other than it’s actual performance.
Could you elaborate a bit?
I'm genuinely curious. Again mostly because my (admittedly simpler setup) has worked fine (and improved with the latest software upgrades).
Some people are making broad and absolute statements (e.g., "It’s absolutely pitiful technology.", "It’s such a half-assed job so far.", "HomeKit is expensive and half baked with primitive programming compared to the competition." ) but providing little detail to tell us why they think this.
I stated why it is pitiful technology, reread my comment.
I did read your full comment. You gave one example of one issue and then made a broad and absolute statement: "it is pitiful technology". Not "it has this bug that frustrates me—a lot—and they need to fix it." No. Instead "it is pitiful technology."
I’m happy that your setup works for you. If you look on other forums, you will see that HomeKit is still a hot mess.
In my case, it’s the most basic technology that could possibly exist. Open, close. Lock, unlock. Query status. It’s faster for me to key in my pass code manually. HomeKit can take upwards of 10 seconds to lock or unlock the deadbolt, if it feels like doing so.
I’m not going to invest hundreds or thousands of dollars on an unreliable platform “cuz Apple”. I dipped my toes in and it’s frustrating as hell. I leave my house and my door is unlocked. Fantastic.
If HomeKit can’t handle a simple operation like a deadbolt, I’m afraid I can’t trust it with anything more complex. I would love to be able to, honestly, but at this point I see it as another half baked product that has been rushed out the door without proper and rapid fixes.
I wish Apple would take home automation seriously. It’s such a half-assed job so far.
Me and my 70+ HomeKit devices that work perfectly strongly disagree with this statement.
Somehow I don’t think you’re being completely honest there. Or you’re not using it as a real home automation system. As a significant investor for 30 years and somewhat experienced technical person, there’s absolutely no reason for me to be negative on the technology other than it’s actual performance.
Could you elaborate a bit?
I'm genuinely curious. Again mostly because my (admittedly simpler setup) has worked fine (and improved with the latest software upgrades).
Some people are making broad and absolute statements (e.g., "It’s absolutely pitiful technology.", "It’s such a half-assed job so far.", "HomeKit is expensive and half baked with primitive programming compared to the competition." ) but providing little detail to tell us why they think this.
Apple's Thread Border Router code in their HomePods and AppleTV is extremely buggy. There are two significant areas that are buggy - syncing between home hubs and "sleepiness." All ATV's and HP's are home hubs and there's no way to manage which ones are used or what the priority should be. You can remove ATV's from being used but you can't remove HP's. I have eight ATV's and sixteen HomePods. The home hub "server" moves around all of those devices. Not sure why it randomly moves but that's the current design. Thread devices talk to each other and eventually connect to an ATV or HP via the network border router capability. Many times the connection at that point is unresponsive because that part of the code in ATV's and HP's appears to go into some kind of wait state. At that point many or all devices go into a "Updating" state. Also "Automations" are stored in the home hub so when you have a timed or triggered event happen that should turn on a light or whatever, but because syncing is slow or breaks, automations will run perfectly for days and then completely break and not run at all. But if you wait a few days, they'll magically start running again. Bottom line is that if you want to play with HomeKit as a hobby, it's just fine. If you need something to be reliable and not fail...for example, watering your landscape when you live in Arizona, it's not ready for prime time. *Edit* I am running the most recent 16.5 software which seemed to solve some of the problems, especially delayed actions. I ran pretty good for about ten days, then out of the blue, all automations stopped working. I did nothing, and three days later they started working again.
I wish Apple would take home automation seriously. It’s such a half-assed job so far.
Me and my 70+ HomeKit devices that work perfectly strongly disagree with this statement.
Somehow I don’t think you’re being completely honest there. Or you’re not using it as a real home automation system. As a significant investor for 30 years and somewhat experienced technical person, there’s absolutely no reason for me to be negative on the technology other than it’s actual performance.
Could you elaborate a bit?
I'm genuinely curious. Again mostly because my (admittedly simpler setup) has worked fine (and improved with the latest software upgrades).
Some people are making broad and absolute statements (e.g., "It’s absolutely pitiful technology.", "It’s such a half-assed job so far.", "HomeKit is expensive and half baked with primitive programming compared to the competition." ) but providing little detail to tell us why they think this.
I stated why it is pitiful technology, reread my comment.
I did read your full comment. You gave one example of one issue and then made a broad and absolute statement: "it is pitiful technology". Not "it has this bug that frustrates me—a lot—and they need to fix it." No. Instead "it is pitiful technology."
In my case, it’s the most basic technology that could possibly exist. Open, close. Lock, unlock. Query status. It’s faster for me to key in my pass code manually. HomeKit can take upwards of 10 seconds to lock or unlock the deadbolt, if it feels like doing so.
I’m not going to invest hundreds or thousands of dollars on an unreliable platform “cuz Apple”. I dipped my toes in and it’s frustrating as hell. I leave my house and my door is unlocked. Fantastic.
If HomeKit can’t handle a simple operation like a deadbolt, I’m afraid I can’t trust it with anything more complex. I would love to be able to, honestly, but at this point I see it as another half baked product that has been rushed out the door without proper and rapid fixes.
That would definitely be very frustrating. And I can see how this initial experience—especially with such a vital function—would put you off of HomeKit completely.
I wish Apple would take home automation seriously. It’s such a half-assed job so far.
Me and my 70+ HomeKit devices that work perfectly strongly disagree with this statement.
Somehow I don’t think you’re being completely honest there. Or you’re not using it as a real home automation system. As a significant investor for 30 years and somewhat experienced technical person, there’s absolutely no reason for me to be negative on the technology other than it’s actual performance.
Could you elaborate a bit?
I'm genuinely curious. Again mostly because my (admittedly simpler setup) has worked fine (and improved with the latest software upgrades).
Some people are making broad and absolute statements (e.g., "It’s absolutely pitiful technology.", "It’s such a half-assed job so far.", "HomeKit is expensive and half baked with primitive programming compared to the competition." ) but providing little detail to tell us why they think this.
Apple's Thread Border Router code in their HomePods and AppleTV is extremely buggy. There are two significant areas that are buggy - syncing between home hubs and "sleepiness." All ATV's and HP's are home hubs and there's no way to manage which ones are used or what the priority should be. You can remove ATV's from being used but you can't remove HP's. I have eight ATV's and sixteen HomePods. The home hub "server" moves around all of those devices. Not sure why it randomly moves but that's the current design. Thread devices talk to each other and eventually connect to an ATV or HP via the network border router capability. Many times the connection at that point is unresponsive because that part of the code in ATV's and HP's appears to go into some kind of wait state. At that point many or all devices go into a "Updating" state. Also "Automations" are stored in the home hub so when you have a timed or triggered event happen that should turn on a light or whatever, but because syncing is slow or breaks, automations will run perfectly for days and then completely break and not run at all. But if you wait a few days, they'll magically start running again. Bottom line is that if you want to play with HomeKit as a hobby, it's just fine. If you need something to be reliable and not fail...for example, watering your landscape when you live in Arizona, it's not ready for prime time. *Edit* I am running the most recent 16.5 software which seemed to solve some of the problems, especially delayed actions. I ran pretty good for about ten days, then out of the blue, all automations stopped working. I did nothing, and three days later they started working again.
Wow. This demonstrates a very detailed and in-depth understanding of how this all works. Thanks for sharing this. Have you communicated any of this to Apple. I realize they are likely to be deaf to outsiders, but still it might be worth a try.
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I'm genuinely curious. Again mostly because my (admittedly simpler setup) has worked fine (and improved with the latest software upgrades).
Some people are making broad and absolute statements (e.g., "It’s absolutely pitiful technology.", "It’s such a half-assed job so far.", "HomeKit is expensive and half baked with primitive programming compared to the competition." ) but providing little detail to tell us why they think this.
I’m not going to invest hundreds or thousands of dollars on an unreliable platform “cuz Apple”. I dipped my toes in and it’s frustrating as hell. I leave my house and my door is unlocked. Fantastic.
If HomeKit can’t handle a simple operation like a deadbolt, I’m afraid I can’t trust it with anything more complex. I would love to be able to, honestly, but at this point I see it as another half baked product that has been rushed out the door without proper and rapid fixes.
Bottom line is that if you want to play with HomeKit as a hobby, it's just fine. If you need something to be reliable and not fail...for example, watering your landscape when you live in Arizona, it's not ready for prime time.
*Edit* I am running the most recent 16.5 software which seemed to solve some of the problems, especially delayed actions. I ran pretty good for about ten days, then out of the blue, all automations stopped working. I did nothing, and three days later they started working again.
Thanks for expanding on your reasoning.