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  • Reply 41 of 46
    williamlondonwilliamlondon Posts: 1,324member
    Doubling down is definitely one of the most undignified defensive manoeuvres. Take the fucking hit and learn from it.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 42 of 46
    jSnivelyjSnively Posts: 429administrator
    jdw said:
    On the contrary, I haven't complained about you at all. I have poked fun of your lack of self-awareness.


    Not "at all"???
    "On the contrary" indicates you disagree with me.  So let's ponder what you wrote earlier in response to me...

    [...]

    We run negative stories about Apple all the time, whether that be bad keyboards, overheating laptops, workers rights, etc. We are not a PR arm of Apple. The main focus of our job here is to report accurate and up-to-date information on the largest company in the world. When we veer off that focus slightly, it's because the content is Apple adjacent and it affects our user base. We are also (as far as I know) the only Apple focused publication willing to stamp rumors with a score to help keep people informed. We like talking about crazy Apple rumors too, but the context of "this is real fun to talk about" vs "hey, this is probably real" is important. 

    We wrote that article, in large part, to capture search traffic because it surfaced as something people are looking for... a lot. As Mike said earlier, it has been on our list for a while. The Twitter saga itself has been ongoing for a while now. I do not see that as us pushing an agenda so much as responding to an existing demand. I understand you take issue with the tone of the piece, but I guess the question I have for you would be what you think our responsibility is to Twitter? Should we be sanitizing our content for an external company? That kinda spits in the face of a lot of journalistic ethics. Personally, I would rather run with the author's original intent and text intact than tell them to "clean it up" so as not to upset some people. Will we always get that balance right? no, we're human after all. If we whiffed on this one, we will take the lumps.

    All that said, I do not see anything that is factually incorrect inside this article. If you think there is something please let us know and we will address it. 

    edited July 2023 DogpersonFileMakerFellerwatto_cobradewmemuthuk_vanalingam
  • Reply 43 of 46
    jdwjdw Posts: 1,339member
    jSnively said:
    We run negative stories about Apple all the time...

    ...what you think our responsibility is to Twitter? Should we be sanitizing our content for an external company? That kinda spits in the face of a lot of journalistic ethics. 

    I wasn't suggesting that AppleInsider never takes shots at Apple.  I was only saying that if it constantly did that, it would be out of place.  If anything, Macworld takes more shots at Apple than AppleInsider does.  I know this because I've been a subscriber of Macworld for decades.  And in recent years, they have been more critical of Apple that in the distant past, although I tend to agree with them on most of their jabs at Apple.  Apple isn't perfect and needs to be called out when it makes blunders, the butterfly keyboard, missing SD card slot, absence of MagSafe, being but a few examples of where Apple dropped the ball and then rectified that error some years later (thankfully).  I was quite unpopular in this very forum back in 2016 when all that was going on because most forum members said the decision was made and it was here to say.  I was mocked when I disagreed.  LOL.  Boy, were those mockers of me wrong, but I had a gut feeling they would be, and I stuck to my guns, all the while sending plenty of feedback to Apple about my dislike of their decision.  Apple listened, they made changes, and the rest is history.

    Thank you for asking what I think your responsibility is to Twitter.  The answer is, don't mimic what the mainstream tech media does, which is constantly bash Must and Twitter.  That's all I ever read these days.  Musk and Twitter aren't perfect, and I think rich people can defend themselves, but at the same time, I see more bashing of Musk and Twitter than praises, and I don't think the bad he and Twitter have done are worthy of the level of bashing they receive by the mass media.

    I use my iPhone and the Flipboard app every morning.  I read mainly tech news, but also mainstream media news.  Anything good about Musk and Twitter is relatively little and seems to be from news outlets with a conservative slant, while the bulk of the Musk/Twitter news is negativity that comes from the Left.

    Honestly, the big problem with the mass media today is bias and commentary.  On AppleInsider we expect commentary in the form of articles, but when I flip on the general  news, I really want the unbiased reporting of facts.  I don't want to see a bunch of pretty botox faces telling me what they think and therefore what they feel I should think.  I want to decide for myself.  

    When it comes to AppleInsider, I honestly come here for info on Apple.  It is APPLE insider, after all.  I like that name better than MacRumors, which is why I prefer your content over theirs, despite both offering similar news all the time.  I personally don't need content about other things, although I realize you need to put that out to be well rounded.  Twitter doesn't matter so much to me.  But what does bother me is the mostly one sided negative slant on Twitter and Musk.  So whenever I see that negativity continue, especially here where I really don't care to read about that and prefer more Apple-centric news, I moan.  And you have read my moans in this thread.  AND, you saw the FaceBook screenshots I posted, so you know I am not alone in moaning. But it isn't just moaning.  I've given you my sound reasoning for those moans.

    Should you sanitize content for an external company?  Well, how much do you reveal or hold back when it comes to Apple?  Do you honestly tell everything there is to tell?  Or do you sometimes not run certain stories for your own reasons?  You guys make the final call about the articles you publish.  You know that.  And when you release an article, regardless if reason, that seems to fit a certain narrative on a polarizing issue like Twitter, it makes some people like me who dislike that narrative moan.  Maybe that moaning doesn't matter to you.  But all I can do is provide feedback, which I have.

    Does it really "spit in the face of journalistic ethics" to decide to run a story or not?  Well, that depends.  Twitter censored a variety of things under their previous leader that it should not have, which is all the more reason why that company is just as polarizing as US politics in general.  But you should already know that.  It could be that some of you agree with that censorship or may not even want to call it censorship at all.  You may prefer the politically correct term of "moderation" when it comes to content.  But the fact is that some call into question the ethics behind the censorship of Twitter before Musk took over.

    Every news source or tech media organization has its own slant.  There's no getting around that.  Some may consider that unethical, but the media proceeds on its current path anyway, so long as that path pays the bills. Ethics be darned.

    What I appreciate about AppleInsider is the fact that the vast majority of your content is great.  And I appreciate the fact you listen to the little people like me who voice opinions.  I felt the article in question was following a particular narrative.  You seem to disagree.  So we can agree to disagree on this matter and move on.

    All in all, I appreciate what you folks do.  Keep up the great work.  Best wishes.
    williamlondon
  • Reply 44 of 46
    jdw said:
    On the contrary, I haven't complained about you at all. I have poked fun of your lack of self-awareness.


    Not "at all"???
    "On the contrary" indicates you disagree with me.  So let's ponder what you wrote earlier in response to me...

    "...having to listen to you complain that AppleInsider had the audacity to publish accurate information....... what exactly are you afraid of in this situation, why does knowledge frighten you?"

    Go ahead and label your reply to me as merely "poking fun" if you will, but I view that as a thinly veiled complaint of me.  And of course, I think it's rather crazy too because the "knowledge" you speak of is the heart of the matter.  So let's dive deeper into "knowledge" and "accurate information," shall we?

    My opening post on page 1 of this thread was about the OTHER related AppleInsider article, under which we are prohibited from posting comments (although FaceBook does allow them under that same article, funny as that is).  The title of that other related article is "How to delete your Twitter account on iOS & the web."

    As many have commented under that article on FaceBook, regardless of the motivations of AppleInsider in publishing that article, it does come off as a "suggestion" rather than general help that countless people have been asking for.  Disagree? Think I and others are misreading that article as being a "suggestion"?  Consider this...

    One would be blind or ignorant NOT to know of all the articles the tech media in general puts out every single day which bash Musk and Twitter in one way or another.  It's largely negative, as if the tech media thought extremely well of Twitter prior to Musks purchase, but now despises Twitter mainly because of Musk and because of changes to Twitter that the tech media FEELS are not in the best interest of everyone.  It's also easy to pile on the bashing when everyone else in your tech media industry is doing the same; and since Twitter and Musk aren't Apple, it's not like AppleInsider is speaking anything negative about the company we all know and love.  So while bashing Apple on a site named AppleInsider would be taboo, not so of Twitter and Musk which aren't a part of Apple.  It's gloves-off when it comes to Twitter!

    When you as an AppleInsider or tech-media reader understand that generally NEGATIVE sentiment about Musk and Twitter very much exists, and then you come along and spot an article on one of your favorite Apple-focused news sources that is titled "How to delete your Twitter account on iOS & the web," it's pretty darned hard NOT to think of that being yet another article in a stream of others which take that same tired, negative narrative about Musk and Twitter.  

    It's not like the article says: "We like Twitter, but we realize some people don't, so here's how to delete your account."  That would be more positive, upbeat, and would break with the generally negative narrative of the tech media.  Such wording would establish an article about account deletion being more of a helpful FYI than a subtle suggestion.  Sorry to say though, the opening paragraph in that article actually takes the negative tone I just referred to by saying: "Given how things are going on Twitter, and the options that have cropped up lately, folks are looking for the exit."  

    Wow.  No wonder people like myself view the article as more of a suggestion than a mere FYI article which only resulted because of so many people asking for it!

    Note the statement: "given how things are going."  

    Friends, how ARE things going?  According to the tech media in general, as I just said, they would say things at Twitter are not going well.  And yet, not all Twitter users take that stance.  They view it more as a battle for the mind.

    The topic of Twitter is as polarizing as the topic of politics in general in the USA today.  Why? Because it is inseparably tied to politics!  As such, articles written about Twitter need to take that into account, not with comment bans, but with a more neutral tone in article titles and wording.

    The "given how things are going" statement reinforces why some of us spotted the article title, read the opening paragraph, and then began to think or say what many article commenters on FaceBook are saying (see my earlier post for two screenshot).  Some of us just want the tech media to back off the Twitter/Musk negatively and complaining, and let change play itself out in a free market, capitalistic system.  

    If people jettison Twitter from their lives because they simply don't need it or dislike it, NOT because the tech media or TV news dislike Twitter and constantly influence them to dislike it, great!  But who lives in a bubble, totally ignorant of tech media negativity about Twitter? If you like or dislike something based on suggestions you receive from the news media at large, rather than from personal experience, well, that is mainly on you; but the media who feed that info to us has a responsibility too.

    In the end, if people dislike Twitter, they will leave it.  But I contend they don't need to be subtly prodded to leave by "given how things are going" statements which exist as an indirect recommendation to Twitter users to consider deleting their Twitter account.  What I have written in this thread merely takes issue with that, and as per comments we see on Facebook, I am not alone.

    So much for the claim that you merely "poked fun at my lack of self-awareness" and you are a defender of "accurate information."

    Wow, you are really emotionally invested in Twitter and Elon Musk. 

    An AppleInsider once had this great advice. I think it might be useful to you in your current state. 

    “Calm down.  Take a deep breath.  Look outside at the beautiful world instead of your mobile phone.  Think positive thoughts rather than be so critical.  There is a batter way.  Most people simply chose not to pursue it.”


    watto_cobrawilliamlondon
  • Reply 45 of 46
    jdwjdw Posts: 1,339member
    Wow, you are really emotionally invested in Twitter and Elon Musk. 

    An AppleInsider once had this great advice. I think it might be useful to you in your current state. 

    “Calm down.  Take a deep breath.  Look outside at the beautiful world instead of your mobile phone.  Think positive thoughts rather than be so critical.  There is a batter way.  Most people simply chose not to pursue it.”


    Friend, you continue to misread people such as myself entirely if you believe I am somehow NOT calm or positive.  My closing remarks in my previous post prove that I am both calm and upbeat overall. Ditto my previous post.

    I am rather amused that you quoted something I wrote in an attempt to use it against me to make your point, but that fails for reasons I am now explaining.

    You are mistaken yet again in suggesting that I have some kind of unusual "emotional investment" in Musk/Twitter.  As I just explained, in what I had hoped was crystal clear English, my entire view of this matter is simply as someone who dislikes being inundated with all the Twitter/Musk news, especially since a lot of it is negative.  And here on AppleInsider, where we have a focus mainly on Apple, I even more so wish to keep the focus on Apple.  I just said all that, and I am repeating it again for you because you continue to misread me completely, probably because you disagree with me and are trying to create some kind of defense of your position.

    Next, please remember that some of us who were born in the early 70's don't have the old Twitter character limit tied to our brain which limits the amount of text we type. :smile:  In other words, typing several paragraphs and explaining a matter in great detail to people who don't fully understand you doesn't translate into someone being out of control or overly negative at all, especially since I am expressing thoughts about "negativity" by the news media.  

    You also need to consider how long I have been in this forum and then reflect on the fact my total number of posts are rather few for the years I've been here, thus proving that I do NOT live in this forum.  I do in fact go outside and view the world around me AND enjoy it.  I simply am adept at typing (and I type fast too), as well as at sharing detailed thoughts.

    Lastly, I don't type all this on a mobile phone.  That would be silly.  I use my Mac.  

    Hopefully, this finally clarifies the matter so I can move on to more important and pressing things in my life. :smiley: If it doesn't, you are free to get the last word in because this concludes my thoughts.  I've said all that needs to be said to clarify my thinking and intentions.

    I wish you a nice day!
    edited July 2023 williamlondon
  • Reply 46 of 46
    williamlondonwilliamlondon Posts: 1,324member
    jdw said:
    Wow, you are really emotionally invested in Twitter and Elon Musk. 

    An AppleInsider once had this great advice. I think it might be useful to you in your current state. 

    “Calm down.  Take a deep breath.  Look outside at the beautiful world instead of your mobile phone.  Think positive thoughts rather than be so critical.  There is a batter way.  Most people simply chose not to pursue it.”


    Friend... [not]

    [followed by a bunch of mansplain' and offensive, "I'm older than you and therefore I'm going to talk down to you" shit]
    Keep digging that hole, bud [not a bud], you just keep proving what we all already think about you.
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