It doesn't make ANY sense at all for Google to still be paying this. If Google stopped paying this tomorrow, what is Apple supposed to do? They're not going to change the default search engine on 2 billion iPhones out of spite.
Not out of spite, no. They might do it for money from someone else though, since for now it's Google who are in the dock, not Apple. Microsoft will probably be running the numbers.
So stupid. There is no antitrust when you have options. Apple provides them in settings.
Google isn’t the only option. Enabled by default is fine. Let apple do business the way they want.
While what you say makes sense, it doesn't explain to me the reason for the massive payment. The fact that the payment exists implies a cartel to me.
Do you know what a cartel is? If there are other options then it’s not a cartel.
Secretly agreeing not to compete. Payment for not releasing the Apple search engine. Let's be realistic, if Google is the best search engine and it's easy for users to switch then they won't pay Apple that sort of money to be the default.
It doesn't make ANY sense at all for Google to still be paying this. If Google stopped paying this tomorrow, what is Apple supposed to do? They're not going to change the default search engine on 2 billion iPhones out of spite.
Not out of spite, no. They might do it for money from someone else though, since for now it's Google who are in the dock, not Apple. Microsoft will probably be running the numbers.
That doesn't compute. If Google were to stop paying this because of being forced to, no one else is going to dumb enough to slide into the same role and open themselves up to the exact same scrutiny.
It doesn't make ANY sense at all for Google to still be paying this. If Google stopped paying this tomorrow, what is Apple supposed to do? They're not going to change the default search engine on 2 billion iPhones out of spite.
Not out of spite, no. They might do it for money from someone else though, since for now it's Google who are in the dock, not Apple. Microsoft will probably be running the numbers.
That doesn't compute. If Google were to stop paying this because of being forced to, no one else is going to dumb enough to slide into the same role and open themselves up to the exact same scrutiny.
I think the DOJ would have a hard time arguing that Bing has enough market impact to prompt an anti trust investigation.
As Microsoft found out both in the United States vs. Microsoft antitrust case and the European case, "enabled by default" can absolutely constitute an antitrust issue, because the vast majority of users never ever touch their defaults.
It's weird how twenty years later, people are still perpetuating weird myths that have long been dispelled by actual (very expensive) court cases.
Are you both aware that the DOJ case, initially ruled against MS, was overturned on appeal? The actual settlement between DOJ and MS was much less onerous than the judge's overreaching decision.
As Microsoft found out both in the United States vs. Microsoft antitrust case and the European case, "enabled by default" can absolutely constitute an antitrust issue, because the vast majority of users never ever touch their defaults.
It's weird how twenty years later, people are still perpetuating weird myths that have long been dispelled by actual (very expensive) court cases.
Are you both aware that the DOJ case, initially ruled against MS, was overturned on appeal? The actual settlement between DOJ and MS was much less onerous than the judge's overreaching decision.
Yes, I am aware of this. A settlement is not a win, and it was still rather expensive.
The EU case involved both Windows media Player and Internet Explorer, and Microsoft paid the 500 million € fine in full.
Might as well start suing manufacturers who pay for specific shelf space at stores. How about all of the exclusive advertising deals that companies make with teams and these are much more up front "Official plumbing company" of some football team. We the consumer are forced to look at that company's name plastered all of the stadium and even here mention of it. The teams are getting paid by those companies for the position.
The best part about this is if given the choice 99.99% of the people in the world will pick Google because that is the name they know. Yes a few zealots would to with Duck Duck Go and a handful with Bing, but those are insignificant. Google is paying to make it convenient to select them.
The best part about this is if given the choice 99.99% of the people in the world will pick Google because that is the name they know. Yes a few zealots would to with Duck Duck Go and a handful with Bing, but those are insignificant. Google is paying to make it convenient to select them.
If a different search engine were made the default, the majority of users would be using that. Years of tech support taught me: Most people don’t touch defaults unless they know to or somebody directs them to.
If they put up a splash screen with options, most people would opt for Google, but a non-significant number would just pick the first one on the list.
The best part about this is if given the choice 99.99% of the people in the world will pick Google because that is the name they know. Yes a few zealots would to with Duck Duck Go and a handful with Bing, but those are insignificant. Google is paying to make it convenient to select them.
If a different search engine were made the default, the majority of users would be using that. Years of tech support taught me: Most people don’t touch defaults unless they know to or somebody directs them to.
If they put up a splash screen with options, most people would opt for Google, but a non-significant number would just pick the first one on the list.
I don't know how accurate that would be. Bing is the default on Window 11, and MS is aggressive at making it so. Yet Google is by far the preferred browser even tho you have to actively go looking for it to download since Microsoft won't offer it to you as an option.
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