Apple promises 'scary fast' Mac announcement the night of October 30

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  • Reply 41 of 53
    FlappoFlappo Posts: 22unconfirmed, member
    iWant iMac
    Alex1Nwatto_cobra
  • Reply 42 of 53
    eightzeroeightzero Posts: 3,048member
    eightzero said:

    What I was trying to write, and didn't, was for a desktop experience, maybe we are at a stage where a MacBook (yes thats a mac and my bad for being particularly bad about implying otherwise) can feed a nice desktop sized display...or maybe a iPad or even iPhone will do that. I'm reminded of my very first Mac, the PowerBook Duo 230 with a docking station. But still...the macOS (and iOS and PadOS) need help being much simpler. I think that was what I was trying to express, but didn't.
    What on earth are you talking about? Are you somehow unaware you can use a desktop display with a MacBook or iPad, and now the iPhone with USB-C?

    What do you mean they "need help being much simpler"? For whom? I don't see many people struggling to use these devices, do you?
    I do. The macOS in particular needs a "moron mode" or similar to turn off all the "features" that are of limited use to a basic user. And stuff needs to work intuitively. Example: the macOS now has a "send later" feature in Apple Mail. It just...doesn't work. And why can't I make Messages show a HUGE font for people who can't see very well? And let's not talk about how to set up a print, a network connection, or good lord even a simple POP email address. Mission Control? Launch Pad? Shared Photos? Sure, this stuff works...but let me introduce you to the people I know that want to send and receive email, print out store coupons for their weekly shopping trip, and be able to take texts from others who don't use the telephone. And. Nothing. Else. Just try to sell them on a mac these days. 

    God help you if you put an iPad in their hand, and they erroneously make a hand gesture that makes things "disappear" or "vanish off the screen." I opened someone's browser they had been using on an iPad, and it had dozens of tabbed windows,,,because they had no idea how to close or use them. Yes, they lack knowledge. But they just wanted to read a news article, not learn the intricacies of how to run a display. Yes, maybe tech is not for them, but the alternatives just aren't there for many people. 

    Yes, I do know you can plug a MacBook and iPad into an external monitor. But Apple doesn't make it easy like they did with the duo docking station.  
    FlappoAlex1Nwatto_cobra
  • Reply 43 of 53
    eightzeroeightzero Posts: 3,048member
    NYC362 said:
    eightzero said:
    We likely agree on much, and your points are fair and accurate. However, when I said the mac is not for you, I wasn't clear. I did not intend to suggest the PC as an a
    What I was trying to write, and didn't, was for a desktop experience, maybe we are at a stage where a MacBook (yes thats a mac and my bad for being particularly bad about implying otherwise) can feed a nice desktop sized display...or maybe a iPad or even iPhone will do that. I'm reminded of my very first Mac, the PowerBook Duo 230 with a docking station. But still...the macOS (and iOS and PadOS) need help being much simpler. I think that was what I was trying to express, but didn't.

    My last iMac was a mid 2009 27" version. I would still be using it, but it has developed thermal problems requiring manual control of the internal fans, making it noisy. 


    Yes...this makes a lot more sense than how I saw your original post.  I'm an Expert in a store and many customers do not want both a desktop and laptop...and your idea- laptop and external monitor is a common suggestion.  In fact, when the Air, iMac, and Mini were all M1, I would tell customers, they are for the most part, the same computer in a different form factor.

    Beyond that, the Air is more than enough computer for a large majority of users.  
    I do t know what you’re seeing in that store, but I and everyone I work with want desktops AND laptops. Apples OS tools and services make it s piece of cake to keep systems synced. Dropbox is great too. 

    I hate setting up my laptop all the time. All I want to do with it is open the lid… and then… close the lid. Just keep the desktop in one spot and travel with the notebook.
    I hear you. But the screen is just too damn small for *everything*. Some things need me to sit at a desk with a glorious 27" 4k monitor  and a keyboard and a mouse at the ready. Be kinda cool if I could slide my laptop (or iPad?) into a slot and presto. Like I did with my Duo 230. Sure, there are stands and port dongles etc etc and I can sort of do that now by plugging things and fiddling around with settings in the monitor. But, like the M5, this is perhaps even practical...but not desirable. 
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 44 of 53
    XedXed Posts: 2,489member
    eightzero said:
    eightzero said:

    What I was trying to write, and didn't, was for a desktop experience, maybe we are at a stage where a MacBook (yes thats a mac and my bad for being particularly bad about implying otherwise) can feed a nice desktop sized display...or maybe a iPad or even iPhone will do that. I'm reminded of my very first Mac, the PowerBook Duo 230 with a docking station. But still...the macOS (and iOS and PadOS) need help being much simpler. I think that was what I was trying to express, but didn't.
    What on earth are you talking about? Are you somehow unaware you can use a desktop display with a MacBook or iPad, and now the iPhone with USB-C?

    What do you mean they "need help being much simpler"? For whom? I don't see many people struggling to use these devices, do you?
    I do. The macOS in particular needs a "moron mode" or similar to turn off all the "features" that are of limited use to a basic user. And stuff needs to work intuitively. Example: the macOS now has a "send later" feature in Apple Mail. It just...doesn't work. And why can't I make Messages show a HUGE font for people who can't see very well? And let's not talk about how to set up a print, a network connection, or good lord even a simple POP email address. Mission Control? Launch Pad? Shared Photos? Sure, this stuff works...but let me introduce you to the people I know that want to send and receive email, print out store coupons for their weekly shopping trip, and be able to take texts from others who don't use the telephone. And. Nothing. Else. Just try to sell them on a mac these days. 

    God help you if you put an iPad in their hand, and they erroneously make a hand gesture that makes things "disappear" or "vanish off the screen." I opened someone's browser they had been using on an iPad, and it had dozens of tabbed windows,,,because they had no idea how to close or use them. Yes, they lack knowledge. But they just wanted to read a news article, not learn the intricacies of how to run a display. Yes, maybe tech is not for them, but the alternatives just aren't there for many people. 

    Yes, I do know you can plug a MacBook and iPad into an external monitor. But Apple doesn't make it easy like they did with the duo docking station.  
    Maybe macOS is no longer for you since all those things work. If using an Apple product is too difficult then Android, Windows, and Linux aren't going to be better solutions. 

    Apple even offers two places in which to adjust the font size for Messages.


    Alex1Nronnwilliamlondonwatto_cobra
  • Reply 45 of 53
    FlappoFlappo Posts: 22unconfirmed, member
    eightzero said:
    eightzero said:

    What I was trying to write, and didn't, was for a desktop experience, maybe we are at a stage where a MacBook (yes thats a mac and my bad for being particularly bad about implying otherwise) can feed a nice desktop sized display...or maybe a iPad or even iPhone will do that. I'm reminded of my very first Mac, the PowerBook Duo 230 with a docking station. But still...the macOS (and iOS and PadOS) need help being much simpler. I think that was what I was trying to express, but didn't.
    What on earth are you talking about? Are you somehow unaware you can use a desktop display with a MacBook or iPad, and now the iPhone with USB-C?

    What do you mean they "need help being much simpler"? For whom? I don't see many people struggling to use these devices, do you?
    I do. The macOS in particular needs a "moron mode" or similar to turn off all the "features" that are of limited use to a basic user. And stuff needs to work intuitively. Example: the macOS now has a "send later" feature in Apple Mail. It just...doesn't work. And why can't I make Messages show a HUGE font for people who can't see very well? And let's not talk about how to set up a print, a network connection, or good lord even a simple POP email address. Mission Control? Launch Pad? Shared Photos? Sure, this stuff works...but let me introduce you to the people I know that want to send and receive email, print out store coupons for their weekly shopping trip, and be able to take texts from others who don't use the telephone. And. Nothing. Else. Just try to sell them on a mac these days. 

    God help you if you put an iPad in their hand, and they erroneously make a hand gesture that makes things "disappear" or "vanish off the screen." I opened someone's browser they had been using on an iPad, and it had dozens of tabbed windows,,,because they had no idea how to close or use them. Yes, they lack knowledge. But they just wanted to read a news article, not learn the intricacies of how to run a display. Yes, maybe tech is not for them, but the alternatives just aren't there for many people. 

    Yes, I do know you can plug a MacBook and iPad into an external monitor. But Apple doesn't make it easy like they did with the duo docking station.  
    Excellent Post and so very true
    williamlondonwatto_cobra
  • Reply 46 of 53
    Alex1NAlex1N Posts: 127member
    eightzero said:
    eightzero said:

    What I was trying to write, and didn't, was for a desktop experience, maybe we are at a stage where a MacBook (yes thats a mac and my bad for being particularly bad about implying otherwise) can feed a nice desktop sized display...or maybe a iPad or even iPhone will do that. I'm reminded of my very first Mac, the PowerBook Duo 230 with a docking station. But still...the macOS (and iOS and PadOS) need help being much simpler. I think that was what I was trying to express, but didn't.
    What on earth are you talking about? Are you somehow unaware you can use a desktop display with a MacBook or iPad, and now the iPhone with USB-C?

    What do you mean they "need help being much simpler"? For whom? I don't see many people struggling to use these devices, do you?
    <snip>

    God help you if you put an iPad in their hand, and they erroneously make a hand gesture that makes things "disappear" or "vanish off the screen." I opened someone's browser they had been using on an iPad, and it had dozens of tabbed windows,,,because they had no idea how to close or use them. Yes, they lack knowledge. But they just wanted to read a news article, not learn the intricacies of how to run a display. Yes, maybe tech is not for them, but the alternatives just aren't there for many people. 
    Well, I’m an experienced computer, iphone and ipad user, and the touch-screen iPhone and iPad gesture booby traps DRIVE ME UP THE FLAMING WALL. Especially as you can’t turn them off AND they seem to be very sparsely documented. I’ve looked. And as for text handling on the touch interfaces, what a dog’s breakfast that’s become, and I’m being unkind to dogs. If I never had to encounter another touch-screen gesture ever again it would be too soon. So I’m with you there, Eightzero (not so much on the Mac issue though).
    Flappowilliamlondonwatto_cobra
  • Reply 47 of 53
    eightzero said:
    I'm all for choices and options. I am sure these new "scary fast" macs will be important to many people. And at some point in the future, I know I will benefit from them as I replace my gear. But...I have abandoned the iMac line, after using many many iterations of it, in favor of a third party 4k display and mac mini that serves my present needs. I am not a "pro" user and what I'd really like is a reliable, easy to use home desktop computer for simple, everyday tasks. 

    Apple does not make devices that appeal to low cost consumers. If you want a simple desktop computer, the mac is not for you. I do like the interoperability between the varied devices, so one intriguing possibility is that Apple does make a more versatile and affordable monitor "system" that can display, on a desktop, content from any source - iPhone, iPad, legacy devices like a mac mini, or...straight from internet sources, and just skip any local processing or storage.  

    YMMV. 
    I don’t understand what this gets you that you can’t already do - unless you mean cheaper?

    New Ways to Work Across Apple Devices

    Working across Apple devices is now better than ever with new Continuity features:
    • Universal Control lets users work with a single mouse and keyboard and move between Mac and iPad for a seamless experience, with no setup required. Users can even drag and drop content back and forth between devices — great for sketching a drawing with Apple Pencil on iPad and placing it into a Keynote slide on the Mac.
    • With AirPlay to Mac, users can play, present, and share just about anything — from the latest movies and games to vacation photos and presentations — from their iPhone or iPad right to their Mac’s stunning Retina display. The Mac’s high-fidelity sound system can also be used as an AirPlay speaker, so users can play music or podcasts on their Mac, or use their Mac as a secondary speaker for multiroom audio.

    ronnwatto_cobra
  • Reply 48 of 53
    eightzeroeightzero Posts: 3,048member
    Xed said:
    eightzero said:
    eightzero said:

    What I was trying to write, and didn't, was for a desktop experience, maybe we are at a stage where a MacBook (yes thats a mac and my bad for being particularly bad about implying otherwise) can feed a nice desktop sized display...or maybe a iPad or even iPhone will do that. I'm reminded of my very first Mac, the PowerBook Duo 230 with a docking station. But still...the macOS (and iOS and PadOS) need help being much simpler. I think that was what I was trying to express, but didn't.
    What on earth are you talking about? Are you somehow unaware you can use a desktop display with a MacBook or iPad, and now the iPhone with USB-C?

    What do you mean they "need help being much simpler"? For whom? I don't see many people struggling to use these devices, do you?
    I do. The macOS in particular needs a "moron mode" or similar to turn off all the "features" that are of limited use to a basic user. And stuff needs to work intuitively. Example: the macOS now has a "send later" feature in Apple Mail. It just...doesn't work. And why can't I make Messages show a HUGE font for people who can't see very well? And let's not talk about how to set up a print, a network connection, or good lord even a simple POP email address. Mission Control? Launch Pad? Shared Photos? Sure, this stuff works...but let me introduce you to the people I know that want to send and receive email, print out store coupons for their weekly shopping trip, and be able to take texts from others who don't use the telephone. And. Nothing. Else. Just try to sell them on a mac these days. 

    God help you if you put an iPad in their hand, and they erroneously make a hand gesture that makes things "disappear" or "vanish off the screen." I opened someone's browser they had been using on an iPad, and it had dozens of tabbed windows,,,because they had no idea how to close or use them. Yes, they lack knowledge. But they just wanted to read a news article, not learn the intricacies of how to run a display. Yes, maybe tech is not for them, but the alternatives just aren't there for many people. 

    Yes, I do know you can plug a MacBook and iPad into an external monitor. But Apple doesn't make it easy like they did with the duo docking station.  
    Maybe macOS is no longer for you since all those things work. If using an Apple product is too difficult then Android, Windows, and Linux aren't going to be better solutions. 

    Apple even offers two places in which to adjust the font size for Messages.


    Unh hunh. And just exactly where is this control panel you've attached? I'm not trying to be obtuse or argumentative, but it is in an obvious place? In the Messages app, there is a "View" item on the menu bar. Does it appear there? No. Appearance on the system prefs? No. To find this you have to search for it - and it turns up in "accessibility." Why is adjusting a font size an "accessibility" feature?

    Look...I like the macOS, but I've lived with it on a daily basis since...well...the late 20th century. But when things go wrong, and you try to find things, it is always a chore to find a solution. It just tries too hard to be everything to everyone. There's features I just don't want or need, and want to turn off. And some...that simply don't work. Like "send later" and oh don't get me started on using the iPhone camera in FaceTime. 

    YMMV. 
    williamlondonmuthuk_vanalingamwatto_cobra
  • Reply 49 of 53
    JinTechJinTech Posts: 1,015member
    Finally, the PowerBook G5!
    williamlondonwatto_cobra
  • Reply 50 of 53
    thttht Posts: 5,367member
    JinTech said:
    Finally, the PowerBook G5!
    Hehe, little did we know how prescient those Powerbook G5 renders were!  :D

    Looking at gaming laptops, er, workstation laptops, in the PC world, they are basically Powerbook G5 laptops in principle if not in form. 1.7" thick, 8 lbs, 300 W. 2 lb power adaptors.

    Regarding iPad multitasking gestures, yup, they are too easy to mistakenly do. It's curious failure in the iPadOS UI team. They are fighting tooth and nail to prevent app displays from completely covering background app displays in Stage Manager, theoretically to protect novice users from "losing" where their "window went", but they've left this "long press and drag" to put an app into Split View or Slide Over for about 6 years now. Perhaps they think users want speed with it, but I don't any users need it to be fast. They really need it to be deterministic: long press to preview, but there needs to be distinct drop zone for Split View or Slide Over. Currently, it is a gestural heuristic of long press and drag. It really should be a long press to pickup, drag to a zone like the top of the display, time delay, and the Slide Over animation starts. Similar for Slide Over but perhaps to one side. Or, the user must drag across half the display.

    It's curious why they haven't fixed this. Obviously, a book needs to be written on what was going on from 2012 to 2018 time frame.
    muthuk_vanalingamwatto_cobra
  • Reply 51 of 53
    XedXed Posts: 2,489member
    eightzero said:
    Xed said:
    eightzero said:
    eightzero said:

    What I was trying to write, and didn't, was for a desktop experience, maybe we are at a stage where a MacBook (yes thats a mac and my bad for being particularly bad about implying otherwise) can feed a nice desktop sized display...or maybe a iPad or even iPhone will do that. I'm reminded of my very first Mac, the PowerBook Duo 230 with a docking station. But still...the macOS (and iOS and PadOS) need help being much simpler. I think that was what I was trying to express, but didn't.
    What on earth are you talking about? Are you somehow unaware you can use a desktop display with a MacBook or iPad, and now the iPhone with USB-C?

    What do you mean they "need help being much simpler"? For whom? I don't see many people struggling to use these devices, do you?
    I do. The macOS in particular needs a "moron mode" or similar to turn off all the "features" that are of limited use to a basic user. And stuff needs to work intuitively. Example: the macOS now has a "send later" feature in Apple Mail. It just...doesn't work. And why can't I make Messages show a HUGE font for people who can't see very well? And let's not talk about how to set up a print, a network connection, or good lord even a simple POP email address. Mission Control? Launch Pad? Shared Photos? Sure, this stuff works...but let me introduce you to the people I know that want to send and receive email, print out store coupons for their weekly shopping trip, and be able to take texts from others who don't use the telephone. And. Nothing. Else. Just try to sell them on a mac these days. 

    God help you if you put an iPad in their hand, and they erroneously make a hand gesture that makes things "disappear" or "vanish off the screen." I opened someone's browser they had been using on an iPad, and it had dozens of tabbed windows,,,because they had no idea how to close or use them. Yes, they lack knowledge. But they just wanted to read a news article, not learn the intricacies of how to run a display. Yes, maybe tech is not for them, but the alternatives just aren't there for many people. 

    Yes, I do know you can plug a MacBook and iPad into an external monitor. But Apple doesn't make it easy like they did with the duo docking station.  
    Maybe macOS is no longer for you since all those things work. If using an Apple product is too difficult then Android, Windows, and Linux aren't going to be better solutions. 

    Apple even offers two places in which to adjust the font size for Messages.


    Unh hunh. And just exactly where is this control panel you've attached? I'm not trying to be obtuse or argumentative, but it is in an obvious place? In the Messages app, there is a "View" item on the menu bar. Does it appear there? No. Appearance on the system prefs? No. To find this you have to search for it - and it turns up in "accessibility." Why is adjusting a font size an "accessibility" feature?

    Look...I like the macOS, but I've lived with it on a daily basis since...well...the late 20th century. But when things go wrong, and you try to find things, it is always a chore to find a solution. It just tries too hard to be everything to everyone. There's features I just don't want or need, and want to turn off. And some...that simply don't work. Like "send later" and oh don't get me started on using the iPhone camera in FaceTime. 

    YMMV. 
    Either go to the settings for Messages or for macOS. In MacOS there is a search bar where you can quickly and easily search for any keyword you’d like, like “text size”. The ability to search for and alter settings is a longstanding feature.
    ronnwatto_cobra
  • Reply 52 of 53
    danoxdanox Posts: 2,714member
    danox said:
    tyler82 said:
    All the chronic rumor deniers eating crow right now.
    Will gladly, eat crow if Apple reintroduces a new 27 inch iMac at least someone will get to use the re-introduction of a great all-in-one Mac computer, too late for me I had to buy a Max Headroom Mac……
    You might as well enjoy it then. Here’s a suggestion from ChatGPT. Please, let us know if you liked it.


    **Crow Pie**:

    **Ingredients**:
    1. 2-3 cleaned and dressed crows
    2. Salt and pepper, to taste
    3. 1/2 cup chopped onions
    4. 1/2 cup chopped celery
    5. 1/4 cup chopped carrots
    6. 2 cloves garlic, minced
    7. 2 cups chicken or vegetable broth
    8. 1/2 cup red wine (optional)
    9. 2 tsp fresh thyme or 1 tsp dried thyme
    10. 2 tsp fresh rosemary or 1 tsp dried rosemary
    11. Pie crust (store-bought or homemade)
    12. 1 egg, beaten (for egg wash)
    13. 2 tbsp butter or oil

    **Instructions**:

    1. **Preparation of Crow**:
        a. Pluck the feathers from the crow and clean them thoroughly.
        b. Cut them into serving pieces.
        
    2. **Cooking**:
        a. In a large pan or Dutch oven, heat butter or oil over medium heat.
        b. Add the crow pieces and brown on all sides.
        c. Remove the crow and set aside.
        d. In the same pan, add onions, celery, carrots, and garlic. Sauté until the vegetables are soft.
        e. Add the wine (if using) and scrape the bottom of the pan to deglaze.
        f. Return the crow pieces to the pan. Add the broth, thyme, and rosemary.
        g. Cover and let simmer for about 1.5 to 2 hours or until the crow meat is tender and fully cooked.
        
    3. **Pie Assembly**:
        a. Preheat your oven to 375°F (190°C).
        b. Roll out the pie crust and place one in the bottom of a pie dish.
        c. Remove the crow pieces from the stew and place them on the pie crust.
        d. Pour the vegetable and broth mixture over the crow.
        e. Place the second pie crust on top, crimp the edges, and cut a few slits in the top to allow steam to escape.
        f. Brush the top with the beaten egg to give it a golden color when baked.
        
    4. **Baking**:
        a. Place the pie in the preheated oven and bake for about 30-40 minutes or until the crust is golden brown.
        b. Remove from the oven and let it cool slightly before serving.

    Enjoy your crow pie with a side of mashed potatoes or a green salad. Remember, like all wild game, ensure the crow is cooked thoroughly to avoid any potential illnesses.

    😋

    A double helping if Apple includes target display mode on the iMac’s…….
    watto_cobra
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