As an Apple shareholder, I would demand that any third party App Store, pay upfront their fair share to Apple for all R&D, marketing, IP, transportation, security and other associated yearly expenses and costs that Apple bears in making and maintaining its various devices and associated software products.
The walled garden is going away. The iPhone and iPad will move more and more to the Mac model. You are going to have to start learning to deal with it and decide how you want to move forward with your investment. Apple is going to have to start learning to deal with it too. Then have become too dependent on the iPhone and a watch, self driving car, weather app, and VR are not going to move the company forward like the iPhone did. Cook has done a great job generating iterative changes to make money but under his leadership Apple has missed on search, cloud, AI etc. In comparison MS moved into other areas after they lost the phone wars and somehow managed to closed on Friday as the world’s most valuable company, doing it without a phone type device or a map app.
Today, it’s Apple. Tomorrow, it’s America. The fewer Nordic socialist types on American soil, the better.
P.S. MS don’t produce jack in consumer electronics. If you ain’t no boring corporate type, you’ll hardly ever buy anything from them.
...or if you are a gamer. Windows is the only option for gamers, no one is going to buy a Mac.
(Which is kinda hilarious if you remember how Apple portrayed Windows in the Mac vs PC ads)
As an Apple shareholder, I would demand that any third party App Store, pay upfront their fair share to Apple for all R&D, marketing, IP, transportation, security and other associated yearly expenses and costs that Apple bears in making and maintaining its various devices and associated software products.
The walled garden is going away. The iPhone and iPad will move more and more to the Mac model. You are going to have to start learning to deal with it and decide how you want to move forward with your investment. Apple is going to have to start learning to deal with it too. Then have become too dependent on the iPhone and a watch, self driving car, weather app, and VR are not going to move the company forward like the iPhone did. Cook has done a great job generating iterative changes to make money but under his leadership Apple has missed on search, cloud, AI etc. In comparison MS moved into other areas after they lost the phone wars and somehow managed to closed on Friday as the world’s most valuable company, doing it without a phone type device or a map app.
Today, it’s Apple. Tomorrow, it’s America. The fewer Nordic socialist types on American soil, the better.
P.S. MS don’t produce jack in consumer electronics. If you ain’t no boring corporate type, you’ll hardly ever buy anything from them.
...or if you are a gamer. Windows is the only option for gamers, no one is going to buy a Mac.
(Which is kinda hilarious if you remember how Apple portrayed Windows in the Mac vs PC ads)
LOL...mobile gaming revenue is larger than Windows/console gaming revenue combined. That's one of the reasons Epic/Microsoft went running to legislators with an army of lobbyists in order to try and force Apple to allow third party stores. Success in EU, failure in US.
Apple could create a new phone exclusively for the EU called ePhone which uses the same hardware as the iPhone but runs Android instead. Then Europe will have to complain to Google which writes the OS for it.
Why do I absolutely love this idea. It’s absurd but hilariously great. 😎
It works reasonably well on the Mac, but it does add complexity for the user.
The complexity begins with adding another store. I imagine that most consumers will stick with the default store and never even know that others exist.
I don’t get it. Why won’t Vestager mention any kind of obligation for developers to also publish on Apple’s App Store? Otherwise, this would be a massive intrusion into my private life as a customer. Suppose Adobe or whatnot decided they’d distribute their software through their own ‘store’ only. That would effectively force their customers to use that ‘store’ with possibly zero quality control assured.
Why is that a problem?
Right now, there are probably (tens of?) thousands of apps not being sold at all because developers can't or won't comply with the App Store terms.
If Adobe puts up their own distribution service, it'll work the same way it has for a while now on MacOS and on Windows.
As an Apple shareholder, I would demand that any third party App Store, pay upfront their fair share to Apple for all R&D, marketing, IP, transportation, security and other associated yearly expenses and costs that Apple bears in making and maintaining its various devices and associated software products.
The walled garden is going away. The iPhone and iPad will move more and more to the Mac model. You are going to have to start learning to deal with it and decide how you want to move forward with your investment. Apple is going to have to start learning to deal with it too. Then have become too dependent on the iPhone and a watch, self driving car, weather app, and VR are not going to move the company forward like the iPhone did. Cook has done a great job generating iterative changes to make money but under his leadership Apple has missed on search, cloud, AI etc. In comparison MS moved into other areas after they lost the phone wars and somehow managed to closed on Friday as the world’s most valuable company, doing it without a phone type device or a map app.
Today, it’s Apple. Tomorrow, it’s America. The fewer Nordic socialist types on American soil, the better.
P.S. MS don’t produce jack in consumer electronics. If you ain’t no boring corporate type, you’ll hardly ever buy anything from them.
I don't know. I see quite a few Surface tablets at university. Not nearly as many as Macs and iPads, but still.
I’m sure what the point of her visit is — other than a power status move to make herself think she is somehow on the same level as the CEOs of the largest tech companies in the world — these companies that innovate, produce, and employ. What exactly does Vestager do?
Vestager was elected by governments from 27 countries and confirmed by the directly elected EU parliament to ensure that the EU market is fair to all companies. That is in the interest of all. Her task is to deliver on that democratic mandate, and that is exactly what she is doing. You might not agree witn 27 countries, but you really can't blame Vestager. And talking innovation - Apple Music isn't innovation. It is blatant copy of Spotify where Apple uses the gatekeeper position of App Store to kill competition in an unrelated market. And Apple taking 30% of the revenue from app-developers? The Mac has shown that Apple can make something that is secure and easy to use - without taking 30% away from developers.
I’m sure what the point of her visit is — other than a power status move to make herself think she is somehow on the same level as the CEOs of the largest tech companies in the world — these companies that innovate, produce, and employ. What exactly does Vestager do?
Vestager was elected by governments from 27 countries and confirmed by the directly elected EU parliament to ensure that the EU market is fair to all companies. That is in the interest of all. Her task is to deliver on that democratic mandate, and that is exactly what she is doing. You might not agree witn 27 countries, but you really can't blame Vestager. And talking innovation - Apple Music isn't innovation. It is blatant copy of Spotify where Apple uses the gatekeeper position of App Store to kill competition in an unrelated market. And Apple taking 30% of the revenue from app-developers? The Mac has shown that Apple can make something that is secure and easy to use - without taking 30% away from developers.
Spotify wasn’t the first to offer music streaming, so does that mean they aren’t innovative? Did they just blatantly copy Pandora? Did Disney, Paramount, etc, etc blatantly copy Netflix? The concept isn’t the innovation — it is the implementation and differentiation. Spotify offers some things that are unique, and so does Apple Music. It is foolish to say one company copied another when we don’t know, especially with software, what is being worked on behind the scenes.
And regarding the 30% — what Apple created was a vibrant economy for software developers that didn’t exist at that scale or low cost before. You need to understand that software used to cost much more to distribute before the App Store. Apple cut this cost in half and simplified everything — billing, storage, etc. The fact that Apple really had their hand in creating the mobile app economy we have today is lost on Vestager and her fellow politicians. They don’t understand the technology or have the ability to step back and look at the big picture. They are so focused on the micro that they disregard the macro.
regarding the 30% — what Apple created was a vibrant economy for software developers that didn’t exist at that scale or low cost before. You need to understand that software used to cost much more to distribute before the App Store.
Software distribution + resellers often get less than 10% combined. App Store made things a lot more expensive for developers. No wonder a lot of Mac apps aren't available in App Store + Apple took jobs from distribution and resellers.
And so what about Apple being an enabler? I don't pay Mercedes 30% of my salary for being able to drive to work. You might disagree with the EU Parliament and the actions taken by those elected. So what? Realpolitik doesn't care about that.
As an Apple shareholder, I would demand that any third party App Store, pay upfront their fair share to Apple for all R&D, marketing, IP, transportation, security and other associated yearly expenses and costs that Apple bears in making and maintaining its various devices and associated software products.
The walled garden is going away. The iPhone and iPad will move more and more to the Mac model. You are going to have to start learning to deal with it and decide how you want to move forward with your investment. Apple is going to have to start learning to deal with it too. Then have become too dependent on the iPhone and a watch, self driving car, weather app, and VR are not going to move the company forward like the iPhone did. Cook has done a great job generating iterative changes to make money but under his leadership Apple has missed on search, cloud, AI etc. In comparison MS moved into other areas after they lost the phone wars and somehow managed to closed on Friday as the world’s most valuable company, doing it without a phone type device or a map app.
Today, it’s Apple. Tomorrow, it’s America. The fewer Nordic socialist types on American soil, the better.
P.S. MS don’t produce jack in consumer electronics. If you ain’t no boring corporate type, you’ll hardly ever buy anything from them.
How about Apple says OK we will allow apps to be side loaded but only if the EU warrants to compensate all damage done by side loaded viruses, all data breeches caused by being forced to open the eco system - Apple should push this hard - the EU may have good intentions (and GPDR is a good thing in the main) but they are way off line with this particular issue. IMHO
Surely there’s a way to enable 3rd party app stores while still ensuring Apple to get their usual and well deserved percentage.
Say a new developer account type with this type of signing including a framework for tracking and reporting installs no matter where or how it is distributed.
So Apple bills Adobe a set amount for all end-user installs from their developer account.
Might be a nice earner for Apple as Adobe would also have to pay Apple for all the pirate installs of their apps too ߘ⦡mp;nbsp;
I wonder if Apple could force sideloaded apps to exist in a sandbox, locked and isolated from everything else.
Granted the user may grant access to Contact, photos, etc, but maybe it would contain nefarious apps.
Have no idea how this works.
All apps run in a sandbox even now. Apple could also copy Google's Play protect which periodically scans the phone for malware and viruses so even third party installs are secure.
Some time ago I tried to side load a pirated movie app on Android and Play Protect warned me that the app had malicious code.
Are you kidding? What about those reports about how there are way more pieces of malware on Android than iOS…periodic scanning didn’t make it secure
As an Apple shareholder, I would demand that any third party App Store, pay upfront their fair share to Apple for all R&D, marketing, IP, transportation, security and other associated yearly expenses and costs that Apple bears in making and maintaining its various devices and associated software products.
The walled garden is going away. The iPhone and iPad will move more and more to the Mac model. You are going to have to start learning to deal with it and decide how you want to move forward with your investment. Apple is going to have to start learning to deal with it too. Then have become too dependent on the iPhone and a watch, self driving car, weather app, and VR are not going to move the company forward like the iPhone did. Cook has done a great job generating iterative changes to make money but under his leadership Apple has missed on search, cloud, AI etc. In comparison MS moved into other areas after they lost the phone wars and somehow managed to closed on Friday as the world’s most valuable company, doing it without a phone type device or a map app.
Nonsense. Apple has implemented an extremely reliable cloud infrastructure since before it was cool. Why do you think messages and notifications and iTunes purchases work so well?
Apple is not a search company. And yet, file searching on my Mac is DAY & NIGHT better than on my work Windows machine. On Windows I can write a text file and search for words in it and get back…nothing. Worse, web results! On Mac I get my file back.
AI? Pfft. Yes because of some beta search engine for search companies, now Apple’s missed? Yeah no buddy. AI is the next NFT hype. Every software shop under the sun is claiming AI is their secret sauce for HR software, etc etc.. They aren’t doing anything Apple isn’t, guaranteed.
regarding the 30% — what Apple created was a vibrant economy for software developers that didn’t exist at that scale or low cost before. You need to understand that software used to cost much more to distribute before the App Store.
Software distribution + resellers often get less than 10% combined. App Store made things a lot more expensive for developers. No wonder a lot of Mac apps aren't available in App Store + Apple took jobs from distribution and resellers.
And so what about Apple being an enabler? I don't pay Mercedes 30% of my salary for being able to drive to work. You might disagree with the EU Parliament and the actions taken by those elected. So what? Realpolitik doesn't care about that.
Absolutely false. Tell me you’ve never sold a SKU in retrial without telling me…. Distributor and retailer added MUCH more than 10% to the final price. Look up keystone pricing. Distributing software in retail channels used to be much more expensive.
regarding the 30% — what Apple created was a vibrant economy for software developers that didn’t exist at that scale or low cost before. You need to understand that software used to cost much more to distribute before the App Store.
Software distribution + resellers often get less than 10% combined. App Store made things a lot more expensive for developers. No wonder a lot of Mac apps aren't available in App Store + Apple took jobs from distribution and resellers.
And so what about Apple being an enabler? I don't pay Mercedes 30% of my salary for being able to drive to work. You might disagree with the EU Parliament and the actions taken by those elected. So what? Realpolitik doesn't care about that.
Absolutely false. Tell me you’ve never sold a SKU in retrial without telling me…. Distributor and retailer added MUCH more than 10% to the final price. Look up keystone pricing. Distributing software in retail channels used to be much more expensive.
Right on. Many are oblivious to what software development and distribution looked like pre-App Store. Software through the App Store is 30% to distribution and 70% to the developer — before it was pretty much flipped — 70% to distribution and 30% to the developer. So many, including politicians, are ignorant to this. Apple has had quite a hand in democratizing software development.
I personally think if Steve Jobs was still alive, he would pull out of the EU
The single largest trading bloc outside the USA? Really?
Steve Jobs was nothing if not a man of principle - whether it hurt or helped him - or provided financial rewards or deficits. He had a very clear and simple. Yet profound vision - make the best stuff in the world. Period. He wouldn’t let some unAmerican government crap all over apple and its customers. I could totally hear him saying “and this is why you can’t have nice things,” chiding the EU publicly, finding a way to turn the tables - and failing that, leave that market to fry, forever at the mercy of crapware such as android. The entire EU marketplace and the associated governments with their fees and taxes would be begging Apple to come back. There would be a grassroots import movement by the populace. Steve was strong like that. While cook seems to be a better businessman, he lacks that principled backbone and so we see apple’s stances being chipped away at.
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(Which is kinda hilarious if you remember how Apple portrayed Windows in the Mac vs PC ads)
Right now, there are probably (tens of?) thousands of apps not being sold at all because developers can't or won't comply with the App Store terms.
And regarding the 30% — what Apple created was a vibrant economy for software developers that didn’t exist at that scale or low cost before. You need to understand that software used to cost much more to distribute before the App Store. Apple cut this cost in half and simplified everything — billing, storage, etc. The fact that Apple really had their hand in creating the mobile app economy we have today is lost on Vestager and her fellow politicians. They don’t understand the technology or have the ability to step back and look at the big picture. They are so focused on the micro that they disregard the macro.
And so what about Apple being an enabler? I don't pay Mercedes 30% of my salary for being able to drive to work. You might disagree with the EU Parliament and the actions taken by those elected. So what? Realpolitik doesn't care about that.
Perhaps alternate app stores will be more successful on iOS than they have been on Android.
Apple is not a search company. And yet, file searching on my Mac is DAY & NIGHT better than on my work Windows machine. On Windows I can write a text file and search for words in it and get back…nothing. Worse, web results! On Mac I get my file back.
AI? Pfft. Yes because of some beta search engine for search companies, now Apple’s missed? Yeah no buddy. AI is the next NFT hype. Every software shop under the sun is claiming AI is their secret sauce for HR software, etc etc.. They aren’t doing anything Apple isn’t, guaranteed.