Consensus about Apple Vision Pro is mostly unanimous, with everyone interested in the prospect of spatial computing but unable to pin down what the killer app might be.
Who is this "everyone" you speak of. And WTF is "spatial computing"?!
This is silly. Apple invented a new term. Okay. The product implementing this so-called "spatial computing" is barely out the door and yet "everyone is interested in the prospect" of it. LOL
Okay. Sure. Or maybe not.
The “everyone” AI is speaking of are the reviewers mentioned in the very first sentence. You’ve quoted out of context and seem to be implying that they mean “everyone” as “everyone in the world” but that isn’t correct.
Earlier he wrote about spending $5K on a 77-inch TV. That's one of the analogies I used when talking about the possibility of buying VisionPro.
The problem with this analogy is that when you spend that $5,000 on the 77" TV you have a device that multiple people can use at the same time. If you spend $5,000 with Apple all you have is one AVP that can be used by one person at a time—and possibly only one specific person based on the prescription lenses.
Caveat: the TV doesn't include an M2 computer. Computers are something that typically gets used by one person at a time. So it's a hybrid of one type of device that is thought of as being for multiple people and another that isn't.
Earlier he wrote about spending $5K on a 77-inch TV. That's one of the analogies I used when talking about the possibility of buying VisionPro.
The problem with this analogy is that when you spend that $5,000 on the 77" TV you have a device that multiple people can use at the same time. If you spend $5,000 with Apple all you have is one AVP that can be used by one person at a time—and possibly only one specific person based on the prescription lenses.
Caveat: the TV doesn't include an M2 computer. Computers are something that typically gets used by one person at a time. So it's a hybrid of one type of device that is thought of as being for multiple people and another that isn't.
No one cares about the M2.
So the AVP is a "hybrid device" that can only be used by one person? LOL
The amount of rationalization for this thing is off the charts.
Who is the “no one” you speak of?
It’s kinda funny you call out AI for their use of “everyone” as if it’s preposterous but are fine using “no one” just a few posts later and regarding the same basic topic.
Consensus about Apple Vision Pro is mostly unanimous, with everyone interested in the prospect of spatial computing but unable to pin down what the killer app might be.
Who is this "everyone" you speak of. And WTF is "spatial computing"?!
This is silly. Apple invented a new term. Okay. The product implementing this so-called "spatial computing" is barely out the door and yet "everyone is interested in the prospect" of it. LOL
Okay. Sure. Or maybe not.
1) Do you even realize you use a lot of extreme generalizations like everyone and no one?
2) Once again you're very wrong and once again it's something very simple you could've looked up before posting. Just because you hadn't noticed the term until people started promoting AVP doesn't mean it wasn't in existence.
Earlier he wrote about spending $5K on a 77-inch TV. That's one of the analogies I used when talking about the possibility of buying VisionPro.
The problem with this analogy is that when you spend that $5,000 on the 77" TV you have a device that multiple people can use at the same time. If you spend $5,000 with Apple all you have is one AVP that can be used by one person at a time—and possibly only one specific person based on the prescription lenses.
Caveat: the TV doesn't include an M2 computer. Computers are something that typically gets used by one person at a time. So it's a hybrid of one type of device that is thought of as being for multiple people and another that isn't.
No one cares about the M2.
So the AVP is a "hybrid device" that can only be used by one person? LOL
The amount of rationalization for this thing is off the charts.
Who is the “no one” you speak of?
It’s kinda funny you call out AI for their use of “everyone” as if it’s preposterous but are fine using “no one” just a few posts later and regarding the same basic topic.
No one. Not one single person. No one give a shit about the M2.
I have a lot of shits to give about my MBP with an M2 Max. I'm very happy with its performance although I will say that during very cold mornings I was missing the heat of the Intel MBP on my lap to help keep me warm.
Nice set of video reviews from everyone. Even the Tom's Guide reviewer had a good video review. That team was the least flashy, least Youtuber or perhaps more classic reviewer style than the flash of modern day video reviewers. He was just straight and to the point which was nice.
Apple needs to educate customers on how to use the VP. They will have to run commercials on people using the device, imo. The reviews do this, but they need to have commercials.
The Verge did make a strange analogy of hand and eye tracking being a "poorer" control schema than mouse and trackpads. Poor is probably not the right word. Imperfect? Analog? It was hard to tell what point that were making other than hand and eye tracking having to filter out the biology, the humanness of your eyes and hands. Your eyes jitter. Your head swivels. Your hands seemingly involuntarily moves. All that stuff needs to be filtered out, and your actual intentions divined from the headset.
That's a good point, but, mouse and trackpads have had decades of refinements to get where they are now. When you hold a mouse, it jitters. When you touch a trackpad, it jitters. This stuff was smoothed out. There have been buttons, scroll wheels and multi-touch added across the decades. So, give hand and eye tracking some time to mature. In ten years? There are going to be better hardware, more gestures and ML models to better divine intent.
Then, everything in the Vision Pro could use a doubling or a halving. Latency needs to go down to 6 ms, and the frame rate inside should go up to 180 Hz. The cameras need to double in pixels, light sensitivity, and record at 180 Hz or 360 Hz. The LiDAR, IR and flood illuminators needs to double in Hz, double in range, etc. And, the microOLEDs need to be 8K per eye at 120° FOV. Long road to the go.
I was also impressed with the FaceTime digital personas. The software was able to recreate a wide range of facial expressions with just a 4 faces: smile mouth closed, smile show teeth, open eyes big and closed eyes faces. Brian Tong's digital persona was able to wag has tongue. And FaceTime was spatially aware. It was able to turn you and show hands.
The EyeSight was not as bright as it is in PR photos. I knew it would be low resolution just because it was lenticular and they would have to diffuse the edges, but thought it would be brighter. The compound curvature of the front glass makes it very reflective, and that didn't help.
Consensus about Apple Vision Pro is mostly unanimous, with everyone interested in the prospect of spatial computing but unable to pin down what the killer app might be.
Who is this "everyone" you speak of. And WTF is "spatial computing"?!
This is silly. Apple invented a new term. Okay. The product implementing this so-called "spatial computing" is barely out the door and yet "everyone is interested in the prospect" of it. LOL
Okay. Sure. Or maybe not.
Yeah, at the moment it’s more like “facial computing”. All kidding aside, the reviews from real customers should be in soon and should be interesting. Even if the reviews are great, i still have to wonder what use the device is beyond being an interesting toy. Why would anybody want to put up with wearing goggles daily for many hours instead of using a laptop or desktop?
It's been known for a while that Huawei is developing 'network sensing' technologies for implementation in 6G.
That has been reported in some of their research papers so it's no secret.
Network sensing should be a pillar of 6G or that is what is expected. Basically using wireless signals in an environment as a sensor element.
Use cases are quite varied but in some situations it could substitute certain wearables.
It's still a way off (6G isn't expected until 2030) but I just learnt that on one particular 6G research project in Europe, Apple is working with Huawei precisely on network sensing, along with another company, maybe others too. Network sensing in general has been on the lips of the major ICT players for a few years now.
Looking ahead to the mid-term, it seems such technology would blend well with the needs of the VP.
The more real reviews I’ve seen the more I’ve learned about the Vision Pro. Some of my most basic questions have already been answered.
In some ways reviews from other people are more pragmatically useful for me than actually going to an Apple Store and trying the thing on in person. This may sound counterintuitive but I’ll call it the “test drive effect.”
If I start wandering into car dealerships and test driving cars that look attractive to me I’d be much more likely to come up with a reason to purchase a vehicle that is more than I need from a pragmatic standpoint if the test drive was very exciting. I have no doubt that this happens.
Fortunately for my budget, going into car dealerships is on par with getting a root canal without any pain killer. I will only go into car dealerships if I’m absolutely convinced that I have no other option. Unfortunately, going into an Apple Store usually has the opposite effect, my impulses are overloaded and my real money suddenly transforms into Monopoly money. I’ll take one Park Place, please.
On the other hand, if I read car reviews from a few different sources without the added stimulus of actually being in the car and with the pros and cons and my real needs in the foreground of my consciousness, I feel a lot less compelled to make a impulsive choice. Reading about something or watching a video about something is further removed in time, space, and Monopoly money from the thing in question. This creates a barrier to moving too fast, at least for things that involve consequential outlays of real cash.
Keep in mind that all this talk of $3499 starting price can easily result in you racking up closer to $5K once you start adding on extras and options and tax. That’s real money, not Monopoly money.
“However, he ultimately feels he wants to "get work done" in the Vision Pro," and its "isolating" experience doesn't help matters.”
People have been isolating themselves from others since the dawn of the smartphone. Everywhere you look people have their heads buried in their phones. No matter if it’s walking down the street, on the bus, train or library. People go out of their way to be less engaged with one another.
I can imagine virtual offices with one's work areas directly in front and one's online co-workers on the side, in the distance, etc, and having a smart-enough interface where if you called someone's name out, they'd come to the forefront (once acknowledged by them), then you'd have a AR facetime with them, discuss something, then get back to work. ...In about a decade or two.
Today, it would be a clumsy, interrupting experience, or worse. But it might beat driving to an office. Put on your VP and get to work. The virtual office cubicle farm.
Um, serious comment here…gotta love how all the reviews, from Wi-Fi and iMac through Vision and every product in between, puritanically ponder the question of what will be the killer app? Same as all the others…safari. For porn. Hookup apps and social media. Only this time all of it is in 360 degree 3D immersion and that’s ACTUALLY where you’ll spend more time than writing emails. Probably the first thing you’ll do with it. This pattern isn’t going anywhere except now this will make your iPad look like a faded magazine. If you don’t currently own a VR headset…yes folks it’s been there on the web for years.
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2) Once again you're very wrong and once again it's something very simple you could've looked up before posting. Just because you hadn't noticed the term until people started promoting AVP doesn't mean it wasn't in existence.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spatial_computing#History
I have a lot of shits to give about my MBP with an M2 Max. I'm very happy with its performance although I will say that during very cold mornings I was missing the heat of the Intel MBP on my lap to help keep me warm.
Apple needs to educate customers on how to use the VP. They will have to run commercials on people using the device, imo. The reviews do this, but they need to have commercials.
The Verge did make a strange analogy of hand and eye tracking being a "poorer" control schema than mouse and trackpads. Poor is probably not the right word. Imperfect? Analog? It was hard to tell what point that were making other than hand and eye tracking having to filter out the biology, the humanness of your eyes and hands. Your eyes jitter. Your head swivels. Your hands seemingly involuntarily moves. All that stuff needs to be filtered out, and your actual intentions divined from the headset.
That's a good point, but, mouse and trackpads have had decades of refinements to get where they are now. When you hold a mouse, it jitters. When you touch a trackpad, it jitters. This stuff was smoothed out. There have been buttons, scroll wheels and multi-touch added across the decades. So, give hand and eye tracking some time to mature. In ten years? There are going to be better hardware, more gestures and ML models to better divine intent.
Then, everything in the Vision Pro could use a doubling or a halving. Latency needs to go down to 6 ms, and the frame rate inside should go up to 180 Hz. The cameras need to double in pixels, light sensitivity, and record at 180 Hz or 360 Hz. The LiDAR, IR and flood illuminators needs to double in Hz, double in range, etc. And, the microOLEDs need to be 8K per eye at 120° FOV. Long road to the go.
The EyeSight was not as bright as it is in PR photos. I knew it would be low resolution just because it was lenticular and they would have to diffuse the edges, but thought it would be brighter. The compound curvature of the front glass makes it very reflective, and that didn't help.
That has been reported in some of their research papers so it's no secret.
Network sensing should be a pillar of 6G or that is what is expected. Basically using wireless signals in an environment as a sensor element.
Use cases are quite varied but in some situations it could substitute certain wearables.
It's still a way off (6G isn't expected until 2030) but I just learnt that on one particular 6G research project in Europe, Apple is working with Huawei precisely on network sensing, along with another company, maybe others too. Network sensing in general has been on the lips of the major ICT players for a few years now.
Looking ahead to the mid-term, it seems such technology would blend well with the needs of the VP.
Today, it would be a clumsy, interrupting experience, or worse. But it might beat driving to an office. Put on your VP and get to work. The virtual office cubicle farm.