Overall, it reeks of being a rushed product, notwithstanding the very good initial reviews.
It was clearly rushed. Reports of apple internal staff not being sold on it was a big red flag.
The reveal wasn’t compelling and now that it’s in the wild, it’s pretty much another headset in the market. But with better hardware. It has its limitations and flaws, but it’s a good headset overrall.
I think if Microsoft launched it or meta came out with it and called it the quest ultra or whatever, it would be reviewed well but the price would be laughed at and it wouldn’t sell outside of a tiny group. Only apple can command the really big dollars with something like this, niche or no.
Decent effort? Sure. Rushed product? 100%
I think apple leadership is at this weird place where they feel like it’s run by a committee instead of a clear focused vision. Too many cooks in the kitchen nowadays.
Old apple used to allow the naysayers to go around… naysaying. Then at Macworld or whatever, they’d drop the nuke and laugh all the way to the bank.
Nowadays they feel like they have address misperceptions, control “the narrative,” and get ahead of bad publicity.
The Vision Pro seems to be a reaction to “hey guys meta is going to change the whole digital landscape. We neees to do it better. Oh and HoloLens is getting a pro market. This vice thing is really up there with the specs so we need to beat that. But let’s not use any entrenched vocabulary. We want to build a better headset but avoid comparisons with headsets ok guys? This is not a headset from now on ok?”
Apple shouldn’t have released a headset. They should have learned from the process and kept secretly getting it into glasses/sunglasses, or I don’t know, something really out there like bio powered contacts. Something truly magical. Not… a headset.
But here we are. It’s ok. Nothing groundbreaking. But it’s good for what it is.
It’s not a bad product. It’s just not “apple.” Would be better if they launched experimental stuff under a sub brand like Beats or something. Actually, I think that’s a viable solution for current apple with stuff like this.
Apple used to be the adult in the room amongst the chaotic wannabe fad products, the doomsayers, the two-day trendsetters, etc. then when the children were done spazzing out and running around the room, patient apple steps in, laughs “silly little children,” and shows them why they had nothing to worry about, reveals the thing they never knew they always needed/wanted, and paves the way forward for the entire industry.
Whoever the next ceo is, I hope it’s a product guy, but someone with the supply chain understanding of cook or at least humble enough to have an equally humble and trusted “right hand man” working with him who is a supply chain/managerial genius to see those product done justice.
Cook has done wonders in building decent sized apple into megaladon apple. But it’s looking a little shaky on the product front with only the tubby iMac and dissing the big iMac peoole for the Mac Studio which also disses the max pro, then the Vision Pro, the continual lag of Apple TV +, the fiasco that was Apple Music for a while, etc. the watch I think was actually a big hit. I don’t think many of us realized that when it launched and the initial reliance on iPhone was a pain but it’s kind of a must have now (especially once the glucose situation gets sorted - FDA recent politics notwithstanding). If and when the apple car materializes, that will be a very big deal also-but it will be a substantial energy investment as apple can’t just develop the car and ride it out. They’ll need to continue to improve, release new hardware and software features, models, etc. so cook hasn’t been without product vision. It’s just not his major forte.
But a new/old guy with product line as his gift would be most welcome. Get things back to making sense and pushing the envelope - only to open when it’s clearly ready.
So it’s 100% rushed but you don’t actually point out anything that makes it rushed. You just seemed to think that if you repeat it enough you will be correct.
The only thing we can gather from the rest of your comment is you are relatively to Apple and believe some myth you have heard about how Apple ran under Steve Jobs.
Jobs completely created the culture of controlling the narrative and very much had things to say to and about naysayers. If anything Apple is more tightlipped now about critics than it was then.
The one thing that has been consistent is there is always some knob that thinks they know what Apple should and shouldn’t do and really doesn’t know what they are taking about. For a long time it was Ric Ford of Macintouch fame, then there Bill Palmer and his various website with screeds about how gerrijg rid of the eMac and keeping the Mac mini was going to cause the company to fail … now we got you.
I've said enough in previous posts and YouTube is full of the info you need. But you prefer to bury your head in the sand - or in Apple speak, power on your reality. distortion. field.
And no Jobs didn't control the narrative. Sure, he made some stupid comments about holding the iPhone 4. wrong, etc., but that was the rare miss. And he. didn't get. out. in. front of rumors at every. opportunity. Instead, he waited until reveal/launch day, made some jokes about rumors floating. around, revealed a compelling. product, and let that be. the. punctuation mark, cementing why. the pundits were stupid. big difference from running around publicly addressing hearsay every day. When Jobs had to address something, he. either did it with a new product, or it was done behind the scenes with legal takedowns, etc. None of this knee-jerk stuff we get now.
Overall, it reeks of being a rushed product, notwithstanding the very good initial reviews.
It was clearly rushed. Reports of apple internal staff not being sold on it was a big red flag.
The reveal wasn’t compelling and now that it’s in the wild, it’s pretty much another headset in the market. But with better hardware. It has its limitations and flaws, but it’s a good headset overrall.
I think if Microsoft launched it or meta came out with it and called it the quest ultra or whatever, it would be reviewed well but the price would be laughed at and it wouldn’t sell outside of a tiny group. Only apple can command the really big dollars with something like this, niche or no.
Decent effort? Sure. Rushed product? 100%
I think apple leadership is at this weird place where they feel like it’s run by a committee instead of a clear focused vision. Too many cooks in the kitchen nowadays.
Old apple used to allow the naysayers to go around… naysaying. Then at Macworld or whatever, they’d drop the nuke and laugh all the way to the bank.
Nowadays they feel like they have address misperceptions, control “the narrative,” and get ahead of bad publicity.
The Vision Pro seems to be a reaction to “hey guys meta is going to change the whole digital landscape. We neees to do it better. Oh and HoloLens is getting a pro market. This vice thing is really up there with the specs so we need to beat that. But let’s not use any entrenched vocabulary. We want to build a better headset but avoid comparisons with headsets ok guys? This is not a headset from now on ok?”
Apple shouldn’t have released a headset. They should have learned from the process and kept secretly getting it into glasses/sunglasses, or I don’t know, something really out there like bio powered contacts. Something truly magical. Not… a headset.
But here we are. It’s ok. Nothing groundbreaking. But it’s good for what it is.
It’s not a bad product. It’s just not “apple.” Would be better if they launched experimental stuff under a sub brand like Beats or something. Actually, I think that’s a viable solution for current apple with stuff like this.
Apple used to be the adult in the room amongst the chaotic wannabe fad products, the doomsayers, the two-day trendsetters, etc. then when the children were done spazzing out and running around the room, patient apple steps in, laughs “silly little children,” and shows them why they had nothing to worry about, reveals the thing they never knew they always needed/wanted, and paves the way forward for the entire industry.
Whoever the next ceo is, I hope it’s a product guy, but someone with the supply chain understanding of cook or at least humble enough to have an equally humble and trusted “right hand man” working with him who is a supply chain/managerial genius to see those product done justice.
Cook has done wonders in building decent sized apple into megaladon apple. But it’s looking a little shaky on the product front with only the tubby iMac and dissing the big iMac peoole for the Mac Studio which also disses the max pro, then the Vision Pro, the continual lag of Apple TV +, the fiasco that was Apple Music for a while, etc. the watch I think was actually a big hit. I don’t think many of us realized that when it launched and the initial reliance on iPhone was a pain but it’s kind of a must have now (especially once the glucose situation gets sorted - FDA recent politics notwithstanding). If and when the apple car materializes, that will be a very big deal also-but it will be a substantial energy investment as apple can’t just develop the car and ride it out. They’ll need to continue to improve, release new hardware and software features, models, etc. so cook hasn’t been without product vision. It’s just not his major forte.
But a new/old guy with product line as his gift would be most welcome. Get things back to making sense and pushing the envelope - only to open when it’s clearly ready.
TL;DR.
and yet you took the time to respond. Must have hit a nerve. Good.
Overall, it reeks of being a rushed product, notwithstanding the very good initial reviews.
It was clearly rushed. Reports of apple internal staff not being sold on it was a big red flag.
The reveal wasn’t compelling and now that it’s in the wild, it’s pretty much another headset in the market. But with better hardware. It has its limitations and flaws, but it’s a good headset overrall.
I think if Microsoft launched it or meta came out with it and called it the quest ultra or whatever, it would be reviewed well but the price would be laughed at and it wouldn’t sell outside of a tiny group. Only apple can command the really big dollars with something like this, niche or no.
Decent effort? Sure. Rushed product? 100%
I think apple leadership is at this weird place where they feel like it’s run by a committee instead of a clear focused vision. Too many cooks in the kitchen nowadays.
Old apple used to allow the naysayers to go around… naysaying. Then at Macworld or whatever, they’d drop the nuke and laugh all the way to the bank.
Nowadays they feel like they have address misperceptions, control “the narrative,” and get ahead of bad publicity.
The Vision Pro seems to be a reaction to “hey guys meta is going to change the whole digital landscape. We neees to do it better. Oh and HoloLens is getting a pro market. This vice thing is really up there with the specs so we need to beat that. But let’s not use any entrenched vocabulary. We want to build a better headset but avoid comparisons with headsets ok guys? This is not a headset from now on ok?”
Apple shouldn’t have released a headset. They should have learned from the process and kept secretly getting it into glasses/sunglasses, or I don’t know, something really out there like bio powered contacts. Something truly magical. Not… a headset.
But here we are. It’s ok. Nothing groundbreaking. But it’s good for what it is.
It’s not a bad product. It’s just not “apple.” Would be better if they launched experimental stuff under a sub brand like Beats or something. Actually, I think that’s a viable solution for current apple with stuff like this.
Apple used to be the adult in the room amongst the chaotic wannabe fad products, the doomsayers, the two-day trendsetters, etc. then when the children were done spazzing out and running around the room, patient apple steps in, laughs “silly little children,” and shows them why they had nothing to worry about, reveals the thing they never knew they always needed/wanted, and paves the way forward for the entire industry.
Whoever the next ceo is, I hope it’s a product guy, but someone with the supply chain understanding of cook or at least humble enough to have an equally humble and trusted “right hand man” working with him who is a supply chain/managerial genius to see those product done justice.
Cook has done wonders in building decent sized apple into megaladon apple. But it’s looking a little shaky on the product front with only the tubby iMac and dissing the big iMac peoole for the Mac Studio which also disses the max pro, then the Vision Pro, the continual lag of Apple TV +, the fiasco that was Apple Music for a while, etc. the watch I think was actually a big hit. I don’t think many of us realized that when it launched and the initial reliance on iPhone was a pain but it’s kind of a must have now (especially once the glucose situation gets sorted - FDA recent politics notwithstanding). If and when the apple car materializes, that will be a very big deal also-but it will be a substantial energy investment as apple can’t just develop the car and ride it out. They’ll need to continue to improve, release new hardware and software features, models, etc. so cook hasn’t been without product vision. It’s just not his major forte.
But a new/old guy with product line as his gift would be most welcome. Get things back to making sense and pushing the envelope - only to open when it’s clearly ready.
So it’s 100% rushed but you don’t actually point out anything that makes it rushed. You just seemed to think that if you repeat it enough you will be correct.
The only thing we can gather from the rest of your comment is you are relatively to Apple and believe some myth you have heard about how Apple ran under Steve Jobs.
Jobs completely created the culture of controlling the narrative and very much had things to say to and about naysayers. If anything Apple is more tightlipped now about critics than it was then.
The one thing that has been consistent is there is always some knob that thinks they know what Apple should and shouldn’t do and really doesn’t know what they are taking about. For a long time it was Ric Ford of Macintouch fame, then there Bill Palmer and his various website with screeds about how gerrijg rid of the eMac and keeping the Mac mini was going to cause the company to fail … now we got you.
I've said enough in previous posts and YouTube is full of the info you need. But you prefer to bury your head in the sand - or in Apple speak, power on your reality. distortion. field.
And no Jobs didn't control the narrative. Sure, he made some stupid comments about holding the iPhone 4. wrong, etc., but that was the rare miss. And he. didn't get. out. in. front of rumors at every. opportunity. Instead, he waited until reveal/launch day, made some jokes about rumors floating. around, revealed a compelling. product, and let that be. the. punctuation mark, cementing why. the pundits were stupid. big difference from running around publicly addressing hearsay every day. When Jobs had to address something, he. either did it with a new product, or it was done behind the scenes with legal takedowns, etc. None of this knee-jerk stuff we get now.
The problem with your pointing to your other comments is that you often get things wrong. Not your opinions but things that are objectively verifiable. For example you went on and on about how Apple having to do a 30 minute tutorial of the product when purchasing it was proof of how bad it was. The problem with that being that Apple wasn't doing a 30 minute tutorial as parting of the buying process. They were offering 30 minute walk throughs to people that were interested in the product and wanted to see how it worked. So, I'm going to pass on reading your comment history since what you get wrong, don't know or misunderstand could fill a very large hole. I have watched some YouTube reviews, MKBHD in particular and he has said nothing about the product being rushed. Mostly though I am going on my own experience. I have one and I have used it daily since the day after it was released. I feel like first hand experience is going to be far more informed.
The Vision Pro is a fist generation production and has the limitations of a first generation product. Just like the original iPhone (Couldn't arrange icons, didn't have cut and paste, no GPS, limited to EDGE, poor battery life, chunky, no apps not even web apps, the awful handling of MSS via weblink), just like the original iPad (heavy, a screen that was unusable in daylight), just like the original watch (slow, no GPS, no cellular, no apps), Mac OS X 1.0 (Apple wouldn't even install this on new computers, that happened with 10.1) None of these things were flawless but their flaws didn't indicate they were rushed. The Vision Pro and its limitations are most reminiscent of the original iPhone. The hardware is what it is is but there is plenty of room to work on buffing out the software and I'd impinge Apple will do this quickly like the did with what was then called iPhoneOS.
If you want to look at truly disastrous products from Apple then check out the TAM or Powerbook 5300. And if you want to see a complete train wreck of a product that was released by modern day Apple, look no further than Mobile Me. That one led Steve to say something like "...why would you trust the company that brought you Mobile Me?
Apple under Steve very much had it's moments of chasing the market and following trends. iTunes was Apple playing catch up to what others were doing, Ping was Apple's lame attempt to jump on the social media bandwagon In the .mac announcement Steve specially called out other people doing Internet service so Apple was going to do them asl well. The xServe and xServe Raid was Apple chasing the enterprise market with products that weren't terribly compelling or unique.
As for controlling the narrative, Steve Jobs in Katie Cotten were very active in working with the press whenever a journalist said something unflattering. They also didn't wait until keynotes or product releases to get in front of things. Steve's "Thoughts on Flash" is a good example of Apple getting out in front of a narrative that was bubbling up that Apple didn't like. Another example is when Greenpeace led an effective PR campaign against Apple and Steve addressed that head on as well. Steve was also very much was interested in what pundits would say. In particular he was fond of Walt Mossberg and would bring him up his quotes about Appel in keynotes and interviews.
So, yeah.... thanks for confirming my suspension that you are newer to Apple and depend on the mythological version of the Steve years rather than the reality.
Charging inside a travel case won’t be great for the battery chemistry at any rate: overheating batteries is bad for the chemistry. That truth can’t change until a different battery tech is introduced that’s not subject to heat damage.
I would think there would be continuum mechanics modeling and simulation software that would predict these issues beforehand.
That’s why it is called “model”. Apart from the limitations of modelling by itself, there are things like identifying the right parameters, testing the right worst case combinations, taking production variation into account, only to name a few. I would also be surprised if they would not do validation testing in hardware, including foreseeable use / test to failure to understand robustness,, etc. It is rather unlikely, especially for a 1st gen product, to get it all right from design to supply chain and production quality to have no deviations leading to defects. Actually, I do not know any industrial product that - on large scale. - is defect free considering the whole population.
Stabitha_Christie said: The Vision Pro is a fist generation production and has the limitations of a first generation product.
In general Apple is doing a great job at making bleeding edge less bloody. All the M1 products with new designs have performed great, iPod (5 GB), iPad (screen was OK for me), iMac (original),... The most recent quality problems were 6 years of butterfly keyboards (too many free battery + keyboard swaps to mention) and AirPods Pro 1st gen crackling (2x repairs). Perhaps Apple should have released 1st gen AVP as a developer or rental product only.
Stabitha_Christie said: The Vision Pro is a fist generation production and has the limitations of a first generation product.
In general Apple is doing a great job at making bleeding edge less bloody. All the M1 products with new designs have performed great, iPod (5 GB), iPad (screen was OK for me), iMac (original),... The most recent quality problems were 6 years of butterfly keyboards (too many free battery + keyboard swaps to mention) and AirPods Pro 1st gen crackling (2x repairs). Perhaps Apple should have released 1st gen AVP as a developer or rental product only.
What is the reasoning for making it development or rental only? Five of them have a crack in the glass? That would be a big departure from how Apple has introduced previous new products.
The only time I can think of that they have done dev models is which existing products (Macs) making a large move on processors.
I wonder if those experiencing the hairline cracked glass issue observed the following instructions from Apple? Impossible to say for sure, but it seems like disconnecting the battery cable from the AVP instead of charging the battery while attached to the device may have prevented the cracking issue.
Store your Apple Vision Pro
Disconnect the battery from Apple Vision Pro.
Place Apple Vision Pro on a stable, flat surface with the cover glass facing forward and never downward. Or put your device in the Apple Vision Pro Travel Case (sold separately).
And what constitutes “storing”? The device is literally designed to go into a deep sleep after being idle for 24 hours or something. Why would they include that feature if you’re supposed to disconnect the battery every time you take it off? That’s absurd. Also, disconnecting the battery every single time would require you to power it down every single time, which violates Apple’s usage philosophy completely. For heaven’s sake, you can’t even power the AirPods Max off at all! They want it to be ready to go whenever you go to use it.
I think in your zeal to find fault with the user, you misconstrued the instruct8ons you shared with us. That’s not cool
Overall, it reeks of being a rushed product, notwithstanding the very good initial reviews.
It was clearly rushed. Reports of apple internal staff not being sold on it was a big red flag.
The reveal wasn’t compelling and now that it’s in the wild, it’s pretty much another headset in the market. But with better hardware. It has its limitations and flaws, but it’s a good headset overrall.
I think if Microsoft launched it or meta came out with it and called it the quest ultra or whatever, it would be reviewed well but the price would be laughed at and it wouldn’t sell outside of a tiny group. Only apple can command the really big dollars with something like this, niche or no.
Decent effort? Sure. Rushed product? 100%
I think apple leadership is at this weird place where they feel like it’s run by a committee instead of a clear focused vision. Too many cooks in the kitchen nowadays.
Old apple used to allow the naysayers to go around… naysaying. Then at Macworld or whatever, they’d drop the nuke and laugh all the way to the bank.
Nowadays they feel like they have address misperceptions, control “the narrative,” and get ahead of bad publicity.
The Vision Pro seems to be a reaction to “hey guys meta is going to change the whole digital landscape. We neees to do it better. Oh and HoloLens is getting a pro market. This vice thing is really up there with the specs so we need to beat that. But let’s not use any entrenched vocabulary. We want to build a better headset but avoid comparisons with headsets ok guys? This is not a headset from now on ok?”
Apple shouldn’t have released a headset. They should have learned from the process and kept secretly getting it into glasses/sunglasses, or I don’t know, something really out there like bio powered contacts. Something truly magical. Not… a headset.
But here we are. It’s ok. Nothing groundbreaking. But it’s good for what it is.
It’s not a bad product. It’s just not “apple.” Would be better if they launched experimental stuff under a sub brand like Beats or something. Actually, I think that’s a viable solution for current apple with stuff like this.
Apple used to be the adult in the room amongst the chaotic wannabe fad products, the doomsayers, the two-day trendsetters, etc. then when the children were done spazzing out and running around the room, patient apple steps in, laughs “silly little children,” and shows them why they had nothing to worry about, reveals the thing they never knew they always needed/wanted, and paves the way forward for the entire industry.
Whoever the next ceo is, I hope it’s a product guy, but someone with the supply chain understanding of cook or at least humble enough to have an equally humble and trusted “right hand man” working with him who is a supply chain/managerial genius to see those product done justice.
Cook has done wonders in building decent sized apple into megaladon apple. But it’s looking a little shaky on the product front with only the tubby iMac and dissing the big iMac peoole for the Mac Studio which also disses the max pro, then the Vision Pro, the continual lag of Apple TV +, the fiasco that was Apple Music for a while, etc. the watch I think was actually a big hit. I don’t think many of us realized that when it launched and the initial reliance on iPhone was a pain but it’s kind of a must have now (especially once the glucose situation gets sorted - FDA recent politics notwithstanding). If and when the apple car materializes, that will be a very big deal also-but it will be a substantial energy investment as apple can’t just develop the car and ride it out. They’ll need to continue to improve, release new hardware and software features, models, etc. so cook hasn’t been without product vision. It’s just not his major forte.
But a new/old guy with product line as his gift would be most welcome. Get things back to making sense and pushing the envelope - only to open when it’s clearly ready.
So it’s 100% rushed but you don’t actually point out anything that makes it rushed. You just seemed to think that if you repeat it enough you will be correct.
The only thing we can gather from the rest of your comment is you are relatively to Apple and believe some myth you have heard about how Apple ran under Steve Jobs.
Jobs completely created the culture of controlling the narrative and very much had things to say to and about naysayers. If anything Apple is more tightlipped now about critics than it was then.
The one thing that has been consistent is there is always some knob that thinks they know what Apple should and shouldn’t do and really doesn’t know what they are taking about. For a long time it was Ric Ford of Macintouch fame, then there Bill Palmer and his various website with screeds about how gerrijg rid of the eMac and keeping the Mac mini was going to cause the company to fail … now we got you.
I've said enough in previous posts and YouTube is full of the info you need. But you prefer to bury your head in the sand - or in Apple speak, power on your reality. distortion. field.
And no Jobs didn't control the narrative. Sure, he made some stupid comments about holding the iPhone 4. wrong, etc., but that was the rare miss. And he. didn't get. out. in. front of rumors at every. opportunity. Instead, he waited until reveal/launch day, made some jokes about rumors floating. around, revealed a compelling. product, and let that be. the. punctuation mark, cementing why. the pundits were stupid. big difference from running around publicly addressing hearsay every day. When Jobs had to address something, he. either did it with a new product, or it was done behind the scenes with legal takedowns, etc. None of this knee-jerk stuff we get now.
The problem with your pointing to your other comments is that you often get things wrong. Not your opinions but things that are objectively verifiable. For example you went on and on about how Apple having to do a 30 minute tutorial of the product when purchasing it was proof of how bad it was. The problem with that being that Apple wasn't doing a 30 minute tutorial as parting of the buying process. They were offering 30 minute walk throughs to people that were interested in the product and wanted to see how it worked. So, I'm going to pass on reading your comment history since what you get wrong, don't know or misunderstand could fill a very large hole. I have watched some YouTube reviews, MKBHD in particular and he has said nothing about the product being rushed. Mostly though I am going on my own experience. I have one and I have used it daily since the day after it was released. I feel like first hand experience is going to be far more informed.
The Vision Pro is a fist generation production and has the limitations of a first generation product. Just like the original iPhone (Couldn't arrange icons, didn't have cut and paste, no GPS, limited to EDGE, poor battery life, chunky, no apps not even web apps, the awful handling of MSS via weblink), just like the original iPad (heavy, a screen that was unusable in daylight), just like the original watch (slow, no GPS, no cellular, no apps), Mac OS X 1.0 (Apple wouldn't even install this on new computers, that happened with 10.1) None of these things were flawless but their flaws didn't indicate they were rushed. The Vision Pro and its limitations are most reminiscent of the original iPhone. The hardware is what it is is but there is plenty of room to work on buffing out the software and I'd impinge Apple will do this quickly like the did with what was then called iPhoneOS.
If you want to look at truly disastrous products from Apple then check out the TAM or Powerbook 5300. And if you want to see a complete train wreck of a product that was released by modern day Apple, look no further than Mobile Me. That one led Steve to say something like "...why would you trust the company that brought you Mobile Me?
Apple under Steve very much had it's moments of chasing the market and following trends. iTunes was Apple playing catch up to what others were doing, Ping was Apple's lame attempt to jump on the social media bandwagon In the .mac announcement Steve specially called out other people doing Internet service so Apple was going to do them asl well. The xServe and xServe Raid was Apple chasing the enterprise market with products that weren't terribly compelling or unique.
As for controlling the narrative, Steve Jobs in Katie Cotten were very active in working with the press whenever a journalist said something unflattering. They also didn't wait until keynotes or product releases to get in front of things. Steve's "Thoughts on Flash" is a good example of Apple getting out in front of a narrative that was bubbling up that Apple didn't like. Another example is when Greenpeace led an effective PR campaign against Apple and Steve addressed that head on as well. Steve was also very much was interested in what pundits would say. In particular he was fond of Walt Mossberg and would bring him up his quotes about Appel in keynotes and interviews.
So, yeah.... thanks for confirming my suspension that you are newer to Apple and depend on the mythological version of the Steve years rather than the reality.
Talk about disingenuous. Not only are you wrong, but you lie on purpose. I posted about the demo in an article about it. Since the info at the time was that it would be part of the purchase process, that’s what I commented on. You knew that but wanted to pretend I invented that thought just to advance you false narrative. But that’s not new for you.
I’ve pointed out enough hard facts as to why it’s rushed -as you know since you follow me around. But I also mentioned the fact that it’s also all over YouTube. Even mkbhd has pointed out the limitations that make it seem not ready for prime time. It’s so underwhelming that all anyone can say is “this is good news for 2nd gen.” Not a glowing endorsement.
And no I’m not new to apple. But you’re not interested in honesty. Only in stories. Tell another one. It’s nearly bedtime.
i get that you really really want so badly to believe that this is the greatest thing since scrambled eggs. You really really want it to be better than it is. You really want others to think that too.
But the reality is it’s just a first gen headset thst doesn’t really do much different than say a meta quest.
It’s a nice, niche little vr headset that works like a vr headset, but is priced like a pro mac.
You can’t rate the thing based on what you hope it will be someday. You rate it based on what you have in front of you.
There was an article on this site where it was claimed that an apple employee was frustrated that the majority of vp returns were “the &@$!# YouTubers!.”
So… the YouTubers who make money reviewing the Vision Pro were so unimpressed they didn’t want to keep it? Just another indicator that it’s not the next big thing.
Certainly that wouldn’t have been the case with the first iPod, iPhone, etc.
Overall, it reeks of being a rushed product, notwithstanding the very good initial reviews.
It was clearly rushed. Reports of apple internal staff not being sold on it was a big red flag.
The reveal wasn’t compelling and now that it’s in the wild, it’s pretty much another headset in the market. But with better hardware. It has its limitations and flaws, but it’s a good headset overrall.
I think if Microsoft launched it or meta came out with it and called it the quest ultra or whatever, it would be reviewed well but the price would be laughed at and it wouldn’t sell outside of a tiny group. Only apple can command the really big dollars with something like this, niche or no.
Decent effort? Sure. Rushed product? 100%
I think apple leadership is at this weird place where they feel like it’s run by a committee instead of a clear focused vision. Too many cooks in the kitchen nowadays.
Old apple used to allow the naysayers to go around… naysaying. Then at Macworld or whatever, they’d drop the nuke and laugh all the way to the bank.
Nowadays they feel like they have address misperceptions, control “the narrative,” and get ahead of bad publicity.
The Vision Pro seems to be a reaction to “hey guys meta is going to change the whole digital landscape. We neees to do it better. Oh and HoloLens is getting a pro market. This vice thing is really up there with the specs so we need to beat that. But let’s not use any entrenched vocabulary. We want to build a better headset but avoid comparisons with headsets ok guys? This is not a headset from now on ok?”
Apple shouldn’t have released a headset. They should have learned from the process and kept secretly getting it into glasses/sunglasses, or I don’t know, something really out there like bio powered contacts. Something truly magical. Not… a headset.
But here we are. It’s ok. Nothing groundbreaking. But it’s good for what it is.
It’s not a bad product. It’s just not “apple.” Would be better if they launched experimental stuff under a sub brand like Beats or something. Actually, I think that’s a viable solution for current apple with stuff like this.
Apple used to be the adult in the room amongst the chaotic wannabe fad products, the doomsayers, the two-day trendsetters, etc. then when the children were done spazzing out and running around the room, patient apple steps in, laughs “silly little children,” and shows them why they had nothing to worry about, reveals the thing they never knew they always needed/wanted, and paves the way forward for the entire industry.
Whoever the next ceo is, I hope it’s a product guy, but someone with the supply chain understanding of cook or at least humble enough to have an equally humble and trusted “right hand man” working with him who is a supply chain/managerial genius to see those product done justice.
Cook has done wonders in building decent sized apple into megaladon apple. But it’s looking a little shaky on the product front with only the tubby iMac and dissing the big iMac peoole for the Mac Studio which also disses the max pro, then the Vision Pro, the continual lag of Apple TV +, the fiasco that was Apple Music for a while, etc. the watch I think was actually a big hit. I don’t think many of us realized that when it launched and the initial reliance on iPhone was a pain but it’s kind of a must have now (especially once the glucose situation gets sorted - FDA recent politics notwithstanding). If and when the apple car materializes, that will be a very big deal also-but it will be a substantial energy investment as apple can’t just develop the car and ride it out. They’ll need to continue to improve, release new hardware and software features, models, etc. so cook hasn’t been without product vision. It’s just not his major forte.
But a new/old guy with product line as his gift would be most welcome. Get things back to making sense and pushing the envelope - only to open when it’s clearly ready.
So it’s 100% rushed but you don’t actually point out anything that makes it rushed. You just seemed to think that if you repeat it enough you will be correct.
The only thing we can gather from the rest of your comment is you are relatively to Apple and believe some myth you have heard about how Apple ran under Steve Jobs.
Jobs completely created the culture of controlling the narrative and very much had things to say to and about naysayers. If anything Apple is more tightlipped now about critics than it was then.
The one thing that has been consistent is there is always some knob that thinks they know what Apple should and shouldn’t do and really doesn’t know what they are taking about. For a long time it was Ric Ford of Macintouch fame, then there Bill Palmer and his various website with screeds about how gerrijg rid of the eMac and keeping the Mac mini was going to cause the company to fail … now we got you.
I've said enough in previous posts and YouTube is full of the info you need. But you prefer to bury your head in the sand - or in Apple speak, power on your reality. distortion. field.
And no Jobs didn't control the narrative. Sure, he made some stupid comments about holding the iPhone 4. wrong, etc., but that was the rare miss. And he. didn't get. out. in. front of rumors at every. opportunity. Instead, he waited until reveal/launch day, made some jokes about rumors floating. around, revealed a compelling. product, and let that be. the. punctuation mark, cementing why. the pundits were stupid. big difference from running around publicly addressing hearsay every day. When Jobs had to address something, he. either did it with a new product, or it was done behind the scenes with legal takedowns, etc. None of this knee-jerk stuff we get now.
The problem with your pointing to your other comments is that you often get things wrong. Not your opinions but things that are objectively verifiable. For example you went on and on about how Apple having to do a 30 minute tutorial of the product when purchasing it was proof of how bad it was. The problem with that being that Apple wasn't doing a 30 minute tutorial as parting of the buying process. They were offering 30 minute walk throughs to people that were interested in the product and wanted to see how it worked. So, I'm going to pass on reading your comment history since what you get wrong, don't know or misunderstand could fill a very large hole. I have watched some YouTube reviews, MKBHD in particular and he has said nothing about the product being rushed. Mostly though I am going on my own experience. I have one and I have used it daily since the day after it was released. I feel like first hand experience is going to be far more informed.
The Vision Pro is a fist generation production and has the limitations of a first generation product. Just like the original iPhone (Couldn't arrange icons, didn't have cut and paste, no GPS, limited to EDGE, poor battery life, chunky, no apps not even web apps, the awful handling of MSS via weblink), just like the original iPad (heavy, a screen that was unusable in daylight), just like the original watch (slow, no GPS, no cellular, no apps), Mac OS X 1.0 (Apple wouldn't even install this on new computers, that happened with 10.1) None of these things were flawless but their flaws didn't indicate they were rushed. The Vision Pro and its limitations are most reminiscent of the original iPhone. The hardware is what it is is but there is plenty of room to work on buffing out the software and I'd impinge Apple will do this quickly like the did with what was then called iPhoneOS.
If you want to look at truly disastrous products from Apple then check out the TAM or Powerbook 5300. And if you want to see a complete train wreck of a product that was released by modern day Apple, look no further than Mobile Me. That one led Steve to say something like "...why would you trust the company that brought you Mobile Me?
Apple under Steve very much had it's moments of chasing the market and following trends. iTunes was Apple playing catch up to what others were doing, Ping was Apple's lame attempt to jump on the social media bandwagon In the .mac announcement Steve specially called out other people doing Internet service so Apple was going to do them asl well. The xServe and xServe Raid was Apple chasing the enterprise market with products that weren't terribly compelling or unique.
As for controlling the narrative, Steve Jobs in Katie Cotten were very active in working with the press whenever a journalist said something unflattering. They also didn't wait until keynotes or product releases to get in front of things. Steve's "Thoughts on Flash" is a good example of Apple getting out in front of a narrative that was bubbling up that Apple didn't like. Another example is when Greenpeace led an effective PR campaign against Apple and Steve addressed that head on as well. Steve was also very much was interested in what pundits would say. In particular he was fond of Walt Mossberg and would bring him up his quotes about Appel in keynotes and interviews.
So, yeah.... thanks for confirming my suspension that you are newer to Apple and depend on the mythological version of the Steve years rather than the reality.
Talk about disingenuous. Not only are you wrong, but you lie on purpose. I posted about the demo in an article about it. Since the info at the time was that it would be part of the purchase process, that’s what I commented on. You knew that but wanted to pretend I invented that thought just to advance you false narrative. But that’s not new for you.
I’ve pointed out enough hard facts as to why it’s rushed -as you know since you follow me around. But I also mentioned the fact that it’s also all over YouTube. Even mkbhd has pointed out the limitations that make it seem not ready for prime time. It’s so underwhelming that all anyone can say is “this is good news for 2nd gen.” Not a glowing endorsement.
And no I’m not new to apple. But you’re not interested in honesty. Only in stories. Tell another one. It’s nearly bedtime.
i get that you really really want so badly to believe that this is the greatest thing since scrambled eggs. You really really want it to be better than it is. You really want others to think that too.
But the reality is it’s just a first gen headset thst doesn’t really do much different than say a meta quest.
It’s a nice, niche little vr headset that works like a vr headset, but is priced like a pro mac.
You can’t rate the thing based on what you hope it will be someday. You rate it based on what you have in front of you.
There was an article on this site where it was claimed that an apple employee was frustrated that the majority of vp returns were “the &@$!# YouTubers!.”
So… the YouTubers who make money reviewing the Vision Pro were so unimpressed they didn’t want to keep it? Just another indicator that it’s not the next big thing.
Certainly that wouldn’t have been the case with the first iPod, iPhone, etc.
Any design/manufacturing process can result in defects.
The numbers here seem particularly low given the exposure to the media the VP.
Only time and examination of the affected parts will tell.
For a luxury device where the customer has said the device was treated correctly I do believe a 'no questions asked' straight swap would be better than activating the Applecare option as that leaves a bad taste in the mouth but the 'issue' itself, at least right now, still seems to be affecting only a tiny fraction of users.
I wonder if the system has any fall or impact detection capabilities while not in active use.
For a luxury device where the customer has said the device was treated correctly I do believe a 'no questions asked' straight swap would be better than activating the Applecare option as that leaves a bad taste in the mouth but the 'issue' itself, at least right now, still seems to be affecting only a tiny fraction of users.
Right on. We don't need another "You're holding it wrong" flavored meme associated with this product.
Overall, it reeks of being a rushed product, notwithstanding the very good initial reviews.
It was clearly rushed. Reports of apple internal staff not being sold on it was a big red flag.
The reveal wasn’t compelling and now that it’s in the wild, it’s pretty much another headset in the market. But with better hardware. It has its limitations and flaws, but it’s a good headset overrall.
I think if Microsoft launched it or meta came out with it and called it the quest ultra or whatever, it would be reviewed well but the price would be laughed at and it wouldn’t sell outside of a tiny group. Only apple can command the really big dollars with something like this, niche or no.
Decent effort? Sure. Rushed product? 100%
I think apple leadership is at this weird place where they feel like it’s run by a committee instead of a clear focused vision. Too many cooks in the kitchen nowadays.
Old apple used to allow the naysayers to go around… naysaying. Then at Macworld or whatever, they’d drop the nuke and laugh all the way to the bank.
Nowadays they feel like they have address misperceptions, control “the narrative,” and get ahead of bad publicity.
The Vision Pro seems to be a reaction to “hey guys meta is going to change the whole digital landscape. We neees to do it better. Oh and HoloLens is getting a pro market. This vice thing is really up there with the specs so we need to beat that. But let’s not use any entrenched vocabulary. We want to build a better headset but avoid comparisons with headsets ok guys? This is not a headset from now on ok?”
Apple shouldn’t have released a headset. They should have learned from the process and kept secretly getting it into glasses/sunglasses, or I don’t know, something really out there like bio powered contacts. Something truly magical. Not… a headset.
But here we are. It’s ok. Nothing groundbreaking. But it’s good for what it is.
It’s not a bad product. It’s just not “apple.” Would be better if they launched experimental stuff under a sub brand like Beats or something. Actually, I think that’s a viable solution for current apple with stuff like this.
Apple used to be the adult in the room amongst the chaotic wannabe fad products, the doomsayers, the two-day trendsetters, etc. then when the children were done spazzing out and running around the room, patient apple steps in, laughs “silly little children,” and shows them why they had nothing to worry about, reveals the thing they never knew they always needed/wanted, and paves the way forward for the entire industry.
Whoever the next ceo is, I hope it’s a product guy, but someone with the supply chain understanding of cook or at least humble enough to have an equally humble and trusted “right hand man” working with him who is a supply chain/managerial genius to see those product done justice.
Cook has done wonders in building decent sized apple into megaladon apple. But it’s looking a little shaky on the product front with only the tubby iMac and dissing the big iMac peoole for the Mac Studio which also disses the max pro, then the Vision Pro, the continual lag of Apple TV +, the fiasco that was Apple Music for a while, etc. the watch I think was actually a big hit. I don’t think many of us realized that when it launched and the initial reliance on iPhone was a pain but it’s kind of a must have now (especially once the glucose situation gets sorted - FDA recent politics notwithstanding). If and when the apple car materializes, that will be a very big deal also-but it will be a substantial energy investment as apple can’t just develop the car and ride it out. They’ll need to continue to improve, release new hardware and software features, models, etc. so cook hasn’t been without product vision. It’s just not his major forte.
But a new/old guy with product line as his gift would be most welcome. Get things back to making sense and pushing the envelope - only to open when it’s clearly ready.
So it’s 100% rushed but you don’t actually point out anything that makes it rushed. You just seemed to think that if you repeat it enough you will be correct.
The only thing we can gather from the rest of your comment is you are relatively to Apple and believe some myth you have heard about how Apple ran under Steve Jobs.
Jobs completely created the culture of controlling the narrative and very much had things to say to and about naysayers. If anything Apple is more tightlipped now about critics than it was then.
The one thing that has been consistent is there is always some knob that thinks they know what Apple should and shouldn’t do and really doesn’t know what they are taking about. For a long time it was Ric Ford of Macintouch fame, then there Bill Palmer and his various website with screeds about how gerrijg rid of the eMac and keeping the Mac mini was going to cause the company to fail … now we got you.
I've said enough in previous posts and YouTube is full of the info you need. But you prefer to bury your head in the sand - or in Apple speak, power on your reality. distortion. field.
And no Jobs didn't control the narrative. Sure, he made some stupid comments about holding the iPhone 4. wrong, etc., but that was the rare miss. And he. didn't get. out. in. front of rumors at every. opportunity. Instead, he waited until reveal/launch day, made some jokes about rumors floating. around, revealed a compelling. product, and let that be. the. punctuation mark, cementing why. the pundits were stupid. big difference from running around publicly addressing hearsay every day. When Jobs had to address something, he. either did it with a new product, or it was done behind the scenes with legal takedowns, etc. None of this knee-jerk stuff we get now.
The problem with your pointing to your other comments is that you often get things wrong. Not your opinions but things that are objectively verifiable. For example you went on and on about how Apple having to do a 30 minute tutorial of the product when purchasing it was proof of how bad it was. The problem with that being that Apple wasn't doing a 30 minute tutorial as parting of the buying process. They were offering 30 minute walk throughs to people that were interested in the product and wanted to see how it worked. So, I'm going to pass on reading your comment history since what you get wrong, don't know or misunderstand could fill a very large hole. I have watched some YouTube reviews, MKBHD in particular and he has said nothing about the product being rushed. Mostly though I am going on my own experience. I have one and I have used it daily since the day after it was released. I feel like first hand experience is going to be far more informed.
The Vision Pro is a fist generation production and has the limitations of a first generation product. Just like the original iPhone (Couldn't arrange icons, didn't have cut and paste, no GPS, limited to EDGE, poor battery life, chunky, no apps not even web apps, the awful handling of MSS via weblink), just like the original iPad (heavy, a screen that was unusable in daylight), just like the original watch (slow, no GPS, no cellular, no apps), Mac OS X 1.0 (Apple wouldn't even install this on new computers, that happened with 10.1) None of these things were flawless but their flaws didn't indicate they were rushed. The Vision Pro and its limitations are most reminiscent of the original iPhone. The hardware is what it is is but there is plenty of room to work on buffing out the software and I'd impinge Apple will do this quickly like the did with what was then called iPhoneOS.
If you want to look at truly disastrous products from Apple then check out the TAM or Powerbook 5300. And if you want to see a complete train wreck of a product that was released by modern day Apple, look no further than Mobile Me. That one led Steve to say something like "...why would you trust the company that brought you Mobile Me?
Apple under Steve very much had it's moments of chasing the market and following trends. iTunes was Apple playing catch up to what others were doing, Ping was Apple's lame attempt to jump on the social media bandwagon In the .mac announcement Steve specially called out other people doing Internet service so Apple was going to do them asl well. The xServe and xServe Raid was Apple chasing the enterprise market with products that weren't terribly compelling or unique.
As for controlling the narrative, Steve Jobs in Katie Cotten were very active in working with the press whenever a journalist said something unflattering. They also didn't wait until keynotes or product releases to get in front of things. Steve's "Thoughts on Flash" is a good example of Apple getting out in front of a narrative that was bubbling up that Apple didn't like. Another example is when Greenpeace led an effective PR campaign against Apple and Steve addressed that head on as well. Steve was also very much was interested in what pundits would say. In particular he was fond of Walt Mossberg and would bring him up his quotes about Appel in keynotes and interviews.
So, yeah.... thanks for confirming my suspension that you are newer to Apple and depend on the mythological version of the Steve years rather than the reality.
Talk about disingenuous. Not only are you wrong, but you lie on purpose. I posted about the demo in an article about it. Since the info at the time was that it would be part of the purchase process, that’s what I commented on. You knew that but wanted to pretend I invented that thought just to advance you false narrative. But that’s not new for you.
I’ve pointed out enough hard facts as to why it’s rushed -as you know since you follow me around. But I also mentioned the fact that it’s also all over YouTube. Even mkbhd has pointed out the limitations that make it seem not ready for prime time. It’s so underwhelming that all anyone can say is “this is good news for 2nd gen.” Not a glowing endorsement.
And no I’m not new to apple. But you’re not interested in honesty. Only in stories. Tell another one. It’s nearly bedtime.
i get that you really really want so badly to believe that this is the greatest thing since scrambled eggs. You really really want it to be better than it is. You really want others to think that too.
But the reality is it’s just a first gen headset thst doesn’t really do much different than say a meta quest.
It’s a nice, niche little vr headset that works like a vr headset, but is priced like a pro mac.
You can’t rate the thing based on what you hope it will be someday. You rate it based on what you have in front of you.
There was an article on this site where it was claimed that an apple employee was frustrated that the majority of vp returns were “the &@$!# YouTubers!.”
So… the YouTubers who make money reviewing the Vision Pro were so unimpressed they didn’t want to keep it? Just another indicator that it’s not the next big thing.
Certainly that wouldn’t have been the case with the first iPod, iPhone, etc.
You certainly enjoy typing.
My recollection from engineering classes 50 years ago is that is a classic example of stress in a corner, the corner being the nose bridge, creating a fracture.
Given that there are so few examples to date, Apple engineers will likely want to have those examples brought in house for examination. I'd surmise that there will be some changes to the design to mitigate that specific stress riser a bit more, maybe even a bonded bolster on the nose bridge, and some changes to the manufacturing process.
Nothing to do with that part nor the VP being "rushed" into production, in my opinion, just additional data on real world use.
On that note, Apple should suck it up and provide a fix at no charge to the customer.
It's probably one of the false claims made by haters, as has always been the case when it comes to new products from Apple. There's no way Apple hasn't tested the durability of the $3,500 product.
So, this seems to have turned out to be nothing or close to nothing. Despite the original article offering very little to substantiate the existence of an issue, along with a subsequent claim in the comments here that AI had more substantial info coming in on this, it’s been weeks with no updates to this article and no further coverage of the issue that would show this to have been some sort of a “scoop” on an emerging product failure.
One would think that with some chatter on Reddit and/or YouTube in the absence of any reports of this problem in the normal service and repair channels where manufacturing defects should turn up, this blockbuster might’ve waited for more info before rolling with it.
So this just hangs out there as an insinuation of something terribly wrong, with no real validation, but also no correction or retraction. Ok then.
This is clearly a design defect. Reminds me of the old “mold lines” in the G4 Cube.
They were cracks.
They were NOT cracks, they were mold lines. I've NEVER seen a Cube with a single crack in the plastic, and I've seen a lot of cubes. I've got two of them, the mold lines are clearly visible, there are ZERO cracks.
Overall, it reeks of being a rushed product, notwithstanding the very good initial reviews.
It was clearly rushed. Reports of apple internal staff not being sold on it was a big red flag.
The reveal wasn’t compelling and now that it’s in the wild, it’s pretty much another headset in the market. But with better hardware. It has its limitations and flaws, but it’s a good headset overrall.
I think if Microsoft launched it or meta came out with it and called it the quest ultra or whatever, it would be reviewed well but the price would be laughed at and it wouldn’t sell outside of a tiny group. Only apple can command the really big dollars with something like this, niche or no.
Decent effort? Sure. Rushed product? 100%
I think apple leadership is at this weird place where they feel like it’s run by a committee instead of a clear focused vision. Too many cooks in the kitchen nowadays.
Old apple used to allow the naysayers to go around… naysaying. Then at Macworld or whatever, they’d drop the nuke and laugh all the way to the bank.
Nowadays they feel like they have address misperceptions, control “the narrative,” and get ahead of bad publicity.
The Vision Pro seems to be a reaction to “hey guys meta is going to change the whole digital landscape. We neees to do it better. Oh and HoloLens is getting a pro market. This vice thing is really up there with the specs so we need to beat that. But let’s not use any entrenched vocabulary. We want to build a better headset but avoid comparisons with headsets ok guys? This is not a headset from now on ok?”
Apple shouldn’t have released a headset. They should have learned from the process and kept secretly getting it into glasses/sunglasses, or I don’t know, something really out there like bio powered contacts. Something truly magical. Not… a headset.
But here we are. It’s ok. Nothing groundbreaking. But it’s good for what it is.
It’s not a bad product. It’s just not “apple.” Would be better if they launched experimental stuff under a sub brand like Beats or something. Actually, I think that’s a viable solution for current apple with stuff like this.
Apple used to be the adult in the room amongst the chaotic wannabe fad products, the doomsayers, the two-day trendsetters, etc. then when the children were done spazzing out and running around the room, patient apple steps in, laughs “silly little children,” and shows them why they had nothing to worry about, reveals the thing they never knew they always needed/wanted, and paves the way forward for the entire industry.
Whoever the next ceo is, I hope it’s a product guy, but someone with the supply chain understanding of cook or at least humble enough to have an equally humble and trusted “right hand man” working with him who is a supply chain/managerial genius to see those product done justice.
Cook has done wonders in building decent sized apple into megaladon apple. But it’s looking a little shaky on the product front with only the tubby iMac and dissing the big iMac peoole for the Mac Studio which also disses the max pro, then the Vision Pro, the continual lag of Apple TV +, the fiasco that was Apple Music for a while, etc. the watch I think was actually a big hit. I don’t think many of us realized that when it launched and the initial reliance on iPhone was a pain but it’s kind of a must have now (especially once the glucose situation gets sorted - FDA recent politics notwithstanding). If and when the apple car materializes, that will be a very big deal also-but it will be a substantial energy investment as apple can’t just develop the car and ride it out. They’ll need to continue to improve, release new hardware and software features, models, etc. so cook hasn’t been without product vision. It’s just not his major forte.
But a new/old guy with product line as his gift would be most welcome. Get things back to making sense and pushing the envelope - only to open when it’s clearly ready.
So it’s 100% rushed but you don’t actually point out anything that makes it rushed. You just seemed to think that if you repeat it enough you will be correct.
The only thing we can gather from the rest of your comment is you are relatively to Apple and believe some myth you have heard about how Apple ran under Steve Jobs.
Jobs completely created the culture of controlling the narrative and very much had things to say to and about naysayers. If anything Apple is more tightlipped now about critics than it was then.
The one thing that has been consistent is there is always some knob that thinks they know what Apple should and shouldn’t do and really doesn’t know what they are taking about. For a long time it was Ric Ford of Macintouch fame, then there Bill Palmer and his various website with screeds about how gerrijg rid of the eMac and keeping the Mac mini was going to cause the company to fail … now we got you.
I've said enough in previous posts and YouTube is full of the info you need. But you prefer to bury your head in the sand - or in Apple speak, power on your reality. distortion. field.
And no Jobs didn't control the narrative. Sure, he made some stupid comments about holding the iPhone 4. wrong, etc., but that was the rare miss. And he. didn't get. out. in. front of rumors at every. opportunity. Instead, he waited until reveal/launch day, made some jokes about rumors floating. around, revealed a compelling. product, and let that be. the. punctuation mark, cementing why. the pundits were stupid. big difference from running around publicly addressing hearsay every day. When Jobs had to address something, he. either did it with a new product, or it was done behind the scenes with legal takedowns, etc. None of this knee-jerk stuff we get now.
The problem with your pointing to your other comments is that you often get things wrong. Not your opinions but things that are objectively verifiable. For example you went on and on about how Apple having to do a 30 minute tutorial of the product when purchasing it was proof of how bad it was. The problem with that being that Apple wasn't doing a 30 minute tutorial as parting of the buying process. They were offering 30 minute walk throughs to people that were interested in the product and wanted to see how it worked. So, I'm going to pass on reading your comment history since what you get wrong, don't know or misunderstand could fill a very large hole. I have watched some YouTube reviews, MKBHD in particular and he has said nothing about the product being rushed. Mostly though I am going on my own experience. I have one and I have used it daily since the day after it was released. I feel like first hand experience is going to be far more informed.
The Vision Pro is a fist generation production and has the limitations of a first generation product. Just like the original iPhone (Couldn't arrange icons, didn't have cut and paste, no GPS, limited to EDGE, poor battery life, chunky, no apps not even web apps, the awful handling of MSS via weblink), just like the original iPad (heavy, a screen that was unusable in daylight), just like the original watch (slow, no GPS, no cellular, no apps), Mac OS X 1.0 (Apple wouldn't even install this on new computers, that happened with 10.1) None of these things were flawless but their flaws didn't indicate they were rushed. The Vision Pro and its limitations are most reminiscent of the original iPhone. The hardware is what it is is but there is plenty of room to work on buffing out the software and I'd impinge Apple will do this quickly like the did with what was then called iPhoneOS.
If you want to look at truly disastrous products from Apple then check out the TAM or Powerbook 5300. And if you want to see a complete train wreck of a product that was released by modern day Apple, look no further than Mobile Me. That one led Steve to say something like "...why would you trust the company that brought you Mobile Me?
Apple under Steve very much had it's moments of chasing the market and following trends. iTunes was Apple playing catch up to what others were doing, Ping was Apple's lame attempt to jump on the social media bandwagon In the .mac announcement Steve specially called out other people doing Internet service so Apple was going to do them asl well. The xServe and xServe Raid was Apple chasing the enterprise market with products that weren't terribly compelling or unique.
As for controlling the narrative, Steve Jobs in Katie Cotten were very active in working with the press whenever a journalist said something unflattering. They also didn't wait until keynotes or product releases to get in front of things. Steve's "Thoughts on Flash" is a good example of Apple getting out in front of a narrative that was bubbling up that Apple didn't like. Another example is when Greenpeace led an effective PR campaign against Apple and Steve addressed that head on as well. Steve was also very much was interested in what pundits would say. In particular he was fond of Walt Mossberg and would bring him up his quotes about Appel in keynotes and interviews.
So, yeah.... thanks for confirming my suspension that you are newer to Apple and depend on the mythological version of the Steve years rather than the reality.
Talk about disingenuous. Not only are you wrong, but you lie on purpose. I posted about the demo in an article about it. Since the info at the time was that it would be part of the purchase process, that’s what I commented on. You knew that but wanted to pretend I invented that thought just to advance you false narrative. But that’s not new for you.
I’ve pointed out enough hard facts as to why it’s rushed -as you know since you follow me around. But I also mentioned the fact that it’s also all over YouTube. Even mkbhd has pointed out the limitations that make it seem not ready for prime time. It’s so underwhelming that all anyone can say is “this is good news for 2nd gen.” Not a glowing endorsement.
And no I’m not new to apple. But you’re not interested in honesty. Only in stories. Tell another one. It’s nearly bedtime.
i get that you really really want so badly to believe that this is the greatest thing since scrambled eggs. You really really want it to be better than it is. You really want others to think that too.
But the reality is it’s just a first gen headset thst doesn’t really do much different than say a meta quest.
It’s a nice, niche little vr headset that works like a vr headset, but is priced like a pro mac.
You can’t rate the thing based on what you hope it will be someday. You rate it based on what you have in front of you.
There was an article on this site where it was claimed that an apple employee was frustrated that the majority of vp returns were “the &@$!# YouTubers!.”
So… the YouTubers who make money reviewing the Vision Pro were so unimpressed they didn’t want to keep it? Just another indicator that it’s not the next big thing.
Certainly that wouldn’t have been the case with the first iPod, iPhone, etc.
My recollection from engineering classes 50 years ago is that is a classic example of stress in a corner, the corner being the nose bridge, creating a fracture.
Perhaps the owners of these damaged devices have extraordinarily large noses.
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And no Jobs didn't control the narrative. Sure, he made some stupid comments about holding the iPhone 4. wrong, etc., but that was the rare miss. And he. didn't get. out. in. front of rumors at every. opportunity. Instead, he waited until reveal/launch day, made some jokes about rumors floating. around, revealed a compelling. product, and let that be. the. punctuation mark, cementing why. the pundits were stupid. big difference from running around publicly addressing hearsay every day. When Jobs had to address something, he. either did it with a new product, or it was done behind the scenes with legal takedowns, etc. None of this knee-jerk stuff we get now.
The Vision Pro is a fist generation production and has the limitations of a first generation product. Just like the original iPhone (Couldn't arrange icons, didn't have cut and paste, no GPS, limited to EDGE, poor battery life, chunky, no apps not even web apps, the awful handling of MSS via weblink), just like the original iPad (heavy, a screen that was unusable in daylight), just like the original watch (slow, no GPS, no cellular, no apps), Mac OS X 1.0 (Apple wouldn't even install this on new computers, that happened with 10.1) None of these things were flawless but their flaws didn't indicate they were rushed. The Vision Pro and its limitations are most reminiscent of the original iPhone. The hardware is what it is is but there is plenty of room to work on buffing out the software and I'd impinge Apple will do this quickly like the did with what was then called iPhoneOS.
If you want to look at truly disastrous products from Apple then check out the TAM or Powerbook 5300. And if you want to see a complete train wreck of a product that was released by modern day Apple, look no further than Mobile Me. That one led Steve to say something like "...why would you trust the company that brought you Mobile Me?
Apple under Steve very much had it's moments of chasing the market and following trends. iTunes was Apple playing catch up to what others were doing, Ping was Apple's lame attempt to jump on the social media bandwagon In the .mac announcement Steve specially called out other people doing Internet service so Apple was going to do them asl well. The xServe and xServe Raid was Apple chasing the enterprise market with products that weren't terribly compelling or unique.
As for controlling the narrative, Steve Jobs in Katie Cotten were very active in working with the press whenever a journalist said something unflattering. They also didn't wait until keynotes or product releases to get in front of things. Steve's "Thoughts on Flash" is a good example of Apple getting out in front of a narrative that was bubbling up that Apple didn't like. Another example is when Greenpeace led an effective PR campaign against Apple and Steve addressed that head on as well. Steve was also very much was interested in what pundits would say. In particular he was fond of Walt Mossberg and would bring him up his quotes about Appel in keynotes and interviews.
So, yeah.... thanks for confirming my suspension that you are newer to Apple and depend on the mythological version of the Steve years rather than the reality.
I think in your zeal to find fault with the user, you misconstrued the instruct8ons you shared with us. That’s not cool
i get that you really really want so badly to believe that this is the greatest thing since scrambled eggs. You really really want it to be better than it is. You really want others to think that too.
The numbers here seem particularly low given the exposure to the media the VP.
Only time and examination of the affected parts will tell.
For a luxury device where the customer has said the device was treated correctly I do believe a 'no questions asked' straight swap would be better than activating the Applecare option as that leaves a bad taste in the mouth but the 'issue' itself, at least right now, still seems to be affecting only a tiny fraction of users.
I wonder if the system has any fall or impact detection capabilities while not in active use.
My recollection from engineering classes 50 years ago is that is a classic example of stress in a corner, the corner being the nose bridge, creating a fracture.
Given that there are so few examples to date, Apple engineers will likely want to have those examples brought in house for examination. I'd surmise that there will be some changes to the design to mitigate that specific stress riser a bit more, maybe even a bonded bolster on the nose bridge, and some changes to the manufacturing process.
Nothing to do with that part nor the VP being "rushed" into production, in my opinion, just additional data on real world use.
On that note, Apple should suck it up and provide a fix at no charge to the customer.