Bloomberg's Mark Gurman reports that Apple's next-gen CarPlay still runs on the iPhone, which provides greater flexibility, but no opportunity for licensing harvesting user data.
FTFY
The article is written confusingly and may give readers a mistaken impression.
The new version will run natively on the vehicle, licensed from Apple but integrated by the manufacturer for its purposes. Apple is relinquishing some control, offering the software, but turning hardware over to the manufacturers. It won't be running from the iPhone. Of course, manufacturers will have expanded access to data, and opportunity for monetizing if that's their intent, and it is for nearly all of them.
Which article are you referring to? This one and the Bloomberg article both say that CarPlay will not be integrated with the vehicle and will still run on a connected iPhone. Are you reading something that says otherwise or speculating?
That's two different things. Yes, the "new" Carplay will be backward compatible and will still work from your iPhone just as it always has as I understand it.
BUT IN ADDITION, Apple will be licensing the OS to automakers to integrate with their own hardware, not the iPhone. Essentially the same as Google is doing with Android Automotive which is not the same as Android Auto, the latter which still works directly from an Android phone.
That’s the opposite of what Gurman is saying. Here’s his quote, “The new CarPlay is a response to that. Apple hopes it can win over users and automakers with a slicker interface and greater customization. There is one big difference, though: The new CarPlay still runs on the iPhone and isn’t a new OS embedded in the vehicle.”
And, “Apple explored turning the new CarPlay into a full operating system that runs on cars directly. But the approach would have worked best with Apple-designed chips and other proprietary technologies, like displays. It wasn’t seen as practical to install that in cars.”
It appears you are getting information that is something other than what Gurman is saying. Do you have a link? I’d be interested in reading the other take.
Apple has sufficient development efforts (that are now being written off) that provides a rich information & design base shift to the auto industry. The ability to basically ignore written off historic costs allows Apple to work with all car sectors. They can put them in Mercedes as well as Corollas, ending up as acting as an ongoing advertising program for iPhones.
Personally I would love being able to customize my dashboard. I don't need a tach and would love to simplify the overall dash - like speed showing in color, based on the current speed limit. Green for safe, Orange for Warning and Red for Speeding - watch out for cops who are watching out for you.
I sure don't need self driving, but I would like cameras in front and rear being able to continuously record fore and aft in case there is an accident.
Apple can leverage their design creativity and invested development to a success using higher volume with lower pricing for all price ranges I cars.
Bloomberg's Mark Gurman reports that Apple's next-gen CarPlay still runs on the iPhone, which provides greater flexibility, but no opportunity for licensing harvesting user data.
FTFY
The article is written confusingly and may give readers a mistaken impression.
The new version will run natively on the vehicle, licensed from Apple but integrated by the manufacturer for its purposes. Apple is relinquishing some control, offering the software, but turning hardware over to the manufacturers. It won't be running from the iPhone. Of course, manufacturers will have expanded access to data, and opportunity for monetizing if that's their intent, and it is for nearly all of them.
Which article are you referring to? This one and the Bloomberg article both say that CarPlay will not be integrated with the vehicle and will still run on a connected iPhone. Are you reading something that says otherwise or speculating?
That's two different things. Yes, the "new" Carplay will be backward compatible and will still work from your iPhone just as it always has as I understand it.
BUT IN ADDITION, Apple will be licensing the OS to automakers to integrate with their own hardware, not the iPhone. Essentially the same as Google is doing with Android Automotive which is not the same as Android Auto, the latter which still works directly from an Android phone.
That’s the opposite of what Gurman is saying. Here’s his quote, “The new CarPlay is a response to that. Apple hopes it can win over users and automakers with a slicker interface and greater customization. There is one big difference, though: The new CarPlay still runs on the iPhone and isn’t a new OS embedded in the vehicle.”
And, “Apple explored turning the new CarPlay into a full operating system that runs on cars directly. But the approach would have worked best with Apple-designed chips and other proprietary technologies, like displays. It wasn’t seen as practical to install that in cars.”
It appears you are getting information that is something other than what Gurman is saying. Do you have a link? I’d be interested in reading the other take.
So after another dozen DM's with an automotive systems engineer on LinkedIn, the following of a discussion thread on McRumors, and reading a couple more techy articles, the engineer I was mostly relying on may be overstating the situation with the new Carplay 2.0, as are some commenters on McRumors. Or not. It may well be that an iPhone is still required for steaming Apple services, and equally true that Apple is allowing the manufacturers to collect extended data in return for sharing in-vehicle telematics with them.
I'm no longer as certain that the OEMs will be as in-control as was being implied, or that Apple is giving them as much freedom with hardware integration as was originally stated by a couple of sources. I'll step back into a wait and see how it actually plays out, which will be a few months from now at the earliest.
My apologies for being so certain earlier. Now I'm not.
Bloomberg's Mark Gurman reports that Apple's next-gen CarPlay still runs on the iPhone, which provides greater flexibility, but no opportunity for licensing harvesting user data.
FTFY
The article is written confusingly and may give readers a mistaken impression.
The new version will run natively on the vehicle, licensed from Apple but integrated by the manufacturer for its purposes. Apple is relinquishing some control, offering the software, but turning hardware over to the manufacturers. It won't be running from the iPhone. Of course, manufacturers will have expanded access to data, and opportunity for monetizing if that's their intent, and it is for nearly all of them.
Which article are you referring to? This one and the Bloomberg article both say that CarPlay will not be integrated with the vehicle and will still run on a connected iPhone. Are you reading something that says otherwise or speculating?
That's two different things. Yes, the "new" Carplay will be backward compatible and will still work from your iPhone just as it always has as I understand it.
BUT IN ADDITION, Apple will be licensing the OS to automakers to integrate with their own hardware, not the iPhone. Essentially the same as Google is doing with Android Automotive which is not the same as Android Auto, the latter which still works directly from an Android phone.
That’s the opposite of what Gurman is saying. Here’s his quote, “The new CarPlay is a response to that. Apple hopes it can win over users and automakers with a slicker interface and greater customization. There is one big difference, though: The new CarPlay still runs on the iPhone and isn’t a new OS embedded in the vehicle.”
And, “Apple explored turning the new CarPlay into a full operating system that runs on cars directly. But the approach would have worked best with Apple-designed chips and other proprietary technologies, like displays. It wasn’t seen as practical to install that in cars.”
It appears you are getting information that is something other than what Gurman is saying. Do you have a link? I’d be interested in reading the other take.
So after another dozen DM's with an automotive systems engineer on LinkedIn, the following of a discussion thread on McRumors, and reading a couple more techy articles, the engineer I was mostly relying on may be overstating the situation with the new Carplay 2.0, as are some commenters on McRumors. Or not. It may well be that an iPhone is still required for steaming Apple services, and equally true that Apple is allowing the manufacturers to collect extended data in return for sharing in-vehicle telematics with them.
I'm no longer as certain that the OEMs will be as in-control as was being implied, or that Apple is giving them as much freedom with hardware integration as was originally stated by a couple of sources. I'll step back into a wait and see how it actually plays out, which will be a few months from now at the earliest.
My apologies for being so certain earlier. Now I'm not.
Oh, gotcha. That’s too bad, was hoping to read up!
I read that other article you linked to (and another that one linked to) about how much info cars are capturing. It’s interesting but I’m not sure how much of it is accurate. If I’m reading it correctly the article mostly leans on what the manufacturer’s privacy policies state, not things that are actually happening. For instance, it says that some privacy policy says it can collect data about passengers in a vehicle, but it doesn’t mention how that would be possible. I can make assumptions, like perhaps an in-car camera may get a photo of a passenger, but I don’t know if that’s accurate or even what they are referencing regarding collection of passenger data. For sure, they aren’t passively acquiring passenger data from the passenger’s phone. Another mentioned the car can get access to a phone’s photo library. Really? How is that happening without the phone’s owner being aware of it or at least giving permission on their phone? Don’t get me wrong, I’m not asking you these questions, just pointing out that the linked article seems to be based on what a privacy policy says.
Google's Android running in automotive hardware as an operating system while Apple's CarPlay runs on iPhones while projecting to (mostly) dumb terminal displays is consistent with both companies' approaches to everything else. It shouldn't be surprising. Android is an OS designed to run on third-party hardware. With the exception of the time of Steve Jobs' exile, Apple has made a very good business of only writing operating systems for its own hardware.
Automakers meanwhile are finding themselves in a truly awkward position, brought on by the introduction of iPhone and iOS followed by the rapid evolution and adoption of satnav systems. Prior to iOS, it was rare in any industry to expect a company to continue to provide updates, upgrade and new features - for free - to a product that has already been sold. Yes, there were recalls to fix things and mostly cosmetic add-ons that could be purchased later, but car companies have only been in the business of adding and upgrading features to new models. Then they started offering (at a premium) built-in satnav systems, which were notoriously awful and any available updates required a visit to the dealer for installation. Better as a customer to skip the premium option and use a Garmin or eventually a smartphone, mounted on the dashboard or windshield. That wasn't optimal, but at least the maps could be regularly updated at home.
Enter CarPlay and Android Auto. Car manufacturers could just include a terminal screen and let the customer connect their own phone. Then car manufacturers can benefit from the rapid update cycle inherent in smartphones without doing any of the work, and without the longer replacement cycle of cars as compared to phones making the cars seem out-of-date before a typical customer has even paid off the loan. Problem solved.
Ah, but now they're making hybrids and EVs, which require user-facing computers built-into the car. Do they still turn over a screen and speakers to Apple and Android? What about CarPlay 2.0, with added data and user controls integrated into CarPlay? What about when it looks like Apple is developing its own EV entirely, which will compete directly with automakers also being asked to consider handing over a screen to Apple? I think this is what opened the door for the deals to directly install Android OS into some brands of cars. Now with Apple apparently dropping out of the Apple Car lane, that dynamic will change again. It might've been worth it to shut CarPlay out if they were going to make a competing car, but if they're not, then it very much would not be worth it to have a not-insignificant number of customers not to even consider a company's cars because CarPlay is not an option.
Google's Android running in automotive hardware as an operating system while Apple's CarPlay runs on iPhones while projecting to (mostly) dumb terminal displays is consistent with both companies' approaches to everything else. It shouldn't be surprising. Android is an OS designed to run on third-party hardware. With the exception of the time of Steve Jobs' exile, Apple has made a very good business of only writing operating systems for its own hardware....
Now with Apple apparently dropping out of the Apple Car lane, that dynamic will change again. It might've been worth it to shut CarPlay out if they were going to make a competing car, but if they're not, then it very much would not be worth it to have a not-insignificant number of customers not to even consider a company's cars because CarPlay is not an option.
Carplay will run under Android Automotive. That OS doesn't remove compatibility for Android Auto or Apple CarPlay, and both will still work with a car that runs it.
Ford CEO several years ago: "Your phone shouldn't be the reason you choose a car."
My response: "Compatibility with my iPhone is EXACTLY the reason why I would choose a car!"
My iPhone is an important part of and integral tool in my life. So, yeah, I expect my car to work flawlessly with it. I have already had experience with cars that don't work well with my iPhone and it is irritating as hell.
And I sure as hell don't want the map program of the car reporting every location I drive to and serving me commercials on the screen in my car!
Google's Android running in automotive hardware as an operating system while Apple's CarPlay runs on iPhones while projecting to (mostly) dumb terminal displays is consistent with both companies' approaches to everything else. It shouldn't be surprising. Android is an OS designed to run on third-party hardware. With the exception of the time of Steve Jobs' exile, Apple has made a very good business of only writing operating systems for its own hardware....
Now with Apple apparently dropping out of the Apple Car lane, that dynamic will change again. It might've been worth it to shut CarPlay out if they were going to make a competing car, but if they're not, then it very much would not be worth it to have a not-insignificant number of customers not to even consider a company's cars because CarPlay is not an option.
Carplay will run under Android Automotive. That OS doesn't remove compatibility for Android Auto or Apple CarPlay, and both will still work with a car that runs it.
Yeah, I don't think it does. Android Automotive is branded as Google built-in, and there's no indication anywhere I've found that CarPlay will run on top of that. It's a bit counterintuitive that it would. Also, it would be not only counter-intuitive, but daftly redundant for it to run Android Auto on top, since all of Android Auto's features are included and enhanced in the Google built-in platform. So if you have information outside of your own imagination that CarPlay is available in cars running Google built-in, you'll have to provide a reference link.
Google's Android running in automotive hardware as an operating system while Apple's CarPlay runs on iPhones while projecting to (mostly) dumb terminal displays is consistent with both companies' approaches to everything else. It shouldn't be surprising. Android is an OS designed to run on third-party hardware. With the exception of the time of Steve Jobs' exile, Apple has made a very good business of only writing operating systems for its own hardware....
Now with Apple apparently dropping out of the Apple Car lane, that dynamic will change again. It might've been worth it to shut CarPlay out if they were going to make a competing car, but if they're not, then it very much would not be worth it to have a not-insignificant number of customers not to even consider a company's cars because CarPlay is not an option.
Carplay will run under Android Automotive. That OS doesn't remove compatibility for Android Auto or Apple CarPlay, and both will still work with a car that runs it.
Yeah, I don't think it does. Android Automotive is branded as Google built-in, and there's no indication anywhere I've found that CarPlay will run on top of that. It's a bit counterintuitive that it would. Also, it would be not only counter-intuitive, but daftly redundant for it to run Android Auto on top, since all of Android Auto's features are included and enhanced in the Google built-in platform. So if you have information outside of your own imagination that CarPlay is available in cars running Google built-in, you'll have to provide a reference link.
Google's Android running in automotive hardware as an operating system while Apple's CarPlay runs on iPhones while projecting to (mostly) dumb terminal displays is consistent with both companies' approaches to everything else. It shouldn't be surprising. Android is an OS designed to run on third-party hardware. With the exception of the time of Steve Jobs' exile, Apple has made a very good business of only writing operating systems for its own hardware....
Now with Apple apparently dropping out of the Apple Car lane, that dynamic will change again. It might've been worth it to shut CarPlay out if they were going to make a competing car, but if they're not, then it very much would not be worth it to have a not-insignificant number of customers not to even consider a company's cars because CarPlay is not an option.
Carplay will run under Android Automotive. That OS doesn't remove compatibility for Android Auto or Apple CarPlay, and both will still work with a car that runs it.
Yeah, I don't think it does. Android Automotive is branded as Google built-in, and there's no indication anywhere I've found that CarPlay will run on top of that. It's a bit counterintuitive that it would. Also, it would be not only counter-intuitive, but daftly redundant for it to run Android Auto on top, since all of Android Auto's features are included and enhanced in the Google built-in platform. So if you have information outside of your own imagination that CarPlay is available in cars running Google built-in, you'll have to provide a reference link.
O.K. Good to see that some are doing that. Let's hope that practice is broadly adopted. It would be in automotive manufacturers' best interest not to so easily select themselves out of consideration by many customers.
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And, “Apple explored turning the new CarPlay into a full operating system that runs on cars directly. But the approach would have worked best with Apple-designed chips and other proprietary technologies, like displays. It wasn’t seen as practical to install that in cars.”
Personally I would love being able to customize my dashboard. I don't need a tach and would love to simplify the overall dash - like speed showing in color, based on the current speed limit. Green for safe, Orange for Warning and Red for Speeding - watch out for cops who are watching out for you.
I sure don't need self driving, but I would like cameras in front and rear being able to continuously record fore and aft in case there is an accident.
I'm no longer as certain that the OEMs will be as in-control as was being implied, or that Apple is giving them as much freedom with hardware integration as was originally stated by a couple of sources. I'll step back into a wait and see how it actually plays out, which will be a few months from now at the earliest.
My apologies for being so certain earlier. Now I'm not.
I read that other article you linked to (and another that one linked to) about how much info cars are capturing. It’s interesting but I’m not sure how much of it is accurate. If I’m reading it correctly the article mostly leans on what the manufacturer’s privacy policies state, not things that are actually happening. For instance, it says that some privacy policy says it can collect data about passengers in a vehicle, but it doesn’t mention how that would be possible. I can make assumptions, like perhaps an in-car camera may get a photo of a passenger, but I don’t know if that’s accurate or even what they are referencing regarding collection of passenger data. For sure, they aren’t passively acquiring passenger data from the passenger’s phone. Another mentioned the car can get access to a phone’s photo library. Really? How is that happening without the phone’s owner being aware of it or at least giving permission on their phone? Don’t get me wrong, I’m not asking you these questions, just pointing out that the linked article seems to be based on what a privacy policy says.
Automakers meanwhile are finding themselves in a truly awkward position, brought on by the introduction of iPhone and iOS followed by the rapid evolution and adoption of satnav systems. Prior to iOS, it was rare in any industry to expect a company to continue to provide updates, upgrade and new features - for free - to a product that has already been sold. Yes, there were recalls to fix things and mostly cosmetic add-ons that could be purchased later, but car companies have only been in the business of adding and upgrading features to new models. Then they started offering (at a premium) built-in satnav systems, which were notoriously awful and any available updates required a visit to the dealer for installation. Better as a customer to skip the premium option and use a Garmin or eventually a smartphone, mounted on the dashboard or windshield. That wasn't optimal, but at least the maps could be regularly updated at home.
Enter CarPlay and Android Auto. Car manufacturers could just include a terminal screen and let the customer connect their own phone. Then car manufacturers can benefit from the rapid update cycle inherent in smartphones without doing any of the work, and without the longer replacement cycle of cars as compared to phones making the cars seem out-of-date before a typical customer has even paid off the loan. Problem solved.
Ah, but now they're making hybrids and EVs, which require user-facing computers built-into the car. Do they still turn over a screen and speakers to Apple and Android? What about CarPlay 2.0, with added data and user controls integrated into CarPlay? What about when it looks like Apple is developing its own EV entirely, which will compete directly with automakers also being asked to consider handing over a screen to Apple? I think this is what opened the door for the deals to directly install Android OS into some brands of cars. Now with Apple apparently dropping out of the Apple Car lane, that dynamic will change again. It might've been worth it to shut CarPlay out if they were going to make a competing car, but if they're not, then it very much would not be worth it to have a not-insignificant number of customers not to even consider a company's cars because CarPlay is not an option.
My response: "Compatibility with my iPhone is EXACTLY the reason why I would choose a car!"
My iPhone is an important part of and integral tool in my life. So, yeah, I expect my car to work flawlessly with it. I have already had experience with cars that don't work well with my iPhone and it is irritating as hell.
And I sure as hell don't want the map program of the car reporting every location I drive to and serving me commercials on the screen in my car!
https://www.autoevolution.com/news/android-automotive-cars-get-carplay-support-because-really-why-not-191912.html
The magic of Android Automotive is its adaptability to the automaker's needs.