US DOJ attacks nearly every aspect of Apple's business in massive antitrust suit

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  • Reply 41 of 92
    9secondkox29secondkox2 Posts: 2,851member
    “super app”

    lol

    DOJ head literally made up the allegation to make it sound like disallowing competitors to set up their own app stores (I. E. Setting up a burner king in a McDonald’s) is somehow wrong. 

    The corruption is unreal. Wonder how tencent got that far in. 

    ———

    What’s that? You made a product and then had that audacity to choose for yourself how much profit you get? 


    edited March 21 baconstangradarthekatwatto_cobra
  • Reply 42 of 92
    They want access to everyone’s phones. This is about the fact that this government is having such a difficult time controlling their narrative and they want more access to be able to control it. Yes, I’m talking about the genocide in Gaza. It’s making clear to everyone the myth that the US as global peacekeeper is just that when the reality is that we are still colonizing the world and we’re the global bullies.

    Yes, the government wants more access to our phones, messages, and information. 

    Apparently, you have no idea what genocide is. What is happening in Gaza is war. Hamas declared war on Israel and is bent on the genocide all Israelis and all jews. It is their stated goal. Israel is pursuing the destruction of Hamas not the Palestinian people. I feel sorry for the Palestinians in Gaza, but they let Hamas do this since Israel pulled out of Gaza in 2005. 

    BTW - Genocide is what the Nazi’s were doing in Europe to 6 million jews and 4 million others they didn’t like. Don’t forget the 25 million Russian who died at the hands of the Nazi’s. 

    Sorry about this little tirade…
    edited March 21 williamlondon9secondkox2radarthekatwatto_cobra
  • Reply 43 of 92
    MadbumMadbum Posts: 536member
    I never voted or been political in my life but I will for sure vote clueless Biden out this November 

    ‪monopoly? There are more non-Apple phones; out there Biden and most are Chinese androids


    Biden is doing the bidding for Chinese communist owned Epic games with this lawsuit


    Joe Biden knows how to do two things.

    Siphon endless American money to Corrupt Ukraine and trying to take down great American companies.

    Think about this next time you vote for Democrats, you are voting for communists . Full stop

    stay out of our devices! 
    edited March 21 williamlondon9secondkox2libertymattersAllMwatto_cobra
  • Reply 44 of 92
    Madbum said:
    I never voted or been political in my life but I will for sure vote clueless Biden out this November 

    ‪monopoly? There are more non-Apple phones; out there Biden and most are Chinese androids


    Biden is doing the bidding for Chinese communist owned Epic games with this lawsuit


    Joe Biden knows how to do two things.

    Siphon endless American money to Corrupt Ukraine and trying to take down great American companies.

    Think about this next time you vote for Democrats, you are voting for communists . Full stop

    stay out of our devices! 
    What a bunch of nonsense.
    BiggieTall9secondkox2thtdave marshroundaboutnowbaconstangradarthekatwatto_cobra
  • Reply 45 of 92
    davgregdavgreg Posts: 1,039member
    This is Jonathan Kanter's work. Total Socialist.

    Guess Biden should hire Hunter to apply his law degree as a consultant on Government Relations. Or maybe buy a few pictures to hang up at Tim's house.

    Biden's mis-Administration is the most blatantly political since the Jackson administration. 

    The facts are quite simple- consumers are free to buy Windows, Android, Roku and whatever hardware they wish.
    Every significant cloud service is easily available to any consumer.
    Every significant productivity app is interoperable.
    Same for Maps, TV, Music, Books and all the rest.
    Madbum9secondkox2williamlondonAllMwatto_cobra
  • Reply 46 of 92
    Madbum said:
    I never voted or been political in my life but I will for sure vote clueless Biden out this November 

    ‪monopoly? There are more non-Apple phones; out there Biden and most are Chinese androids


    Biden is doing the bidding for Chinese communist owned Epic games with this lawsuit


    Joe Biden knows how to do two things.

    Siphon endless American money to Corrupt Ukraine and trying to take down great American companies.

    Think about this next time you vote for Democrats, you are voting for communists . Full stop

    stay out of our devices! 
    What a bunch of nonsense.
    Neither Trump nor Biden make sense!!  But Trump is much worse because of his legion of followers 
    9secondkox2thtradarthekatwatto_cobra
  • Reply 47 of 92
    davgregdavgreg Posts: 1,039member
    blastdoor said:
    https://legal.thomsonreuters.com/blog/antitrust-law-basics-section-2-of-the-sherman-act/#:~:text=Market%20share%20in%20the%20relevant,is%20likely%20considered%20a%20monopolist.

    "At least according to this link, market share above 70 percent is generally considered a monopoly. Below 50 percent, not. In between is a grey zone."

    There was a time when General Motors has a better than 70% market share of the US car market. Not the domestic market - all of it. 

    Microsoft famously had better than 90% of the PC market at one time.

    Frito-Lay currently controls better than 60% of the salty snack market in the US, but I do not see PepsiCo getting sued.

    edited March 21 williamlondonwatto_cobra
  • Reply 48 of 92
    AllMAllM Posts: 71member
    bulk001 said:
    Popcorn ready! It is about time the US stepped up and filed this case. Concerned about safety? Only download from the official Apple Store. Your iPhone should be like your Mac - download what you want from where you want and accept that there are risks to doing so if you go outside the Mac App Store. 
    And if they don’t publish on the AAS?
    radarthekat
  • Reply 49 of 92
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,354member
    davgreg said:
    This is Jonathan Kanter's work. Total Socialist.

    Guess Biden should hire Hunter to apply his law degree as a consultant on Government Relations. Or maybe buy a few pictures to hang up at Tim's house.

    Biden's mis-Administration is the most blatantly political since the Jackson administration. 

    The facts are quite simple- consumers are free to buy Windows, Android, Roku and whatever hardware they wish.
    Every significant cloud service is easily available to any consumer.
    Every significant productivity app is interoperable.
    Same for Maps, TV, Music, Books and all the rest.
    Consumers are free to use any search engine they want to: Bing, DDG, Brave, Ecosia.... Yet that didn't stop the Trump administration, with wide support from a Republican legislative branch, from filing antitrust charges against Google. But that's OK because it's some other big homegrown American company being attacked and not Apple?

    I don't think it matters what party holds office. They both have emboldened the FTC and DoJ. 
    edited March 21 9secondkox2muthuk_vanalingambaconstangradarthekat
  • Reply 50 of 92
    MadbumMadbum Posts: 536member
    Madbum said:
    I never voted or been political in my life but I will for sure vote clueless Biden out this November 

    ‪monopoly? There are more non-Apple phones; out there Biden and most are Chinese androids


    Biden is doing the bidding for Chinese communist owned Epic games with this lawsuit


    Joe Biden knows how to do two things.

    Siphon endless American money to Corrupt Ukraine and trying to take down great American companies.

    Think about this next time you vote for Democrats, you are voting for communists . Full stop

    stay out of our devices! 
    What a bunch of nonsense.
    Tell me what is more non sense than this lawsuit based on 3 year old arguments on behalf of a Chinese communist owned company?
    9secondkox2williamlondonradarthekatwatto_cobra
  • Reply 51 of 92
    mike1mike1 Posts: 3,314member
    pslice said:
    I realize the DOJ is an independent entity from the political parties, but there are two tech political parties, Apple and the “others”. I think the “others” are in charge of this legal action and it’s driven by their jealousy of Apple’s ecosystem. These “others” need to get over themselves. As a long time Apple consumer, I am really tired of these frivolous lawsuits. Don’t like Apple, don’t buy Apple.

    DOJ is not independent. It is a department within the Executive branch, run by an Attorney General that is appointed by the prsident.
    9secondkox2williamlondonwatto_cobra
  • Reply 52 of 92
    MadbumMadbum Posts: 536member
    gatorguy said:
    davgreg said:
    This is Jonathan Kanter's work. Total Socialist.

    Guess Biden should hire Hunter to apply his law degree as a consultant on Government Relations. Or maybe buy a few pictures to hang up at Tim's house.

    Biden's mis-Administration is the most blatantly political since the Jackson administration. 

    The facts are quite simple- consumers are free to buy Windows, Android, Roku and whatever hardware they wish.
    Every significant cloud service is easily available to any consumer.
    Every significant productivity app is interoperable.
    Same for Maps, TV, Music, Books and all the rest.
    Consumers are free to use any search engine they want to: Bing, DDG, Brave, Ecosia.... Yet that didn't stop the Trump administration, with wide support from a Republican legislative branch, from filing antitrust charges against Google. But that's OK because it's some other big homegrown American company being attacked and not Apple?

    I don't think it matters what party holds office. They both have emboldened the FTC and DoJ. 
    Google suit is different , that had to do with information censorship and Google was and is the dominant search engine.

    iphones are at best 50/50 in  USA market share and 4 to 1 world wide 
    9secondkox2williamlondontmayradarthekatwatto_cobra
  • Reply 53 of 92
    MadbumMadbum Posts: 536member
    Biden DOJ arguments are mostly copy and paste from Epic Games

    Epic games is a Chinese communist owned company

    just let that sink in 
    9secondkox2williamlondonwatto_cobra
  • Reply 54 of 92
    MadbumMadbum Posts: 536member
    mike1 said:
    pslice said:
    I realize the DOJ is an independent entity from the political parties, but there are two tech political parties, Apple and the “others”. I think the “others” are in charge of this legal action and it’s driven by their jealousy of Apple’s ecosystem. These “others” need to get over themselves. As a long time Apple consumer, I am really tired of these frivolous lawsuits. Don’t like Apple, don’t buy Apple.

    DOJ is not independent. It is a department within the Executive branch, run by an Attorney General that is appointed by the prsident.
    DOJ is not independent 
    9secondkox2williamlondon
  • Reply 55 of 92
    thrangthrang Posts: 1,014member
    https://chng.it/PPSJPgC94z

    Petition to demand DoJ withdraw the suit!


    9secondkox2williamlondonAllMwatto_cobra
  • Reply 56 of 92
    I’m not sure when Apple forced me to become part of their Ecosystem.  I do so of my free will.  I am also a developer with apps on both iOS and Android.  I’ve used Macs since the early days. But I’ve also used PCs and other non Apple products when that’s all that was offered to me.  Consumers have a clear choice between Android and iOS and a few other options.  Why isn’t Microsoft being sued?  If you don’t want to us Macs your only other realistic choice is Windows.  What about Google?  It’s the only real search engine in town worth using.  And as far as paying a commission to the “storefront” hosting your product, 30% is pretty standard.  I’ve sold books, art and photographs in art galleries. Guess what they take?  30%!  And I’ve done commission sales. Guess what I get paid?  Oh, right 25-30%. A world without Apple and their innovations would look vastly different.
    dewmewilliamlondonAllMbaconstangiOS_Guy80radarthekatwatto_cobra
  • Reply 57 of 92
    JinTechJinTech Posts: 1,039member
    Let's get a class action lawsuit going that my Playstation 5 won't play iOS games! /s
    9secondkox2williamlondonAllMbaconstangiOS_Guy80radarthekatwatto_cobra
  • Reply 58 of 92
    Fred257Fred257 Posts: 244member
    About time. Using the shortcuts app only works seamlessly with Apple Music.  I use it to open and automatically play my music app.  I used to jailbreak my iPhone and this worked seamlessly back to iPhone 3GS.  So, Apple has hampered consumers with their walled gardens long enough.
    9secondkox2williamlondon
  • Reply 59 of 92
    9secondkox29secondkox2 Posts: 2,851member
    Fred257 said:
    About time. Using the shortcuts app only works seamlessly with Apple Music.  I use it to open and automatically play my music app.  I used to jailbreak my iPhone and this worked seamlessly back to iPhone 3GS.  So, Apple has hampered consumers with their walled gardens long enough.
    Then go buy an android if you want the trampled garden instead.  

    It’s not like that option doesn’t exist. 

    Apple’s shortcuts app is an app. It’s not the platform. MS Word isn’t going to save your Pages docs in the cloud for you. 

    Does Spotify show your Apple purchases to prevent you from buying twice?  

    Your post literally makes no sense. 
    edited March 21 thtroundaboutnowbaconstangradarthekatwatto_cobra
  • Reply 60 of 92
    9secondkox29secondkox2 Posts: 2,851member
    jayweiss said:
    They want access to everyone’s phones. This is about the fact that this government is having such a difficult time controlling their narrative and they want more access to be able to control it. Yes, I’m talking about the genocide in Gaza. It’s making clear to everyone the myth that the US as global peacekeeper is just that when the reality is that we are still colonizing the world and we’re the global bullies.

    Yes, the government wants more access to our phones, messages, and information. 

    Apparently, you have no idea what genocide is. What is happening in Gaza is war. Hamas declared war on Israel and is bent on the genocide all Israelis and all jews. It is their stated goal. Israel is pursuing the destruction of Hamas not the Palestinian people. I feel sorry for the Palestinians in Gaza, but they let Hamas do this since Israel pulled out of Gaza in 2005. 

    BTW - Genocide is what the Nazi’s were doing in Europe to 6 million jews and 4 million others they didn’t like. Don’t forget the 25 million Russian who died at the hands of the Nazi’s. 

    Sorry about this little tirade…
    Great post. Strange how some try to reverse reality. 
    AllMnubusbaconstangwatto_cobra
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