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  • Reply 21 of 26

    The car still doesn’t understand hand signals yet. I just got back from a 3 ½ hour trip to Indianapolis today and there was a traffic cop waving cars through a red light. That is still one of the situations that the car can’t handle yet. 
    Traffic lights = not a highway. See above...
    Huh? You seem to be confusing FSD with Autopilot. FSD handles traffic lights and virtually all city driving situations. See above…
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  • Reply 22 of 26
    There is a massive night and day difference between FSD from 2018 and now. He is proving everyone wrong. All the experts and every major company said that it was impossible for his approach to work, and yet the cars drive by themselves with only minor mistakes here and there. The car still doesn’t understand hand signals yet. I just got back from a 3 ½ hour trip to Indianapolis today and there was a traffic cop waving cars through a red light. That is still one of the situations that the car can’t handle yet. But for the vast majority of situations, the car does fine. I still feel that this will be a finished product by the end of 2026 and most car manufacturers will get Tesla licenses for Honda to use FSD for example and Ford to license FSD, and so on. Tesla is just too far ahead for others to catch up. 
    Your handle explains your brain.
    What is that supposed to mean, exactly? Everything I said was accurate.
    MplsPwilliamlondon
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  • Reply 23 of 26
    gatorguy said:
    If anyone wants to see how the technology is going, just take a ride or watch a Waymo. I have ridden several times and have seen them on the road every day. They drive like an elderly person who can’t see very well and sometimes break for no reason. Deathly afraid of making left turns on busy streets with no left turn traffic light arrows. It will pick the “safest” (longest) route to get to your destination and is a little cheaper than rideshares and rarely almost half the price. 

    I have seen the cars stop traffic on busy streets for no apparent reason, and while it has a ton of sensors on the car, it still has difficulty judging where pedestrians are when driving parallel to a sidewalk that has people on it. Mine stopped because it was thinking those people who were walking would all of a sudden dart into the street when it was a couple and their baby stroller. Almost every ride, I have feedback, and a lot of times the cars are pretty dirty inside. They keep giving me vouchers but Google does not like talking about issues that could be construed as potential problems that could result in serious accidents. 

    I doubt Tesla will be able to make a safe automated driving system if it just relies on cameras. The only reason why Waymo is successful is the grea$ing of politicians who tout that their cities will be high tech and this will be our future. So far, all I see is weary, angry, and surprised people when taking Waymo or when driving next to one. 
    Where are you riding Waymo vehicles, and how long ago was it? I've seen others mention significant improvements, though I wouldn't expect them to ever take the same chances human drivers are prone to make, with resultant injuries and damage to fellow drivers due to human carelessness. 

    I've not yet taken one myself. 
    Phoenix area, from late last year to present. The media was all over Google for reports about a Waymo car striking another car, but they didn’t emphasize that the other car was being illegally towed by another car. 

    I was stating that I think everyone should take a ride in one if they get the chance. It’s no riskier than driving yourself or taking a ride share. In fact, the only “driverless car” fatality that happened here HAD a human driver as backup (Uber), and Uber was too cheap to add sensors to the car. This is the main risk that Tesla will have. The safety factor of having more sensors vs. cutting the price of the car since they removed those and disabled the existing ones. 
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  • Reply 24 of 26
    MplsPmplsp Posts: 4,107member
    gatorguy said:
    If anyone wants to see how the technology is going, just take a ride or watch a Waymo. I have ridden several times and have seen them on the road every day. They drive like an elderly person who can’t see very well and sometimes break for no reason. Deathly afraid of making left turns on busy streets with no left turn traffic light arrows. It will pick the “safest” (longest) route to get to your destination and is a little cheaper than rideshares and rarely almost half the price. 

    I have seen the cars stop traffic on busy streets for no apparent reason, and while it has a ton of sensors on the car, it still has difficulty judging where pedestrians are when driving parallel to a sidewalk that has people on it. Mine stopped because it was thinking those people who were walking would all of a sudden dart into the street when it was a couple and their baby stroller. Almost every ride, I have feedback, and a lot of times the cars are pretty dirty inside. They keep giving me vouchers but Google does not like talking about issues that could be construed as potential problems that could result in serious accidents. 

    I doubt Tesla will be able to make a safe automated driving system if it just relies on cameras. The only reason why Waymo is successful is the grea$ing of politicians who tout that their cities will be high tech and this will be our future. So far, all I see is weary, angry, and surprised people when taking Waymo or when driving next to one. 
    Where are you riding Waymo vehicles, and how long ago was it? I've seen others mention significant improvements, though I wouldn't expect them to ever take the same chances human drivers are prone to make, with resultant injuries and damage to fellow drivers due to human carelessness. 

    I've not yet taken one myself. 
    Phoenix area, from late last year to present. The media was all over Google for reports about a Waymo car striking another car, but they didn’t emphasize that the other car was being illegally towed by another car. 

    I was stating that I think everyone should take a ride in one if they get the chance. It’s no riskier than driving yourself or taking a ride share. In fact, the only “driverless car” fatality that happened here HAD a human driver as backup (Uber), and Uber was too cheap to add sensors to the car. This is the main risk that Tesla will have. The safety factor of having more sensors vs. cutting the price of the car since they removed those and disabled the existing ones. 
    I read somewhere that the Waymo cars are $300+ each - that's fine for proof of concept but not something you can expand to a large scale. 

    The whole area of autonomous driving is still very young and evolving. It will be interesting to see how it turns out.
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  • Reply 25 of 26
    MplsPmplsp Posts: 4,107member
    There is a massive night and day difference between FSD from 2018 and now. He is proving everyone wrong. All the experts and every major company said that it was impossible for his approach to work, and yet the cars drive by themselves with only minor mistakes here and there. The car still doesn’t understand hand signals yet. I just got back from a 3 ½ hour trip to Indianapolis today and there was a traffic cop waving cars through a red light. That is still one of the situations that the car can’t handle yet. But for the vast majority of situations, the car does fine. I still feel that this will be a finished product by the end of 2026 and most car manufacturers will get Tesla licenses for Honda to use FSD for example and Ford to license FSD, and so on. Tesla is just too far ahead for others to catch up. 
    Your handle explains your brain.
    What is that supposed to mean, exactly? Everything I said was accurate.
    It means he doesn’t like what you said but has no data or facts to refute it so in the absence of a valid argument he has to resort to name calling.
    gatorguyslow n easymuthuk_vanalingam
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