Elon Musk's latest anti-Apple tirade is about a ChatGPT feature that doesn't exist

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  • Reply 21 of 35

    Samchase said:
    Musk has the ability to predict the future. He is an excellent programmer. I trust him on this one and I can understand why he is worried.
    Tell us you don't understand anything that was presented by not actually saying it.

    And you 'trust Enron Musk' ouch!

    tmaywilliamlondonroundaboutnowradarthekatwatto_cobrajony0
  • Reply 22 of 35
    mattinozmattinoz Posts: 2,449member
    toyshoo said:
    Musk should stick to building cars that aren't constantly recalled and like the Cyber Truck not have faulty issues before they are released.  His ongoing "I'm smarter than the rest of you"  will eventually kill his Tesla success.  
    Getting basic material science correct would be start. Rusty Cyber Truck
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  • Reply 23 of 35
    I’m a massive Tesla / Musk fan, but as the article points out, he clearly and stupidly jumps to conclusions which he has to roll back on. Something he really should be smart enough to recognise and take a moment to properly digest. He does even admit he’s pretty dumb at times, so he should learn from it!
    williamlondonradarthekatwatto_cobrajony0
  • Reply 24 of 35
    The dude is nuts.
    radarthekats.metcalfwatto_cobra
  • Reply 25 of 35
    danoxdanox Posts: 3,290member
    Thankfully I drive a fast Beetle...... :wink: 
    edited June 11 watto_cobra
  • Reply 26 of 35
    Easy..then let’s “Grok”, better now?
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 27 of 35
    AfarstarAfarstar Posts: 71member
    Musk and Trump are both examples of men who buy businesses started by smart people, or buy smart people to run their businesses. Then promote the myth that they themselves are brilliant. Mediocre brains with a nose for business + affluent parents to prime the pump. 
    Musk and Trump are just separate cheeks of the same ass - Kardashian size. 
    Xedwilliamlondonradarthekatwatto_cobrajony0
  • Reply 28 of 35
    diman80diman80 Posts: 34member

    Musk should understand that LLMs (Large Language Models) do not require personal data for training. They are trained on gigabytes of curated data, guided by human engineers who establish acceptable and unacceptable outputs before release. Using personal data for training would actually harm LLM.

    LLMs process queries using tokens, vectors, and embeddings to generate responses without storing user data, which is a privacy-conscious approach. Apple's method does not raise privacy concerns.

    Regarding ChatGPT, no data is transmitted without explicit user consent, eliminating privacy issues.

    On-device processing, such as that used by "Siri" with basic LLM updates, is straightforward and secure. Since the data remains on the device, processing vectors, tokens, and embeddings should not be a concern. These computations are meaningless to other without the user data from which they were derived, even if they leave the device.

    radarthekatwatto_cobra
  • Reply 29 of 35
    tmaytmay Posts: 6,453member
    https://www.reuters.com/legal/elon-musk-withdraws-lawsuit-against-openai-2024-06-11/

    Elon Musk withdraws lawsuit against OpenAI

    ..."without prejudice", so he can reopen the lawsuit later, it he choose, though it never made any sense to begin with.
    radarthekatwatto_cobra
  • Reply 30 of 35
    radarthekatradarthekat Posts: 3,898moderator
    omasou said:
    He’s POed b/c Apple found a way to kneecap X.AI’s monetization model.

    Bet MS/OpenAI pay Apple like Google does for search b/c data sent to ChatGPT 4 will help train their models.
    Data from Apple devices will not be used to train OpenAI’s models.  If it did, then Musk would have a point.  You don’t want queries and supporting information that pertains to you’d business secrets being added to a 3rd-party commercial LLM model.  And so Apple’s deal with OpenAI explicitly excludes that capability. 
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  • Reply 31 of 35
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,604member
    omasou said:
    He’s POed b/c Apple found a way to kneecap X.AI’s monetization model.

    Bet MS/OpenAI pay Apple like Google does for search b/c data sent to ChatGPT 4 will help train their models.
    Data from Apple devices will not be used to train OpenAI’s models.  If it did, then Musk would have a point.  You don’t want queries and supporting information that pertains to you’d business secrets being added to a 3rd-party commercial LLM model.  And so Apple’s deal with OpenAI explicitly excludes that capability. 
    Does it include anonymized and aggregated user data collections, which Apple does not consider to be "user data" anymore and is not covered by Apple privacy policies, or just personally identifiable data? I don't remember that question being answered, but perhaps it has been. To be clear I would have no issue with the former being shared if it improves the overall results.
  • Reply 32 of 35
    XedXed Posts: 2,823member
    gatorguy said:
    omasou said:
    He’s POed b/c Apple found a way to kneecap X.AI’s monetization model.

    Bet MS/OpenAI pay Apple like Google does for search b/c data sent to ChatGPT 4 will help train their models.
    Data from Apple devices will not be used to train OpenAI’s models.  If it did, then Musk would have a point.  You don’t want queries and supporting information that pertains to you’d business secrets being added to a 3rd-party commercial LLM model.  And so Apple’s deal with OpenAI explicitly excludes that capability. 
    Does it include anonymized and aggregated user data collections, which Apple does not consider to be "user data" anymore and is not covered by Apple privacy policies, or just personally identifiable data? I don't remember that question being answered, but perhaps it has been. To be clear I would have no issue with the former being shared if it improves the overall results.
    I'm not sure radarthekat understands what omasou is saying. As soon as you say you want to use ChatGPT ten OpenAI will have access to those queries and requests to use to train their system, regardless of how well Apple anonymizes the originator. OpenAI could be paying Apple to be the default just as Alphabet pays Google for internet search. I think we're on the same page here.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 33 of 35
    Wesley HilliardWesley Hilliard Posts: 243member, administrator, moderator, editor
    Xed said:
    gatorguy said:
    omasou said:
    He’s POed b/c Apple found a way to kneecap X.AI’s monetization model.

    Bet MS/OpenAI pay Apple like Google does for search b/c data sent to ChatGPT 4 will help train their models.
    Data from Apple devices will not be used to train OpenAI’s models.  If it did, then Musk would have a point.  You don’t want queries and supporting information that pertains to you’d business secrets being added to a 3rd-party commercial LLM model.  And so Apple’s deal with OpenAI explicitly excludes that capability. 
    Does it include anonymized and aggregated user data collections, which Apple does not consider to be "user data" anymore and is not covered by Apple privacy policies, or just personally identifiable data? I don't remember that question being answered, but perhaps it has been. To be clear I would have no issue with the former being shared if it improves the overall results.
    I'm not sure radarthekat understands what omasou is saying. As soon as you say you want to use ChatGPT ten OpenAI will have access to those queries and requests to use to train their system, regardless of how well Apple anonymizes the originator. OpenAI could be paying Apple to be the default just as Alphabet pays Google for internet search. I think we're on the same page here.
    Actually no, Apple has locked OpenAI into this agreement from a legal standpoint. *By Law* OpenAI can't keep any data sent to it by Apple devices. No files, no queries, no IP. Nothing. It is all tossed.
    thtwatto_cobrajony0
  • Reply 34 of 35
    AppleZuluAppleZulu Posts: 2,141member
    Musk and Trump are both examples of men who buy businesses started by smart people, or buy smart people to run their businesses. Then promote the myth that they themselves are brilliant. Mediocre brains with a nose for business + affluent parents to prime the pump. 
    Except Trump’s “nose for business” is itself a myth. Trump is like a living Ponzi scheme, always needing cash flow from new scams to stay ahead of the crash-and-burn of the previous “businesses.” This is a man who bankrupted casinos, businesses where the odds are always in favor of the house, where the customers literally pay for the entertainment of giving the business money. It’s been calculated that Trump would be much wealthier now if he’d done nothing other than put the money his father gave him into an index fund. 

    Musk had a nose for business, but his ego has overtaken it. Musk never intended to buy Twitter, but his smack talk ran into finance law that wouldn’t let him back out of a threat, and Jack Dorsey called his bluff and took his money. 

    Rather than acknowledge the humiliation, he doubled down (now that is a Trump move) and insisted only he could fix twitter. In the process, he has totally destroyed Twitter while embracing the conspiratorial Trump fan base, which is an idiotic move for his other business, Tesla, as Trump & Co are committed to the destruction of the EV market. The two may be more alike now, but they weren’t always so. Musk’s brand of narcissism used to actually make money. 
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  • Reply 35 of 35
    sunman42sunman42 Posts: 290member
    Is Elon hitting meth now?
    watto_cobra
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