I agree with the UK group. Apple’s pricing versus its offer for storage is obscene and clearly a way to gouge customers month after month.
To say you don’t *have* to use iCloud is disingenuous. The truth is that you have to work to avoid using iCloud. And even when you set it up to avoid it, OSes revert to the default saving to iCloud after each major upgrade.
It’s one of the reasons why I dislike the current Apple.
100% BS. Dropbox, MS OneDrive, Google Drive, etc. still exist. Learn how to use them or as the other poster said, switch platforms if iOS is too onerous and costly for you.
The iPhone worked before iCloud and it still works w/o iCloud.
You didn’t read his comment.
They complained Apple charges too much for iCloud. Well then use a free tier on another platform or compare prices.
EOD, Apple provide 5GB free and for a nominal fee 50GB. 5GB is more than enough to save preferences. 50GB more than enough to save important documents, etc.
But if you want to save all of your high resolution photos and back up stupid iMessages loaded with mimes, twitch videos, etc. then learn to take lower resolution photos and clean up iMessage or shut up and pay up.
It's not up to Apple to provide endless free storage to back up all the useless cr*p people refuse to curate.
The person literally wrote "To say you don’t *have* to use iCloud is disingenuous. The truth is that you have to work to avoid using iCloud. And even when you set it up to avoid it, OSes revert to the default saving to iCloud after each major upgrade."
Which part of that is BS?
You responded to their post with a point you wanted to make, but you completely ignored what they actually wrote. You weren't responding to what they wrote.
They weren't bitching about free tiers or anything — they did complain about the pricing (which is pretty high, no BS), but the main point was that it is NOT easy to avoid using iCloud, because it keeps defaulting back and requires more work to NOT use it.
Which, incidentally, is what this lawsuit is actually about. On point, as it were.
I agree with the UK group. Apple’s pricing versus its offer for storage is obscene and clearly a way to gouge customers month after month.
To say you don’t *have* to use iCloud is disingenuous. The truth is that you have to work to avoid using iCloud. And even when you set it up to avoid it, OSes revert to the default saving to iCloud after each major upgrade.
It’s one of the reasons why I dislike the current Apple.
100% BS. Dropbox, MS OneDrive, Google Drive, etc. still exist. Learn how to use them or as the other poster said, switch platforms if iOS is too onerous and costly for you.
The iPhone worked before iCloud and it still works w/o iCloud.
You didn’t read his comment.
Apparently you didn’t either. The OP claimed it’s disingenuous to claim you don’t have to use iCloud. That’s laughably absurd, and the reply stated so. Others commented the same, that they aren’t using iCloud. Not disingenuous.
*staring at EU* “They smell some p****y, they want a piece of the action” (Snatch)
What's the EU got to do with this?
Are you in the wrong thread, or are you just stuck in an outrage loop from ten years ago?
Ok. I’ll try to make this easy: 1. EU is currently on a roll fining huge fines, ok? 2. Uk is not in the EU anymore, don’t doesn’t profit from that, right? 3. I leave 3 up to you.
It’s ok that a platform has other services that are super easy to get into. It’s ridiculous thst an OS maker should be punished for building other services that can be easily turned on. They aren’t a third party. Shouldn’t be forced to act like it. Others should be allowed to compete of course. But it’s not like they are the core software developer to begin with.
Nothing anticompetitive about it. It’s just doing the best they can do.
I agree with the UK group. Apple’s pricing versus its offer for storage is obscene and clearly a way to gouge customers month after month.
To say you don’t *have* to use iCloud is disingenuous. The truth is that you have to work to avoid using iCloud. And even when you set it up to avoid it, OSes revert to the default saving to iCloud after each major upgrade.
It’s one of the reasons why I dislike the current Apple.
100% BS. Dropbox, MS OneDrive, Google Drive, etc. still exist. Learn how to use them or as the other poster said, switch platforms if iOS is too onerous and costly for you.
The iPhone worked before iCloud and it still works w/o iCloud.
You didn’t read his comment.
They complained Apple charges too much for iCloud. Well then use a free tier on another platform or compare prices.
EOD, Apple provide 5GB free and for a nominal fee 50GB. 5GB is more than enough to save preferences. 50GB more than enough to save important documents, etc.
But if you want to save all of your high resolution photos and back up stupid iMessages loaded with mimes, twitch videos, etc. then learn to take lower resolution photos and clean up iMessage or shut up and pay up.
It's not up to Apple to provide endless free storage to back up all the useless cr*p people refuse to curate.
The person literally wrote "To say you don’t *have* to use iCloud is disingenuous. The truth is that you have to work to avoid using iCloud. And even when you set it up to avoid it, OSes revert to the default saving to iCloud after each major upgrade."
Which part of that is BS?
You responded to their post with a point you wanted to make, but you completely ignored what they actually wrote. You weren't responding to what they wrote.
They weren't bitching about free tiers or anything — they did complain about the pricing (which is pretty high, no BS), but the main point was that it is NOT easy to avoid using iCloud, because it keeps defaulting back and requires more work to NOT use it.
Which, incidentally, is what this lawsuit is actually about. On point, as it were.
YOU are focusing on the "disingenuous" statement.
All anyone has to do is NOT sign into iCloud. The iPhone will continue to work the same as it did before iCloud. Oh, but if you want to sync your devices, b/c you own more than one Apple device, then iCloud is the best solution and well worth the price. That said the free 5GB plan works fine and no one is forcing anyone to purchase additional iCloud storage.
"I" was focusing on the Apple’s pricing versus its offer for storage is obscene and clearly a way to gouge customers month after month. statement, which is complete BS. This person seems to never have purchased (cost) and managed (time = cost) a NAS or had to manually backup (time = cost) a device let alone multiple devices or they would very quickly learn the value of iCloud and the bargain it is.
Now if you want to fight against how Apple designed their ecosystem, then you deserver the difficulties you inherit and perhaps should consider an alternative platforms..
Does this lawsuit specify any (not to mention a sensible) dividing line between what features a company is allowed to reserve for itself, and what features must be turned into third-party flea markets or else be hit with multi-billion-dollar judgments? I seriously doubt it. The lawyers simply want a fat payday, and hope that a judge will allow it to proceed, and a jury will say, "duh, sounds good to me". They couldn't care less whether this will actually benefit — or harm — Apple's typical users.
While I use iCloud quite happily at the 50GB tier, I have numerous clients who have iPhones, iPads, and/or Macs and don’t use iCloud at all. So clearly it’s not impossible to use Apple devices without it, or to sync devices’ content without it.
That said, iCloud makes it pretty effortless, which people like. Shame on Apple for making things effortless!
While I use iCloud quite happily at the 50GB tier, I have numerous clients who have iPhones, iPads, and/or Macs and don’t use iCloud at all. So clearly it’s not impossible to use Apple devices without it, or to sync devices’ content without it.
That said, iCloud makes it pretty effortless, which people like. Shame on Apple for making things effortless!
Kudos to Apple for keeping the free storage capped at 5GB for 13 years. They should certainly maintain it at the same level for another 130 years effortlessly.
I agree with the UK group. Apple’s pricing versus its offer for storage is obscene and clearly a way to gouge customers month after month.
To say you don’t *have* to use iCloud is disingenuous. The truth is that you have to work to avoid using iCloud. And even when you set it up to avoid it, OSes revert to the default saving to iCloud after each major upgrade.
It’s one of the reasons why I dislike the current Apple.
100% BS. Dropbox, MS OneDrive, Google Drive, etc. still exist. Learn how to use them or as the other poster said, switch platforms if iOS is too onerous and costly for you.
The iPhone worked before iCloud and it still works w/o iCloud.
You didn’t read his comment.
They complained Apple charges too much for iCloud. Well then use a free tier on another platform or compare prices.
EOD, Apple provide 5GB free and for a nominal fee 50GB. 5GB is more than enough to save preferences. 50GB more than enough to save important documents, etc.
But if you want to save all of your high resolution photos and back up stupid iMessages loaded with mimes, twitch videos, etc. then learn to take lower resolution photos and clean up iMessage or shut up and pay up.
It's not up to Apple to provide endless free storage to back up all the useless cr*p people refuse to curate.
The person literally wrote "To say you don’t *have* to use iCloud is disingenuous. The truth is that you have to work to avoid using iCloud. And even when you set it up to avoid it, OSes revert to the default saving to iCloud after each major upgrade."
Which part of that is BS?
You responded to their post with a point you wanted to make, but you completely ignored what they actually wrote. You weren't responding to what they wrote.
They weren't bitching about free tiers or anything — they did complain about the pricing (which is pretty high, no BS), but the main point was that it is NOT easy to avoid using iCloud, because it keeps defaulting back and requires more work to NOT use it.
Which, incidentally, is what this lawsuit is actually about. On point, as it were.
YOU are focusing on the "disingenuous" statement.
All anyone has to do is NOT sign into iCloud. The iPhone will continue to work the same as it did before iCloud. Oh, but if you want to sync your devices, b/c you own more than one Apple device, then iCloud is the best solution and well worth the price. That said the free 5GB plan works fine and no one is forcing anyone to purchase additional iCloud storage.
"I" was focusing on the Apple’s pricing versus its offer for storage is obscene and clearly a way to gouge customers month after month. statement, which is complete BS. This person seems to never have purchased (cost) and managed (time = cost) a NAS or had to manually backup (time = cost) a device let alone multiple devices or they would very quickly learn the value of iCloud and the bargain it is.
Now if you want to fight against how Apple designed their ecosystem, then you deserver the difficulties you inherit and perhaps should consider an alternative platforms..
The point that keeps getting missed in discussions like these is that it's not about "what if I don't want to use these features?" — it's "what if I want to use an alternative service?"
Sure I can turn off iCloud. But if I want to use any alternative service that offers similar functionality, that's not just an initial set-up and configuration (which is to be expected), but rather, a constant fight, because Apple keeps railroading you into their own service.
Why would I want to do that? Maybe there are family licenses for services, maybe it's a better deal (see above regarding "cost of storage"), maybe it's a corporate contract, maybe I'm REQUIRED BY LAW to use authorised storage solutions and still want/need device sync — it doesn't matter WHY.
"Move to Android" is, of course, a solution, but again: that's not what antitrust is about.
*staring at EU* “They smell some p****y, they want a piece of the action” (Snatch)
What's the EU got to do with this?
Are you in the wrong thread, or are you just stuck in an outrage loop from ten years ago?
Ok. I’ll try to make this easy: 1. EU is currently on a roll fining huge fines, ok? 2. Uk is not in the EU anymore, don’t doesn’t profit from that, right? 3. I leave 3 up to you.
Here’s some /s for you as well.
Have a good one.
Is this why this is happening in the United States?
The person literally wrote "To say you don’t *have* to use iCloud is disingenuous. The truth is that you have to work to avoid using iCloud. And even when you set it up to avoid it, OSes revert to the default saving to iCloud after each major upgrade."
Which part of that is BS?
Is the UK different in this regard? I have never had to reset my "don't use iCloud" preference after any update in recent memory. I've updated my iPhone 11 with every update since I've owned it, both minor and major, and the only time I've ever had to turn iCloud off was the one time I wiped the entire phone and started over. Never had to do it any other time.
Sure I can turn off iCloud. But if I want to use any alternative service that offers similar functionality, that's not just an initial set-up and configuration (which is to be expected), but rather, a constant fight, because Apple keeps railroading you into their own service.
As above, I have not experienced this particular instance of "railroading" (not that there aren't plenty of other examples), nor have I ever had my other family members, for whom I am tech support, ever complain of it.
I agree with the UK group. Apple’s pricing versus its offer for storage is obscene and clearly a way to gouge customers month after month.
To say you don’t *have* to use iCloud is disingenuous. The truth is that you have to work to avoid using iCloud. And even when you set it up to avoid it, OSes revert to the default saving to iCloud after each major upgrade.
It’s one of the reasons why I dislike the current Apple.
100% BS. Dropbox, MS OneDrive, Google Drive, etc. still exist. Learn how to use them or as the other poster said, switch platforms if iOS is too onerous and costly for you.
The iPhone worked before iCloud and it still works w/o iCloud.
You didn’t read his comment.
They complained Apple charges too much for iCloud. Well then use a free tier on another platform or compare prices.
EOD, Apple provide 5GB free and for a nominal fee 50GB. 5GB is more than enough to save preferences. 50GB more than enough to save important documents, etc.
But if you want to save all of your high resolution photos and back up stupid iMessages loaded with mimes, twitch videos, etc. then learn to take lower resolution photos and clean up iMessage or shut up and pay up.
It's not up to Apple to provide endless free storage to back up all the useless cr*p people refuse to curate.
The person literally wrote "To say you don’t *have* to use iCloud is disingenuous. The truth is that you have to work to avoid using iCloud. And even when you set it up to avoid it, OSes revert to the default saving to iCloud after each major upgrade."
Which part of that is BS?
You responded to their post with a point you wanted to make, but you completely ignored what they actually wrote. You weren't responding to what they wrote.
They weren't bitching about free tiers or anything — they did complain about the pricing (which is pretty high, no BS), but the main point was that it is NOT easy to avoid using iCloud, because it keeps defaulting back and requires more work to NOT use it.
Which, incidentally, is what this lawsuit is actually about. On point, as it were.
YOU are focusing on the "disingenuous" statement.
All anyone has to do is NOT sign into iCloud. The iPhone will continue to work the same as it did before iCloud. Oh, but if you want to sync your devices, b/c you own more than one Apple device, then iCloud is the best solution and well worth the price. That said the free 5GB plan works fine and no one is forcing anyone to purchase additional iCloud storage.
"I" was focusing on the Apple’s pricing versus its offer for storage is obscene and clearly a way to gouge customers month after month. statement, which is complete BS. This person seems to never have purchased (cost) and managed (time = cost) a NAS or had to manually backup (time = cost) a device let alone multiple devices or they would very quickly learn the value of iCloud and the bargain it is.
Now if you want to fight against how Apple designed their ecosystem, then you deserver the difficulties you inherit and perhaps should consider an alternative platforms..
The point that keeps getting missed in discussions like these is that it's not about "what if I don't want to use these features?" — it's "what if I want to use an alternative service?"
Sure I can turn off iCloud. But if I want to use any alternative service that offers similar functionality, that's not just an initial set-up and configuration (which is to be expected), but rather, a constant fight, because Apple keeps railroading you into their own service.
Why would I want to do that? Maybe there are family licenses for services, maybe it's a better deal (see above regarding "cost of storage"), maybe it's a corporate contract, maybe I'm REQUIRED BY LAW to use authorised storage solutions and still want/need device sync — it doesn't matter WHY.
"Move to Android" is, of course, a solution, but again: that's not what antitrust is about.
Apple isn't "railroading anyone into a feature" other companies are like Intel chips they are trying to be everything to everyone and don't want to offer fully integrated solutions for Apple only customers. They throw stuff against the wall to see what sticks and when it doesn't kill the product people purchased, I'm talking to you Google.
You need to give concrete examples instead of generic "what if, I want to do", otherwise you are just whining.
If you think another company has a feature that can be improved then TELL them.
Sure I can turn off iCloud. But if I want to use any alternative service that offers similar functionality, that's not just an initial set-up and configuration (which is to be expected), but rather, a constant fight, because Apple keeps railroading you into their own service.
As above, I have not experienced this particular instance of "railroading" (not that there aren't plenty of other examples), nor have I ever had my other family members, for whom I am tech support, ever complain of it.
Which alternative services are they using that replace basic iCloud functionality?
If this won, users would get a measly £70 if they are lucky, but the lawyers millions. This is not about consumers this is all about lawyers benefits. No other reason.
I don't know. I would think when you build your antitrust lawsuit on the assertion that "iOS is a monopoly", you deserve to be laughed out of court.
Antitrust violations do not require, and have never required, the offending corporation(s) to be monopolies. They merely need to be large enough to unfairly disadvantage competitors.
So… apple provides a service for free, albeit with some limitations on storage, but charges to get more storage, this is somehow ripping off UK customers? The argument boils down to 5GB is not enough?
So… apple provides a service for free, albeit with some limitations on storage, but charges to get more storage, this is somehow ripping off UK customers? The argument boils down to 5GB is not enough?
No, as per the fucking article, the argument boils down to that, and I quote, "specifically, Apple is accused of making it difficult to use alternative suppliers."
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Which part of that is BS?
You responded to their post with a point you wanted to make, but you completely ignored what they actually wrote. You weren't responding to what they wrote.
They weren't bitching about free tiers or anything — they did complain about the pricing (which is pretty high, no BS), but the main point was that it is NOT easy to avoid using iCloud, because it keeps defaulting back and requires more work to NOT use it.
Which, incidentally, is what this lawsuit is actually about. On point, as it were.
Apparently you didn’t either. The OP claimed it’s disingenuous to claim you don’t have to use iCloud. That’s laughably absurd, and the reply stated so. Others commented the same, that they aren’t using iCloud. Not disingenuous.
1. EU is currently on a roll fining huge fines, ok?
2. Uk is not in the EU anymore, don’t doesn’t profit from that, right?
3. I leave 3 up to you.
All anyone has to do is NOT sign into iCloud. The iPhone will continue to work the same as it did before iCloud. Oh, but if you want to sync your devices, b/c you own more than one Apple device, then iCloud is the best solution and well worth the price. That said the free 5GB plan works fine and no one is forcing anyone to purchase additional iCloud storage.
"I" was focusing on the Apple’s pricing versus its offer for storage is obscene and clearly a way to gouge customers month after month. statement, which is complete BS. This person seems to never have purchased (cost) and managed (time = cost) a NAS or had to manually backup (time = cost) a device let alone multiple devices or they would very quickly learn the value of iCloud and the bargain it is.
Now if you want to fight against how Apple designed their ecosystem, then you deserver the difficulties you inherit and perhaps should consider an alternative platforms..
Sure I can turn off iCloud. But if I want to use any alternative service that offers similar functionality, that's not just an initial set-up and configuration (which is to be expected), but rather, a constant fight, because Apple keeps railroading you into their own service.
Why would I want to do that? Maybe there are family licenses for services, maybe it's a better deal (see above regarding "cost of storage"), maybe it's a corporate contract, maybe I'm REQUIRED BY LAW to use authorised storage solutions and still want/need device sync — it doesn't matter WHY.
Is this why this is happening in the United States?
You need to give concrete examples instead of generic "what if, I want to do", otherwise you are just whining.
If you think another company has a feature that can be improved then TELL them.
If you think that Apple can make a feature work better then tell them, https://www.apple.com/feedback/