Tim Cook rumored to be meeting with Donald Trump for dinner on Friday

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  • Reply 21 of 39
    If Apple sidles up to the facist Trump then goodbye Apple
    9secondkox2
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  • Reply 22 of 39
    darbus69 said:
    anyone who kisses the orange monsters ring is not doing the world any good, no matter what, period.

    I would rather pay more for my all my creepy capitalistic goods than bow down to him.

    “Keep your friends close, keep your enemies closer”. 
    And this is a complex one, because it has limits. If you don’t publicly criticize the very people who act and promote values that you loath, especially as a CEO, you essentially side with them. 
    If you criticize the Orange Baboon, he will block you like a dictator. That’s a shitty situation. 

    In the end this is all about capitalism. Apple has values as long as they don’t hurt their shareholders, from data privacy to equal rights. See how their secure iCloud is in China or Russia… not so much. 

    Americans are remarkably naive when it comes to fascism. They’ve never seen another country barge in their own country, deport and kill millions and run the place (but thankfully they have helped pushing them out!). 
    Their democracy is corrupted to the core by corporations and billionaires, who don’t even try to bother hiding it anymore. 
    But they are also masters of tech, software and hardware, where the EU has been sleeping, focused on regulating rather than creating a culture of innovation and entrepreneurship. 

    Now more than ever it’s up to the tech leaders to speak up against Trump, but I fear short term growth will win. Trump will have many dinners and the circle-jerking perpetuates.
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  • Reply 23 of 39
    Rather him than me.  Enjoy the hamberders.
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  • Reply 24 of 39
    Xedxed Posts: 3,259member
    If Apple sidles up to the facist Trump then goodbye Apple
    Apple can survive another Trump presidency... providing it's only 4 years and not the end of free and fair elections. Let's remember that Trump promised the far right that they'll never have to vote again if he wins.

    What is a lot more likely to happen is a drop in stock valuation, but this will be across the board, not just Apple.
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  • Reply 25 of 39
    jimh2jimh2 Posts: 685member
    Why does the editor not shut this thread down and clear out the posts. Nobody cares what anyones political party or beliefs are. You are just talking to yourself when you post. The attacks are beyond petty. 
    watto_cobra
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  • Reply 26 of 39
    jimh2jimh2 Posts: 685member
    Marvin said:
    hexclock said:
    hexclock said:
    darbus69 said:
    anyone who kisses the orange monsters ring is not doing the world any good, no matter what, period.

    I would rather pay more for my all my creepy capitalistic goods than bow down to him.

    I agree but the industrial entities always cave to fascists first. Germany, Italy, they fall in line.
    What hyperbolic nonsense. Get over it, you lost. Try again in 4 years. 
    FYI...Trump still doesn't believe he lost the 2020 election.

    https://www.nj.com/politics/2024/12/to-work-in-the-trump-administration-you-must-correctly-answer-these-3-questions.html
    So Biden got more votes than Obama, yet all those extra voters just stayed home this time? Something doesn’t add up. 
    The total numbers after the counting was done are close between 2020 and 2024.

    2020 was 81.2m (blue) vs 74.2m, (red) = 155m
    https://edition.cnn.com/election/2020/results/president

    2024 was 74.8m (blue) vs 77.1m (red) = 152m
    https://eu.usatoday.com/elections/results/2024-11-05/

    Some of the difference is due to other candidates than the main two:
    https://ballotpedia.org/Presidential_candidates,_2024
    https://ballotpedia.org/Presidential_candidates,_2020

    Total turnout was noted as 158m in 2020 vs 154m in 2024, very small difference.

    But both significantly higher than 2016 at 136m (explained below):
    https://ballotpedia.org/Presidential_candidates,_2016
    hexclock said:
    darbus69 said:
    anyone who kisses the orange monsters ring is not doing the world any good, no matter what, period.

    I would rather pay more for my all my creepy capitalistic goods than bow down to him.

    I agree but the industrial entities always cave to fascists first. Germany, Italy, they fall in line.
    What hyperbolic nonsense. Get over it, you lost. Try again in 4 years. 
    FYI...Trump still doesn't believe he lost the 2020 election.

    https://www.nj.com/politics/2024/12/to-work-in-the-trump-administration-you-must-correctly-answer-these-3-questions.html
    There's something psychological that stops narcissists associating anything negative with themselves like losing. These types commonly refer to other people as losers. You can see his uncomfortable reaction when saying the words that he lost:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Beg9NUOhZTE
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCbfTN-caFI&t=947s
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJvQHVlkpPI

    Someone said he was muttering "I won, I won" after losing because he couldn't handle it:

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election-2020/election-results-trump-king-george-b1763487.html

    There's another part to this, which is covered in the second video above, which is the excuse used and it comes back to immigration. Millions of people (>20m) migrated to the US between 1990-2015:

    https://www.migrationpolicy.org/programs/data-hub/charts/immigrant-population-over-time
    https://www.facingsouth.org/2020/12/first-time-voters-played-decisive-role-2020-elections

    Many of them only become eligible to vote years later and it changes the voting demographics that some people view as not legitimate as they aren't born citizens, hence their desire for a purge, a wall and changes to voter eligibility to prevent it happening again.
    badmonk said:
    So the UK isn't in Europe any more? News to me!
    Not since Brexit.
    Europe is a continent, the UK left the EU, not Europe, same situation as Norway, Switzerland, Iceland, Monaco, Montenegro etc.

    https://www.tutor2u.net/economics/reference/european-countries-that-are-outside-the-european-union
    Cook gets it. Recognize a competent leader and team up. 

    It’s great to see Apple have friends in high places again. 
    Cook is one of the best business leaders today and it shows with his willingness for diplomacy.

    When it comes to competency, I find it strange that almost every job below the highest job in democratic countries is decided by competency and review but the highest job is decided by a popularity contest, which is clearly no protection against corruption. It's also the same structure regardless of scale.

    Tim Cook might not win a popularity contest but he's one of the most competent leaders, people like him should be running countries. At least by being close to the elected leadership, he can have a part in how it's run.
    Everyone has a different idea of competency.
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  • Reply 27 of 39
    If Apple sidles up to the facist Trump then goodbye Apple
    people who say that don't know what the word even means.
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  • Reply 28 of 39
    Xedxed Posts: 3,259member
    alandail said:
    If Apple sidles up to the facist Trump then goodbye Apple
    people who say that don't know what the word even means.
    Is Trump vying to be an authoritarian? Is MAGA a nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization? Check and check. Sounds like you know what fascism is.
    gatorguynubusdavwatto_cobra
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  • Reply 29 of 39
    Xed said:
    alandail said:
    If Apple sidles up to the facist Trump then goodbye Apple
    people who say that don't know what the word even means.
    Is Trump vying to be an authoritarian? Is MAGA a nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization? Check and check. Sounds like you know what fascism is.
    No, and no. And some of the things you're calling "nationalistic right-wing" were policies of teh Democratic Party as recently as Obama and Hillary.

    https://x.com/mazemoore/status/1845191160744247726

    https://x.com/seanhannity/status/1862853808944042422


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  • Reply 30 of 39
    mattinozmattinoz Posts: 2,680member
    Xed said:
    alandail said:
    If Apple sidles up to the facist Trump then goodbye Apple
    people who say that don't know what the word even means.
    Is Trump vying to be an authoritarian? Is MAGA a nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization? Check and check. Sounds like you know what fascism is.
    You left out the bit where they want to harshly impose religious beliefs on everyone except themselves as they have zero interest in following them. Also a hallmark of fascism. 
    davwatto_cobra
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  • Reply 31 of 39
    alandail said:
    Xed said:
    alandail said:
    If Apple sidles up to the facist Trump then goodbye Apple
    people who say that don't know what the word even means.
    Is Trump vying to be an authoritarian? Is MAGA a nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization? Check and check. Sounds like you know what fascism is.
    No, and no. 
    You mad bro.  Neither Trump nor MAGA put a jot of effort into denying these things.

    Reading down the ur-fascism characteristics is like reading a literal description of Trumpian politics. 
    davwatto_cobra
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  • Reply 32 of 39
    Pemapema Posts: 249member
    Great. Knowing Trump he will say what a great guy Cook is and that he will make a wonderful addition to his cabinet and appoint him as the plenipotentiary to China. For thee less erudite, he will be appointed as the US Ambassador to China. 


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  • Reply 33 of 39
    I just love that Tim Cook and Donald Trump are clearly friends, and that it makes tiny minds here explode.  Four years of watching the narrow minds here try to cope with this disparity is going to be wonderful!
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  • Reply 34 of 39
    davdav Posts: 124member
    I think Steve Jobs could have completely manipulated Trump, would have been fun to watch.
    watto_cobra
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  • Reply 35 of 39
    MacPromacpro Posts: 19,873member
    Tim has to be pragmatic, IMHO.
    watto_cobra
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  • Reply 36 of 39
    hexclock said:
    darbus69 said:
    anyone who kisses the orange monsters ring is not doing the world any good, no matter what, period.

    I would rather pay more for my all my creepy capitalistic goods than bow down to him.

    I agree but the industrial entities always cave to fascists first. Germany, Italy, they fall in line.
    What hyperbolic nonsense. Get over it, you lost. Try again in 4 years. 
    Yeah, don’t be like those people who reacted to losing Election 2020 by peddling nonsense about election fraud and attempting to lynch the vice president for not going along with Trump’s coup on 1/6/21.

    Hey, who did those traitors support in that election anyway? Those people should probably refrain from lecturing others about taking electoral losses gracefully, sounds kinda clueless.
    edited December 2024
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  • Reply 37 of 39
    alandail said:
    If Apple sidles up to the facist Trump then goodbye Apple
    people who say that don't know what the word even means.
    I do, come at me bro. I’m willing to bet any amount of  money that you’ve never heard of Predappio until right now.
    watto_cobra
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  • Reply 38 of 39
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 8,327member
    MacPro said:
    Tim has to be pragmatic, IMHO.
    Absolutely, and in that particular sense I think he does a fair job navigating through geopolitics to get the best outcome for the company. 

    I'm sure he and Trump would never be best buddies under any circumstances but for business he has to go through the pleasantries and try to put forward the best case for Apple. 

    After all, it's one more term and time flies. 

    On that note I do think Cook will be 'out of office' before Trump, though. 


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