I know it’s been said that Apple stopped the Mini versions because of not enough being sold, but is that the whole truth and if, maybe things have changed since then.
No need to go down the conspiracy rabbit hole. It's really pretty simple: Apple is a for-profit company that is in the business of selling what sells well. Mass market buyers like yourself dictate what those products are. AND: the reason Wall Street gives Apple the highest valuation of any company in the world is because it sees Apple as a growth business, which Apple has to prove again and again, every quarter, if it wants to keep that high valuation. So every new product or new model has to prove that it can contribute to growth. "Okay" sales are not okay. It is very rare (might even be "never") for Apple to kill a new model of anything after just two cycles. I suspect the decision to kill the Mini was made even before the 13 was released because the rumors started very early that the 13 Mini would be the last. Sales had to miss expectations very significantly for that to happen because I doubt Apple even made back its investment costs in the Mini after just two cycles. BUT: this isn't to say that Mini sales weren't "decent." It's just that decent sales aren't good enough to keep a spot in the product lineup of a company that MUST keep growing revenues and profits.
Meanwhile... the new Xiaomi 15 Ultra, pictured in black and silver below, is the first phone I've seen that has me wishing I wasn't stuck in the Apple ecosystem. What a GORGEOUS piece of design work.
Is Apple loosing touch with it’s customers? Because what I see is increasingly bigger iPhones when there’s so many wanting a small iPhone. I know it’s been said that Apple stopped the Mini versions because of not enough being sold, but is that the whole truth and if, maybe things have changed since then. I don’t see so many expressing that they want a foldable iPhone or what the 16e became. By the way, I kind of like the 16e except that it is too big.
How can you say that?
I am sitting in my Apple Car, wearing my Vision Pro and looking forward to my iPhone Fold.
avon b7 said: From there on, aspect ratio is irrelevant as you are always doubling your screen size for more comfortable use for all the other tasks. Literally everything. And that is the appeal of folding phones.
Caveat: you're doubling your screen size from an aspect ratio that is typically skinnier than non-folding phones. So the folded version is less productive than a non-folding phone and the unfolded version advantage for widescreen content is marginal versus a non-folding phone.
Beating a dead donkey this is what this is. Another iPhone (yawn): iPhone 16e (aka the Dud) and now the iPhone Fold (another dud). And in another four years: the iPhone Anniversary Edition - 20th Phone. What does it do? Makes phone call, text messages and oh yes the entire back is covered with cameras. Other than that, nada. Other than over-complicating an iOS with myriad functionality that everyone keeps turning off because it is getting in the way of working and eats up gobs of memory.
And, oh yes, let's not forget Apple Intelligence. Which Microsoft shuttered last week is starting to look a lot like the dot.com boom of the Y2K.
Talk about eating the same meal that Steve Jobs cooked all those years ago. Must be surely getting stale by now.
And the new vision: the Vision Pro aka the dead horse.
Apple needs new blood rather than stirring the same pot ad infinitum.
And meanwhile, in the real world: Apple's booming sales keep fueling record-setting revenues and profits, it's the world's most valuable company, its stock price sits near its all-time highs and it just won its 18th straight World's Most Admired Company award. But The Cult of Dead Steve just can't abide a level of consistent, record-setting success that exceeds what Apple achieved under Jobs.
World’s Most Admired Company Awards is… kind of a misnomer.
But yes, Apple has won that award 18 times in a row.
Does that make Apple the Beyoncé of the Most Admired Company Awards?
I don’t understand the reference (joke?). Beyoncé famously only just now won the Grammy for “Album of the Year” for the first time ever in her career (despite having been making amazing music for 25+ years). If anything, Beyoncé the exact opposite of Apple winning the Most Admired Company award for 18 years in a row.
Does most admired equate to album of the year? You can pick multiple artists to make an apt comparison since this isn't ever going to be apples-to-apples.
Beyoncé is one of the best-selling music artists of all time, with estimated sales of over 200 million records. She is the only female artist to debut all of their eight studio albums at number one on the Billboard 200.
avon b7 said: From there on, aspect ratio is irrelevant as you are always doubling your screen size for more comfortable use for all the other tasks. Literally everything. And that is the appeal of folding phones.
Caveat: you're doubling your screen size from an aspect ratio that is typically skinnier than non-folding phones. So the folded version is less productive than a non-folding phone and the unfolded version advantage for widescreen content is marginal versus a non-folding phone.
Again. If that were an issue, people wouldn't opt for them.
Apart from some models (noticeably older Samsung efforts) most people wouldn't notice a difference at first glance. That's because they look and feel just fine in the hand.
avon b7 said: Again. If that were an issue, people wouldn't opt for them.
Then that must mean Siri and AI are a non-issue for Apple. People buy iPhones. Non-issue.
Not sure if Siri or AI (at least Apple Intelligence) actually sell phones. My wife hasn't used Siri in years.
We have unlimited access to Perplexity Pro and she doesn't use that either.
Folding phones have a huge selling point: the folding part. It's safe to say 100% of folding phones are sold on that feature.
Never sets a timer? Never sets an alarm? Never dictates a text? Never uses it to make a call? Never uses it to select music to play?
At first glance I'd say that I never use Siri, but then if I think about it for a microsecond I realize that I do, especially while driving with CarPlay enabled. The technology is best when it's integrated so you don't even realize you're using it.
avon b7 said: Again. If that were an issue, people wouldn't opt for them.
Then that must mean Siri and AI are a non-issue for Apple. People buy iPhones. Non-issue.
Not sure if Siri or AI (at least Apple Intelligence) actually sell phones. My wife hasn't used Siri in years.
We have unlimited access to Perplexity Pro and she doesn't use that either.
Folding phones have a huge selling point: the folding part. It's safe to say 100% of folding phones are sold on that feature.
Never sets a timer? Never sets an alarm? Never dictates a text? Never uses it to make a call? Never uses it to select music to play?
At first glance I'd say that I never use Siri, but then if I think about it for a microsecond I realize that I do, especially while driving with CarPlay enabled. The technology is best when it's integrated so you don't even realize you're using it.
All the things you just mentioned people may use them here and there, but they don’t think of it as Apple Intelligence or AI or anything. It just hangs in the background and they use it from time to time in the end I think that’s what Apple is aiming for, something that you use that stays out of the way until you need it. And that’s fine with me.
Many people seem to expect Robbie the robot or some type of Steven Spielberg AI, that may happen decades down the road, but I don’t think it’s gonna happen anytime in the next 10 years…… But I do believe that whoever gets to that point has to be the master of both in house hardware and software and there aren’t that many companies out there right now that’s closer than Apple right now doesn’t mean there aren’t gonna be other companies, but most of the current competition aren’t close.
For example progress (iteration) is relatively slow one baby step was taken by Apple with the design of the C1 Apple modem, because if there is any chance of miniaturizing the Vision Pro or designing new smaller devices that are energy efficient and integrated through OS software.
avon b7 said: Folding phones have a huge selling point: the folding part. It's safe to say 100% of folding phones are sold on that feature.
But that doesn't mean customers consider the folding part to be without flaws. And saying folding is a "huge" selling point is contradicted by the actual sales of folding phones.
Beating a dead donkey this is what this is. Another iPhone (yawn): iPhone 16e (aka the Dud) and now the iPhone Fold (another dud). And in another four years: the iPhone Anniversary Edition - 20th Phone. What does it do? Makes phone call, text messages and oh yes the entire back is covered with cameras. Other than that, nada. Other than over-complicating an iOS with myriad functionality that everyone keeps turning off because it is getting in the way of working and eats up gobs of memory.
And, oh yes, let's not forget Apple Intelligence. Which Microsoft shuttered last week is starting to look a lot like the dot.com boom of the Y2K.
Talk about eating the same meal that Steve Jobs cooked all those years ago. Must be surely getting stale by now.
And the new vision: the Vision Pro aka the dead horse.
Apple needs new blood rather than stirring the same pot ad infinitum.
And meanwhile, in the real world: Apple's booming sales keep fueling record-setting revenues and profits, it's the world's most valuable company, its stock price sits near its all-time highs and it just won its 18th straight World's Most Admired Company award. But The Cult of Dead Steve just can't abide a level of consistent, record-setting success that exceeds what Apple achieved under Jobs.
World’s Most Admired Company Awards is… kind of a misnomer.
But yes, Apple has won that award 18 times in a row.
Does that make Apple the Beyoncé of the Most Admired Company Awards?
I don’t understand the reference (joke?). Beyoncé famously only just now won the Grammy for “Album of the Year” for the first time ever in her career (despite having been making amazing music for 25+ years). If anything, Beyoncé the exact opposite of Apple winning the Most Admired Company award for 18 years in a row.
Beating a dead donkey this is what this is. Another iPhone (yawn): iPhone 16e (aka the Dud) and now the iPhone Fold (another dud). And in another four years: the iPhone Anniversary Edition - 20th Phone. What does it do? Makes phone call, text messages and oh yes the entire back is covered with cameras. Other than that, nada. Other than over-complicating an iOS with myriad functionality that everyone keeps turning off because it is getting in the way of working and eats up gobs of memory.
And, oh yes, let's not forget Apple Intelligence. Which Microsoft shuttered last week is starting to look a lot like the dot.com boom of the Y2K.
Talk about eating the same meal that Steve Jobs cooked all those years ago. Must be surely getting stale by now.
And the new vision: the Vision Pro aka the dead horse.
Apple needs new blood rather than stirring the same pot ad infinitum.
And meanwhile, in the real world: Apple's booming sales keep fueling record-setting revenues and profits, it's the world's most valuable company, its stock price sits near its all-time highs and it just won its 18th straight World's Most Admired Company award. But The Cult of Dead Steve just can't abide a level of consistent, record-setting success that exceeds what Apple achieved under Jobs.
On that basis, the drug cartels are the sure epitome. They are the highest grossing, best managed businesses the world over, despite not having any board members on the election committees and dealing with adversarial forces on every front. I am just taking your measure of success: $$$$.
I was talking about innovation. You obviously buried your head in the pot full of cash and forgot about that.
Can't waste my time. You continue barking at the moon on message boards. I'll continue making money on Apple innovation. 14 years with Cook as CEO and the growth has never stopped. It is a far better and exponentially more successful company now than when Jobs died--but by all means, you keep worshipping at your altar of Dead Steve.
Yup. Proved my point. You are tone deaf. I am not worshipping Steve Jobs. I am just pointing out the bleeding obvious that you can only milk a product so far before you bleed it dry. MS under Nutella moved away from Windows to the Cloud. Google, ok, bad example because they are a one trick pony: Search. But Apple has traditionally been a huge innovator during the early Jobs era, then it faltered and almost died, then Jobs came back and it was one great product after another. Where is that innovation gone? You can keep on hiring best and brightest engineers in the world but engineers do not create, they build. You need someone with a great vision to follow on from Jobs and I just don't see it. Apple Car. Dead. Vision Pro. On life support. And now more iPhone configurations to lengthen its life well beyond its due by date. Yes Apple is making money. But that's not enough.
As of yet, nobody has figured out how to replace a smartphone, not just Apple. The smartphone has been I’ve if the most important developments in the history of communications, computing, music playback, gaming, etc., to minimize that by saying that Apple hasn’t innovated since the beginning, is just trash talk on your part. The modern smartphone is almost entirely an Apple innovation, as the previous generation were terrible. I still have my Palm 700p in a drawer, considered to be one if the best at the time.
the problem for people who have never invented anything, is that they don’t know just how difficult it is, even for something simple. I don’t think you know what innovation is. Most companies have just one, or two major innovations the entire life of the company. Apple has many. You obviously don’t consider the iPad, or Watch, to be important, but you’re wrong. And while it’s in early days and not intended for a general audience, something many commentators forget, the Vision Pro has gained a lot of traction in corporate and government. I know a number of people there who are using it, and the is has undergone significant improvements since it came out.
yeah, it’s too bad about the car. I’d love to know what went on there. But overall, Tim has done an excellent job. The more evolved things become, the more difficult to have a major advance. Phones are pretty evolved, thanks to Apple. The next big thing, like it or not, will be hardware more oriented towards efficient and powerful A.I. on device. Something no one else seems to be interested in elsewhere. That could be a breakthrough.
Is Apple loosing touch with its customers? Because what I see is increasingly bigger iPhones when there’s so many wanting a small iPhone. I know it’s been said that Apple stopped the Mini versions because of not enough being sold, but is that the whole truth and if, maybe things have changed since then. I don’t see so many expressing that they want a foldable iPhone or what the 16e became. By the way, I kind of like the 16e except that it is too big.
Actually, people want larger phones, not smaller ones. The problem when you sell 220 million phones a year is that if “only” a few million want a small phone, it might not cover the developmental costs, plus the warrantee, support, etc. Everyone who wants something that almost nobody else wants gets ticked off when that product is gone.
i remember when the iPhone killed keyboarded phones. These who wanted keyboards screamed about how people wanted them. But those sales just went away. When keyboard products came out, they died for lack of sales. Those people went and bought virtual keyboard phones. The “problem” went away. The same thing is happening here. I have one friend who bought the SE. he claimed bigger phones were too big for his (average sized) hands. His girlfriend bought the Pro version, with her smaller hands.
its mostly, I believe, a price thing. This phone is more expensive and I’m convinced that most people who bought the SE did so because of the price, even if they said it was the size. Most higher end phones are in the larger size, most cheap phones are on the smaller size, and these priced in the middle tend to have in between size screens, cheaper larger screens or slightly better smaller ones.
Apple wants to bring all of their phones to the latest generation technologies, which makes sense. While Apple Intelligence isn’t much right now, in a couple of years it should be and Apple has a history of trying to have all of its products take advantage of their most advanced features.
avon b7 said: Again. If that were an issue, people wouldn't opt for them.
Then that must mean Siri and AI are a non-issue for Apple. People buy iPhones. Non-issue.
Not sure if Siri or AI (at least Apple Intelligence) actually sell phones. My wife hasn't used Siri in years.
We have unlimited access to Perplexity Pro and she doesn't use that either.
Folding phones have a huge selling point: the folding part. It's safe to say 100% of folding phones are sold on that feature.
Never sets a timer? Never sets an alarm? Never dictates a text? Never uses it to make a call? Never uses it to select music to play?
At first glance I'd say that I never use Siri, but then if I think about it for a microsecond I realize that I do, especially while driving with CarPlay enabled. The technology is best when it's integrated so you don't even realize you're using it.
Never. Timers are almost always device based so for example for cooking with Thermomix it's the device timer she uses. Other timers are set on her watch (Huawei - she would hate to charge a watch every day or two and hates the design of Apple Watch) . Calls are manual. In our experience, Siri is so bad at choosing the right person to call that she prefers to do that manually. For music it's all server based and she uses Plex Amp and playlists.
She dictates a bit with WhatsApp but with nothing else.
avon b7 said: Folding phones have a huge selling point: the folding part. It's safe to say 100% of folding phones are sold on that feature.
But that doesn't mean customers consider the folding part to be without flaws. And saying folding is a "huge" selling point is contradicted by the actual sales of folding phones.
No one is saying there are no flaws.
The folding aspect is huge for the people who buy folding phones. It's the number one reason for the sale. How many units are sold is not relevant.
People most certainly don't buy iPhones for Siri and Apple Intelligence is far from where it needs to be at the moment.
avon b7 said: Folding phones have a huge selling point: the folding part. It's safe to say 100% of folding phones are sold on that feature.
But that doesn't mean customers consider the folding part to be without flaws. And saying folding is a "huge" selling point is contradicted by the actual sales of folding phones.
No one is saying there are no flaws.
The folding aspect is huge for the people who buy folding phones. It's the number one reason for the sale. How many units are sold is not relevant.
People most certainly don't buy iPhones for Siri and Apple Intelligence is far from where it needs to be at the moment.
The number of sales is very relevant. It’s always relevant. If they don’t sell enough, they can’t lay all of the costs, which are huge. They may be selling the phones at a loss. Nobody outside of the companies involved know the answer to that.
Beating a dead donkey this is what this is. Another iPhone (yawn): iPhone 16e (aka the Dud) and now the iPhone Fold (another dud). And in another four years: the iPhone Anniversary Edition - 20th Phone. What does it do? Makes phone call, text messages and oh yes the entire back is covered with cameras. Other than that, nada. Other than over-complicating an iOS with myriad functionality that everyone keeps turning off because it is getting in the way of working and eats up gobs of memory.
And, oh yes, let's not forget Apple Intelligence. Which Microsoft shuttered last week is starting to look a lot like the dot.com boom of the Y2K.
Talk about eating the same meal that Steve Jobs cooked all those years ago. Must be surely getting stale by now.
And the new vision: the Vision Pro aka the dead horse.
Apple needs new blood rather than stirring the same pot ad infinitum.
This is like looking into opposite world. I love it! Giving Jim Cramer a run for his money, maybe you can take over when he retires. canukstorm said:
Beating a dead donkey this is what this is. Another iPhone (yawn): iPhone 16e (aka the Dud) and now the iPhone Fold (another dud). And in another four years: the iPhone Anniversary Edition - 20th Phone. What does it do? Makes phone call, text messages and oh yes the entire back is covered with cameras. Other than that, nada. Other than over-complicating an iOS with myriad functionality that everyone keeps turning off because it is getting in the way of working and eats up gobs of memory.
And, oh yes, let's not forget Apple Intelligence. Which Microsoft shuttered last week is starting to look a lot like the dot.com boom of the Y2K.
Talk about eating the same meal that Steve Jobs cooked all those years ago. Must be surely getting stale by now.
And the new vision: the Vision Pro aka the dead horse.
Apple needs new blood rather than stirring the same pot ad infinitum.
And meanwhile, in the real world: Apple's booming sales keep fueling record-setting revenues and profits, it's the world's most valuable company, its stock price sits near its all-time highs and it just won its 18th straight World's Most Admired Company award. But The Cult of Dead Steve just can't abide a level of consistent, record-setting success that exceeds what Apple achieved under Jobs.
Apple is not a growth company
Idk who this Geiger guy is, but judging by these posts, I don't want to. What incredibly bad takes. lmao
avon b7 said: Folding phones have a huge selling point: the folding part. It's safe to say 100% of folding phones are sold on that feature.
But that doesn't mean customers consider the folding part to be without flaws. And saying folding is a "huge" selling point is contradicted by the actual sales of folding phones.
No one is saying there are no flaws.
The folding aspect is huge for the people who buy folding phones. It's the number one reason for the sale. How many units are sold is not relevant.
People most certainly don't buy iPhones for Siri and Apple Intelligence is far from where it needs to be at the moment.
The number of sales is very relevant. It’s always relevant. If they don’t sell enough, they can’t lay all of the costs, which are huge. They may be selling the phones at a loss. Nobody outside of the companies involved know the answer to that.
Re-read for context. The numbers are irrevelant to why people buy folding phones: because of the folding aspect.
In terms of profitability, I know of at least one phone that was sold at a loss.
That was due to screen costs but necessary to move the technology forward.
There is no way that five years and multiple models from numerous manufacturers are resulting in folding phones being sold at a loss
Not that costs are relevant to the point I was responding to either.
Consumers don't care about how much it cost to make a product. They care about the sale price.
That said, high pricing is a limiting factor in any market and Huawei is rumoured to be releasing an 'affordable' folding phone soon. Perhaps even this month.
avon b7 said: Folding phones have a huge selling point: the folding part. It's safe to say 100% of folding phones are sold on that feature.
But that doesn't mean customers consider the folding part to be without flaws. And saying folding is a "huge" selling point is contradicted by the actual sales of folding phones.
No one is saying there are no flaws.
The folding aspect is huge for the people who buy folding phones. It's the number one reason for the sale. How many units are sold is not relevant.
People most certainly don't buy iPhones for Siri and Apple Intelligence is far from where it needs to be at the moment.
The number of sales is very relevant. It’s always relevant. If they don’t sell enough, they can’t lay all of the costs, which are huge. They may be selling the phones at a loss. Nobody outside of the companies involved know the answer to that.
Re-read for context. The numbers are irrevelant to why people buy folding phones: because of the folding aspect.
In terms of profitability, I know of at least one phone that was sold at a loss.
That was due to screen costs but necessary to move the technology forward.
There is no way that five years and multiple models from numerous manufacturers are resulting in folding phones being sold at a loss
Not that costs are relevant to the point I was responding to either.
Consumers don't care about how much it cost to make a product. They care about the sale price.
That said, high pricing is a limiting factor in any market and Huawei is rumoured to be releasing an 'affordable' folding phone soon. Perhaps even this month.
Since folding phones are a tiny percentage of sales for any of these manufacturers, losses wouldn’t be surprising. They are more of a prestige product than a practical, money making one. Most Android manufacturers barely make any profit as it is, with Apple and Samsung sucking mist of it up.
avon b7 said: Folding phones have a huge selling point: the folding part. It's safe to say 100% of folding phones are sold on that feature.
But that doesn't mean customers consider the folding part to be without flaws. And saying folding is a "huge" selling point is contradicted by the actual sales of folding phones.
No one is saying there are no flaws.
The folding aspect is huge for the people who buy folding phones. It's the number one reason for the sale. How many units are sold is not relevant.
People most certainly don't buy iPhones for Siri and Apple Intelligence is far from where it needs to be at the moment.
The number of sales is very relevant. It’s always relevant. If they don’t sell enough, they can’t lay all of the costs, which are huge. They may be selling the phones at a loss. Nobody outside of the companies involved know the answer to that.
Re-read for context. The numbers are irrevelant to why people buy folding phones: because of the folding aspect.
In terms of profitability, I know of at least one phone that was sold at a loss.
That was due to screen costs but necessary to move the technology forward.
There is no way that five years and multiple models from numerous manufacturers are resulting in folding phones being sold at a loss
Not that costs are relevant to the point I was responding to either.
Consumers don't care about how much it cost to make a product. They care about the sale price.
That said, high pricing is a limiting factor in any market and Huawei is rumoured to be releasing an 'affordable' folding phone soon. Perhaps even this month.
Since folding phones are a tiny percentage of sales for any of these manufacturers, losses wouldn’t be surprising. They are more of a prestige product than a practical, money making one. Most Android manufacturers barely make any profit as it is, with Apple and Samsung sucking mist of it up.
Literally the first paragraph of the article I linked to:
"Foldable smartphones are more profitable than conventional candy bar smartphones, independent research from Japanese firm Fomalhaut Techno Solutions has revealed."
No matter the size of the market, a more profitable phone is preferable to a less profitable one. And let's not forget we are talking about millions of phones.
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Meanwhile... the new Xiaomi 15 Ultra, pictured in black and silver below, is the first phone I've seen that has me wishing I wasn't stuck in the Apple ecosystem. What a GORGEOUS piece of design work.
I am sitting in my Apple Car, wearing my Vision Pro and looking forward to my iPhone Fold.
Apart from some models (noticeably older Samsung efforts) most people wouldn't notice a difference at first glance. That's because they look and feel just fine in the hand.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/ewanspence/2024/09/30/honour-magic-v3-review-foldable-android-smartphone-battery-camera-size/
That is a 20:9 aspect ratio. The iPhone is 19.5:9
We have unlimited access to Perplexity Pro and she doesn't use that either.
Folding phones have a huge selling point: the folding part. It's safe to say 100% of folding phones are sold on that feature.
At first glance I'd say that I never use Siri, but then if I think about it for a microsecond I realize that I do, especially while driving with CarPlay enabled. The technology is best when it's integrated so you don't even realize you're using it.
Many people seem to expect Robbie the robot or some type of Steven Spielberg AI, that may happen decades down the road, but I don’t think it’s gonna happen anytime in the next 10 years…… But I do believe that whoever gets to that point has to be the master of both in house hardware and software and there aren’t that many companies out there right now that’s closer than Apple right now doesn’t mean there aren’t gonna be other companies, but most of the current competition aren’t close.
For example progress (iteration) is relatively slow one baby step was taken by Apple with the design of the C1 Apple modem, because if there is any chance of miniaturizing the Vision Pro or designing new smaller devices that are energy efficient and integrated through OS software.
the problem for people who have never invented anything, is that they don’t know just how difficult it is, even for something simple. I don’t think you know what innovation is. Most companies have just one, or two major innovations the entire life of the company. Apple has many. You obviously don’t consider the iPad, or Watch, to be important, but you’re wrong. And while it’s in early days and not intended for a general audience, something many commentators forget, the Vision Pro has gained a lot of traction in corporate and government. I know a number of people there who are using it, and the is has undergone significant improvements since it came out.
yeah, it’s too bad about the car. I’d love to know what went on there. But overall, Tim has done an excellent job. The more evolved things become, the more difficult to have a major advance. Phones are pretty evolved, thanks to Apple. The next big thing, like it or not, will be hardware more oriented towards efficient and powerful A.I. on device. Something no one else seems to be interested in elsewhere. That could be a breakthrough.
i remember when the iPhone killed keyboarded phones. These who wanted keyboards screamed about how people wanted them. But those sales just went away. When keyboard products came out, they died for lack of sales. Those people went and bought virtual keyboard phones. The “problem” went away. The same thing is happening here. I have one friend who bought the SE. he claimed bigger phones were too big for his (average sized) hands. His girlfriend bought the Pro version, with her smaller hands.
its mostly, I believe, a price thing. This phone is more expensive and I’m convinced that most people who bought the SE did so because of the price, even if they said it was the size. Most higher end phones are in the larger size, most cheap phones are on the smaller size, and these priced in the middle tend to have in between size screens, cheaper larger screens or slightly better smaller ones.
Apple wants to bring all of their phones to the latest generation technologies, which makes sense. While Apple Intelligence isn’t much right now, in a couple of years it should be and Apple has a history of trying to have all of its products take advantage of their most advanced features.
She dictates a bit with WhatsApp but with nothing else.
The folding aspect is huge for the people who buy folding phones. It's the number one reason for the sale. How many units are sold is not relevant.
People most certainly don't buy iPhones for Siri and Apple Intelligence is far from where it needs to be at the moment.
canukstorm said: Idk who this Geiger guy is, but judging by these posts, I don't want to. What incredibly bad takes. lmao
In terms of profitability, I know of at least one phone that was sold at a loss.
That was due to screen costs but necessary to move the technology forward.
There is no way that five years and multiple models from numerous manufacturers are resulting in folding phones being sold at a loss
https://www.androidheadlines.com/2022/12/foldable-phones-more-profitable.html ;
Not that costs are relevant to the point I was responding to either.
Consumers don't care about how much it cost to make a product. They care about the sale price.
That said, high pricing is a limiting factor in any market and Huawei is rumoured to be releasing an 'affordable' folding phone soon. Perhaps even this month.
"Foldable smartphones are more profitable than conventional candy bar smartphones, independent research from Japanese firm Fomalhaut Techno Solutions has revealed."
No matter the size of the market, a more profitable phone is preferable to a less profitable one. And let's not forget we are talking about millions of phones.