avon b7 said: Folding phones have a huge selling point: the folding part. It's safe to say 100% of folding phones are sold on that feature.
But that doesn't mean customers consider the folding part to be without flaws. And saying folding is a "huge" selling point is contradicted by the actual sales of folding phones.
No one is saying there are no flaws.
The folding aspect is huge for the people who buy folding phones. It's the number one reason for the sale. How many units are sold is not relevant.
People most certainly don't buy iPhones for Siri and Apple Intelligence is far from where it needs to be at the moment.
The number of sales is very relevant. It’s always relevant. If they don’t sell enough, they can’t lay all of the costs, which are huge. They may be selling the phones at a loss. Nobody outside of the companies involved know the answer to that.
Re-read for context. The numbers are irrevelant to why people buy folding phones: because of the folding aspect.
In terms of profitability, I know of at least one phone that was sold at a loss.
That was due to screen costs but necessary to move the technology forward.
There is no way that five years and multiple models from numerous manufacturers are resulting in folding phones being sold at a loss
Not that costs are relevant to the point I was responding to either.
Consumers don't care about how much it cost to make a product. They care about the sale price.
That said, high pricing is a limiting factor in any market and Huawei is rumoured to be releasing an 'affordable' folding phone soon. Perhaps even this month.
Since folding phones are a tiny percentage of sales for any of these manufacturers, losses wouldn’t be surprising. They are more of a prestige product than a practical, money making one. Most Android manufacturers barely make any profit as it is, with Apple and Samsung sucking mist of it up.
Literally the first paragraph of the article I linked to:
"Foldable smartphones are more profitable than conventional candy bar smartphones, independent research from Japanese firm Fomalhaut Techno Solutions has revealed."
No matter the size of the market, a more profitable phone is preferable to a less profitable one. And let's not forget we are talking about millions of phones.
I doubt that’s true. I don’t know who these people are. A lot of these firms name statements like that, but are wrong. Millions of phones isn’t a lot. Until you get into tens of millions, it’s the tail meaning the dog.
avon b7 said: Folding phones have a huge selling point: the folding part. It's safe to say 100% of folding phones are sold on that feature.
But that doesn't mean customers consider the folding part to be without flaws. And saying folding is a "huge" selling point is contradicted by the actual sales of folding phones.
No one is saying there are no flaws.
The folding aspect is huge for the people who buy folding phones. It's the number one reason for the sale. How many units are sold is not relevant.
People most certainly don't buy iPhones for Siri and Apple Intelligence is far from where it needs to be at the moment.
The number of sales is very relevant. It’s always relevant. If they don’t sell enough, they can’t lay all of the costs, which are huge. They may be selling the phones at a loss. Nobody outside of the companies involved know the answer to that.
Re-read for context. The numbers are irrevelant to why people buy folding phones: because of the folding aspect.
In terms of profitability, I know of at least one phone that was sold at a loss.
That was due to screen costs but necessary to move the technology forward.
There is no way that five years and multiple models from numerous manufacturers are resulting in folding phones being sold at a loss
Not that costs are relevant to the point I was responding to either.
Consumers don't care about how much it cost to make a product. They care about the sale price.
That said, high pricing is a limiting factor in any market and Huawei is rumoured to be releasing an 'affordable' folding phone soon. Perhaps even this month.
Since folding phones are a tiny percentage of sales for any of these manufacturers, losses wouldn’t be surprising. They are more of a prestige product than a practical, money making one. Most Android manufacturers barely make any profit as it is, with Apple and Samsung sucking mist of it up.
Literally the first paragraph of the article I linked to:
"Foldable smartphones are more profitable than conventional candy bar smartphones, independent research from Japanese firm Fomalhaut Techno Solutions has revealed."
No matter the size of the market, a more profitable phone is preferable to a less profitable one. And let's not forget we are talking about millions of phones.
I doubt that’s true. I don’t know who these people are. A lot of these firms name statements like that, but are wrong. Millions of phones isn’t a lot. Until you get into tens of millions, it’s the tail meaning the dog.
You have to think that if they really were more profitable per device or as a product category, then why would Apple be leaving money on the table? If what Avon says is true then Apple is really shitty company that will likely fold within weeks.
avon b7 said: Folding phones have a huge selling point: the folding part. It's safe to say 100% of folding phones are sold on that feature.
But that doesn't mean customers consider the folding part to be without flaws. And saying folding is a "huge" selling point is contradicted by the actual sales of folding phones.
No one is saying there are no flaws.
The folding aspect is huge for the people who buy folding phones. It's the number one reason for the sale. How many units are sold is not relevant.
People most certainly don't buy iPhones for Siri and Apple Intelligence is far from where it needs to be at the moment.
The number of sales is very relevant. It’s always relevant. If they don’t sell enough, they can’t lay all of the costs, which are huge. They may be selling the phones at a loss. Nobody outside of the companies involved know the answer to that.
Re-read for context. The numbers are irrevelant to why people buy folding phones: because of the folding aspect.
In terms of profitability, I know of at least one phone that was sold at a loss.
That was due to screen costs but necessary to move the technology forward.
There is no way that five years and multiple models from numerous manufacturers are resulting in folding phones being sold at a loss
Not that costs are relevant to the point I was responding to either.
Consumers don't care about how much it cost to make a product. They care about the sale price.
That said, high pricing is a limiting factor in any market and Huawei is rumoured to be releasing an 'affordable' folding phone soon. Perhaps even this month.
Since folding phones are a tiny percentage of sales for any of these manufacturers, losses wouldn’t be surprising. They are more of a prestige product than a practical, money making one. Most Android manufacturers barely make any profit as it is, with Apple and Samsung sucking mist of it up.
Literally the first paragraph of the article I linked to:
"Foldable smartphones are more profitable than conventional candy bar smartphones, independent research from Japanese firm Fomalhaut Techno Solutions has revealed."
No matter the size of the market, a more profitable phone is preferable to a less profitable one. And let's not forget we are talking about millions of phones.
I doubt that’s true. I don’t know who these people are. A lot of these firms name statements like that, but are wrong. Millions of phones isn’t a lot. Until you get into tens of millions, it’s the tail meaning the dog.
You have to think that if they really were more profitable per device or as a product category, then why would Apple be leaving money on the table? If what Avon says is true then Apple is really shitty company that will likely fold within weeks.
Avon is an Apple hater. He favors Chinese companies. He’ll throw a bone to Apple once in a while to show that he’s neutral, ut it’s been pretty obvious over the years that he’s not. I don’t recall anything he’s ever said that goes against Huawei, for example, just defense.
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