Time to come out of your news bubble. China shutting down majority of factories calling it a worker holiday. With no wages of course and no idea when or if factories will reopen. Factory owners all over tik tok selling equipment showing the devastation. Two more weeks and 80% of factories will close. Four two six weeks Chinese economic collapse. Most Chinese companies receiving nothing but order cancellations. Chinese are terrified. Those videos are shocking. I had no idea their economy could be brought down so fast.
We been the dumping ground of Made in China, and who’s to be blame??? American consumers and the greedy corporations are just reacting. We get what we planted so get over it. We can’t continue this way or we don’t have America to be called our country.
Apple is no exception, I my self will have to tighten my belt if it has to come that way…..so far I don’t see any Apple price increases, all I’ve heard are fear mongering.
We're not, the whole world is. China has massive facilities that supply quality products at scale to the entire world, not just the US. If the US wants to compete with China, we would need a longterm roadmap and great international relations.
I don’t know where you get “90” from.m his post. But some have publicly stated so and some have made the trip to meet the president in person to cut a deal. You’ve got China, tje eu, and Canada adding even more tariffs onto their already present tariffs. These three have already been mentioned by the president as problems before the tariffs were implemented. So no surprise there.
Canada doesn’t hold much weight in trade, but China does. And they use it to push that weight around.
The eu has been in tje news lately targeting American companies with laws that apply only to them. And on top of that, applying another set to only apple.
You’ve also got Israel, Japan, South Korea, Vietnamese, and others negotiating.
Of these, Israel, Japan, and South Korea are msjor players and hVe tje potential to shift the balance of global trading power.
So while China has bullying power today, that may not last since that power comes directly from the victims. Now that one is fighting back, things get interesting.
It’s better for the entire world to have a level playing field and fair trade. Not charging someone a lot more bevause they happen to be good at what they do.
You're the perfect example of someone who follows the news through Fox News, spitting the propaganda you see in it
Time to come out of your news bubble. China shutting down majority of factories calling it a worker holiday. With no wages of course and no idea when or if factories will reopen. Factory owners all over tik tok selling equipment showing the devastation. Two more weeks and 80% of factories will close. Four two six weeks Chinese economic collapse. Most Chinese companies receiving nothing but order cancellations. Chinese are terrified. Those videos are shocking. I had no idea their economy could be brought down so fast.
Ask others to come out of news bubble and then he writes the most stupid thing in the thread
But America can just as easily wait out some production relocation or shift habits.
China won’t be recovering thst money.
Apple is already reallocating the weight of production. It will take a bit. But it will be done. It’s just too bad that there aren’t more truly free nations to move it to.
The only way the USA wins this is to keep its foot in the gas and not give in to bullies. We’ve been pushed around and robbed long enough. As O’Leary said:enough is enough.” Time to get back.
It is funny seeing how Trump and his supporters work towards USA's destruction
its sad seeing how detractors and their ilk will go so far as to defend unfair trade practices and dictatorships in order to pile on against ideas they don’t like.
Just think:
1) Your iPhone is made in US with rare metals and parts from China with 225% of tariffs of yours.
2) The wage per hour for an American worker is 5 to10 times higher then a China's worker.
How much you think will be then the price of your iPhone?
I am sure, there are another ways to bring iPhone production back in the USA
This trade war is a gift to China. Trump is teaching the rest of the world that the US is not a reliable trading partner, it is not an ally in defense, nor will it help you in your time of need. Any country that is interested in a stable growing economy will want to shift to China as a trading partner, and perhaps Russia for defense. Neither of these choices are good for the US in the short term or the long term.
It will be interesting to see how Trump blames Biden for the results of his trade war.
But let's suppose that Trump actually was interested in bringing manufacturing back to the USA. The biggest hurdle is education. We would need a massive program to train people to take on the highly technical jobs of building and maintaining a modern, competitive factory. That would be a task for the US Department of Education. But he is dissolving that department.
This is typical of Trump. He announced that the US was interested in taking over Gaza, and rebuilding it. He said this just after dissolving the arm of the US government that has the experience and expertise to do exactly that - USAID.
Time to come out of your news bubble. China shutting down majority of factories calling it a worker holiday. With no wages of course and no idea when or if factories will reopen. Factory owners all over tik tok selling equipment showing the devastation. Two more weeks and 80% of factories will close. Four two six weeks Chinese economic collapse. Most Chinese companies receiving nothing but order cancellations. Chinese are terrified. Those videos are shocking. I had no idea their economy could be brought down so fast.
Ask others to come out of news bubble and then he writes the most stupid thing in the thread
haha, I was thinking exactly the same thing. No one has EVER posted anything fake on social media before to manipulate public opinion /s
People have lost critical thinking skills so badly that they can't discern random social media posts from real journalism anymore. And that's exactly what the power brokers of the world are taking advantage of.
To all the people saying we don't need China, where are we supposed to get all of our rare metals from?
Greenland! Surely the ice is on average 1 mile deep but that is why climate change is such a positive concept (tariffs and Teslas are nice too). How to handle the native population? Once again President McKinley is our inspiration: take their land, invalidate their courts, and drill baby, drill!.
The US needs stuff from China more than China needs ANYTHING from the US. I expect there may be exemptions for Amazon, Apple and Walmart. But the hundreds of thousands of small stores, local stores, regional stores, that are the heart of the economy will be massacred.
As someone pointed out yesterday, this whole scrap is above all making China look like the reliable, stable, rational, trustworthy partner. That is going to be the most harmful thing coming out of this for the US.
China needs money from the US to run their economy. The US is by far their biggest customer whereas we are mostly consumers of their products - many of them not essential for daily life. Yes, some small businesses rely on their cheap Chinese products but they will have to adapt in the short term - you don’t fold because some segments get hurt. If the US stops buying the Chinese goods then China must sell them elsewhere, or shutter factories, which floods the market and crashes their prices. Forgotten in all this is the massive theft by China on IP which was being reversed by the first Trump administration and then was unexplainable dropped by the Biden administration. This needs to be corrected as well and this requires the Chinese govt to enforce.
What happened with agriculture in his last term? China quickly pivoted away to Brazil. Lobsters from Maine? China went to Canada.
China is in a situation - provoked by the US - where mutual trade is severely impacted.
They won't go crawling to Trump and they've made that very clear.
They will continue to get rid of US debt but with a common sense approach. They will tighten restrictions on critical minerals/rare earths. They could even switch away from Boeing to Airbus as a symbolic move. They will strengthen BRICS+ deals as well as tempt the EU.
At the end of the day it is Trump who started everything and it is Trump who will have to fix it.
He blinked first with the 90 day pause. Now he will have to blink again.
You obviously do not know how these negotiations work. The so called blink has 90 countries negotiating and if that’s a blink then blink away. The whole world knows China is the bully when it comes to trade and fairness, did you somehow miss this?
'90 countries' rounds out to a nice one country per day. 'Negotiating' does not mean 'agreement' and there is only one country that means much in hard-dollar terms: China.
Yet China isn't one of the supposed 90. I very much doubt 90 is even a correct figure anyway
Trump and his troupe denied there would be any standing down on their position but just hours later we got just that.
The exact same (or even better) results could have been attained by just talking to trading partners and setting out the game plan.
What we got instead was trillions kicked off of the global financial system, uncertainty, bonds rising, trust irreparably harmed, recession indicators rising and threats to sovereign nations about being taken over by force.
Tariffs themselves (used adequately) aren't a problem. Trump and his particular Trump tariffs are.
Time to come out of your news bubble. China shutting down majority of factories calling it a worker holiday. With no wages of course and no idea when or if factories will reopen. Factory owners all over tik tok selling equipment showing the devastation. Two more weeks and 80% of factories will close. Four two six weeks Chinese economic collapse. Most Chinese companies receiving nothing but order cancellations. Chinese are terrified. Those videos are shocking. I had no idea their economy could be brought down so fast.
China isn't shutting down a majority of factories.
Less than 15% of China's global exports go to the US.
Some factories are likely to slow down production for a time. Some might even close. This happens all the time - everywhere!
But, think about what you are saying. How will those products be replaced within the US market? If the US can make them at all it can't do be done overnight. It definitely can't be done for lower main street pricing.
By your very own logic that must mean that US employees involved with transporting those goods, storing those good and selling those goods will also have less work and therefore the risk of being laid off.
China has made it clear. There are no winners in a trade war.
The US needs stuff from China more than China needs ANYTHING from the US. I expect there may be exemptions for Amazon, Apple and Walmart. But the hundreds of thousands of small stores, local stores, regional stores, that are the heart of the economy will be massacred.
As someone pointed out yesterday, this whole scrap is above all making China look like the reliable, stable, rational, trustworthy partner. That is going to be the most harmful thing coming out of this for the US.
The things China imports from the United States are food, oil and gas, and medications (top three, in that order). These are, of course, very important things.
Time to come out of your news bubble. China shutting down majority of factories calling it a worker holiday. With no wages of course and no idea when or if factories will reopen. Factory owners all over tik tok selling equipment showing the devastation. Two more weeks and 80% of factories will close. Four two six weeks Chinese economic collapse. Most Chinese companies receiving nothing but order cancellations. Chinese are terrified. Those videos are shocking. I had no idea their economy could be brought down so fast.
But America can just as easily wait out some production relocation or shift habits.
China won’t be recovering thst money.
Apple is already reallocating the weight of production. It will take a bit. But it will be done. It’s just too bad that there aren’t more truly free nations to move it to.
The only way the USA wins this is to keep its foot in the gas and not give in to bullies. We’ve been pushed around and robbed long enough. As O’Leary said:enough is enough.” Time to get back.
From the camp that promised "Lower prices from Day 1". Lie # 57,291.
WHO has ever shown evidence that trade wars are a good thing economically? Economics, logic, and history show to the contrary.
>>>Tariffs driving up consumer prices is as sure a thing as rain making you wet. But it’s worth pointing to the evidence as it comes in, because unlike rain’s wetness, the “emperor sure does have clothes” MAGA contingent is trying to argue that tariffs don’t have this obvious effect.
There is no chance that there will be a vast number of new manufacturing jobs created by these tariffs. It takes about three years to design and build out a large manufacturing facility and another two years to get it operational. (In Apple's case they need, according to an interview, it takes about 30,000 engineers to monitor iPhone production. The chance they would be available is next to zero.) If these factories are built they will be built to employ AI robots not workers. The days of factory work are nearing an end. We need to be planning for a post work economy.
Time to come out of your news bubble. China shutting down majority of factories calling it a worker holiday. With no wages of course and no idea when or if factories will reopen. Factory owners all over tik tok selling equipment showing the devastation. Two more weeks and 80% of factories will close. Four two six weeks Chinese economic collapse. Most Chinese companies receiving nothing but order cancellations. Chinese are terrified. Those videos are shocking. I had no idea their economy could be brought down so fast.
If you want to know how wealthy China is, just search YouTube for China metro stations or China highways, bridges, infrastructures. You think the Golden Gate Bridge is an achievement? Their metro stations are better and bigger than any US airport, not US metro stations but airports!
The US needs stuff from China more than China needs ANYTHING from the US. I expect there may be exemptions for Amazon, Apple and Walmart. But the hundreds of thousands of small stores, local stores, regional stores, that are the heart of the economy will be massacred.
As someone pointed out yesterday, this whole scrap is above all making China look like the reliable, stable, rational, trustworthy partner. That is going to be the most harmful thing coming out of this for the US.
China needs money from the US to run their economy. The US is by far their biggest customer whereas we are mostly consumers of their products - many of them not essential for daily life. Yes, some small businesses rely on their cheap Chinese products but they will have to adapt in the short term - you don’t fold because some segments get hurt. If the US stops buying the Chinese goods then China must sell them elsewhere, or shutter factories, which floods the market and crashes their prices. Forgotten in all this is the massive theft by China on IP which was being reversed by the first Trump administration and then was unexplainable dropped by the Biden administration. This needs to be corrected as well and this requires the Chinese govt to enforce.
What happened with agriculture in his last term? China quickly pivoted away to Brazil. Lobsters from Maine? China went to Canada.
China is in a situation - provoked by the US - where mutual trade is severely impacted.
They won't go crawling to Trump and they've made that very clear.
They will continue to get rid of US debt but with a common sense approach. They will tighten restrictions on critical minerals/rare earths. They could even switch away from Boeing to Airbus as a symbolic move. They will strengthen BRICS+ deals as well as tempt the EU.
At the end of the day it is Trump who started everything and it is Trump who will have to fix it.
He blinked first with the 90 day pause. Now he will have to blink again.
You obviously do not know how these negotiations work. The so called blink has 90 countries negotiating and if that’s a blink then blink away. The whole world knows China is the bully when it comes to trade and fairness, did you somehow miss this?
Oh, you believe that 90 countries are negotiating, how adorable
The US needs stuff from China more than China needs ANYTHING from the US. I expect there may be exemptions for Amazon, Apple and Walmart. But the hundreds of thousands of small stores, local stores, regional stores, that are the heart of the economy will be massacred.
As someone pointed out yesterday, this whole scrap is above all making China look like the reliable, stable, rational, trustworthy partner. That is going to be the most harmful thing coming out of this for the US.
China needs money from the US to run their economy. The US is by far their biggest customer whereas we are mostly consumers of their products - many of them not essential for daily life. Yes, some small businesses rely on their cheap Chinese products but they will have to adapt in the short term - you don’t fold because some segments get hurt. If the US stops buying the Chinese goods then China must sell them elsewhere, or shutter factories, which floods the market and crashes their prices. Forgotten in all this is the massive theft by China on IP which was being reversed by the first Trump administration and then was unexplainable dropped by the Biden administration. This needs to be corrected as well and this requires the Chinese govt to enforce.
What happened with agriculture in his last term? China quickly pivoted away to Brazil. Lobsters from Maine? China went to Canada.
China is in a situation - provoked by the US - where mutual trade is severely impacted.
They won't go crawling to Trump and they've made that very clear.
They will continue to get rid of US debt but with a common sense approach. They will tighten restrictions on critical minerals/rare earths. They could even switch away from Boeing to Airbus as a symbolic move. They will strengthen BRICS+ deals as well as tempt the EU.
At the end of the day it is Trump who started everything and it is Trump who will have to fix it.
He blinked first with the 90 day pause. Now he will have to blink again.
You obviously do not know how these negotiations work. The so called blink has 90 countries negotiating and if that’s a blink then blink away. The whole world knows China is the bully when it comes to trade and fairness, did you somehow miss this?
Oh, you believe that 90 countries are negotiating, how adorable
I don’t know where you get “90” from.m his post.
The 90 is from the Trump administration. Remember when I said you are poorly informed, this is the kind of thing I am talking about. You are all in on Trump but you are also the least informed on what he is even doing.
We been the dumping ground of Made in China, and who’s to be blame??? American consumers and the greedy corporations are just reacting. We get what we planted so get over it. We can’t continue this way or we don’t have America to be called our country.
Apple is no exception, I my self will have to tighten my belt if it has to come that way…..so far I don’t see any Apple price increases, all I’ve heard are fear mongering.
This is a False Dichotomy Fallacy. You are presenting “doing nothing” and massive tariffs as our only two options. 9secods is a big fan of this fallacy as well. Neither of you are having this discussion in good faith.
"When china hold a huge proportion of US debt it's a stupid man that provokes the dragon especially when the US need mountains of new debt continually.
The bond markets are the real king here and will determine the outcome of this farce."
China does not hold a “huge proportion” of U.S. debt. The vast majority of U.S. debt is held by the United States itself. Example: the U.S. treasury holds more bonds than all foreign countries combined.
When china hold a huge proportion of US debt it's a stupid man that provokes the dragon especially when the US need mountains of new debt continually.
The bond markets are the real king here and will determine the outcome of this farce.
I’ve thought for at least 20 years that all China has to do is call in even a good fraction of the US debt they own and it would be all over for the US.
China currently hold about $700-$800 billion in U.S. debt. The GOP did a $2 trillion tax cut in 2017 that was not offset. And they want to make that cut permanent while adding another $2-4 trillion in cuts on top of it that won't be offset either. So China dumping all of their bonds is a drop in the bucket for debt relative to GOP tax cuts.
For anyone interested in facts about the current U.S. debt level, here are the primary drivers of that debt...
A. The George W. Bush administration ending the Bill Clinton tax surplus that was being used to pay down the debt. B. The George W. Bush administration tax cuts. C. The George W. Bush administration invasion and occupation of Afghanistan. D. The George W. Bush administration invasion and occupation of Iraq. E. Loss of tax revenue caused by the Great Recession F. The Donald Trump administration tax cuts. G. Loss of tax revenue caused by the Global Pandemic. H. The DOGE cuts to the IRS.
The GOP plans additional multi-trillions in tax cuts on top of that in the near future.
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People have lost critical thinking skills so badly that they can't discern random social media posts from real journalism anymore. And that's exactly what the power brokers of the world are taking advantage of.
Yet China isn't one of the supposed 90. I very much doubt 90 is even a correct figure anyway
Trump and his troupe denied there would be any standing down on their position but just hours later we got just that.
The exact same (or even better) results could have been attained by just talking to trading partners and setting out the game plan.
What we got instead was trillions kicked off of the global financial system, uncertainty, bonds rising, trust irreparably harmed, recession indicators rising and threats to sovereign nations about being taken over by force.
Tariffs themselves (used adequately) aren't a problem. Trump and his particular Trump tariffs are.
Less than 15% of China's global exports go to the US.
Some factories are likely to slow down production for a time. Some might even close. This happens all the time - everywhere!
But, think about what you are saying. How will those products be replaced within the US market? If the US can make them at all it can't do be done overnight. It definitely can't be done for lower main street pricing.
By your very own logic that must mean that US employees involved with transporting those goods, storing those good and selling those goods will also have less work and therefore the risk of being laid off.
China has made it clear. There are no winners in a trade war.
From the camp that promised "Lower prices from Day 1". Lie # 57,291.
WHO has ever shown evidence that trade wars are a good thing economically? Economics, logic, and history show to the contrary.
>>>Tariffs driving up consumer prices is as sure a thing as rain making you wet. But it’s worth pointing to the evidence as it comes in, because unlike rain’s wetness, the “emperor sure does have clothes” MAGA contingent is trying to argue that tariffs don’t have this obvious effect.
- https://daringfireball.net/linked/2025/04/11/anker-raising-prices
its a cult.
"When china hold a huge proportion of US debt it's a stupid man that provokes the dragon especially when the US need mountains of new debt continually.
The bond markets are the real king here and will determine the outcome of this farce."
China does not hold a “huge proportion” of U.S. debt. The vast majority of U.S. debt is held by the United States itself. Example: the U.S. treasury holds more bonds than all foreign countries combined.
A. The George W. Bush administration ending the Bill Clinton tax surplus that was being used to pay down the debt.
B. The George W. Bush administration tax cuts.
C. The George W. Bush administration invasion and occupation of Afghanistan.
D. The George W. Bush administration invasion and occupation of Iraq.
E. Loss of tax revenue caused by the Great Recession
F. The Donald Trump administration tax cuts.
G. Loss of tax revenue caused by the Global Pandemic.
H. The DOGE cuts to the IRS.
The GOP plans additional multi-trillions in tax cuts on top of that in the near future.