Appeal to what? A kangaroo court that always fines US companies guilty and EU companies innocent?
Do you really believe that the US news bubble that you live in would report on the EU Commission fining EU companies? Newsflash, they have done so many times, you are just ignorant of it.
US does not have any organization that can fine companies 10% of global turnover before any court appeals are done. If the EU is not a definition of a kangaroo court, I don't know what is
Appeal to what? A kangaroo court that always fines US companies guilty and EU companies innocent?
Do you really believe that the US news bubble that you live in would report on the EU Commission fining EU companies? Newsflash, they have done so many times, you are just ignorant of it.
US does not have any organization that can fine companies 10% of global turnover before any court appeals are done. If the EU is not a definition of a kangaroo court, I don't know what is
If the only thing you're considering is the available fines then you've got a weird-ass definition of a kangaroo court.
Appeal to what? A kangaroo court that always fines US companies guilty and EU companies innocent?
Do you really believe that the US news bubble that you live in would report on the EU Commission fining EU companies? Newsflash, they have done so many times, you are just ignorant of it.
US does not have any organization that can fine companies 10% of global turnover before any court appeals are done. If the EU is not a definition of a kangaroo court, I don't know what is
Who needs fines when you have tariffs?
No need for investigations, findings or rulings! Just an executive order and a giant size sharpie pen!
Appeal to what? A kangaroo court that always fines US companies guilty and EU companies innocent?
Do you really believe that the US news bubble that you live in would report on the EU Commission fining EU companies? Newsflash, they have done so many times, you are just ignorant of it.
US does not have any organization that can fine companies 10% of global turnover before any court appeals are done. If the EU is not a definition of a kangaroo court, I don't know what is
If the only thing you're considering is the available fines then you've got a weird-ass definition of a kangaroo court.
I think it's time for the gloves to come off. honestly... this is a disgrace. How long are you guys across the pond (westwards, to be clear) watching this disaster unfolding?
Yes the US are very important for the whole world's economy, but there's limits to everything. We should stop this appeasing and just call out things what they are. The US government decided that diplomacy is no longer "in", so the rest of the world should not be trying to uphold principles towards the US that are not reciprocated.
“Time for the gloves to come off”. LoL. The EU has no technology. Zero. Nothing. That is why it spends all its time with bureaucracy and trying to fine everyone
Go ahead and “take your gloves off” LoL
Technology isn't everything.
There is an EU document out there from the pandemic period analysing strategic dependencies between the EU and other countries/trading blocs.
The US was dependent on the EU for over 260 products.
The EU was dependent on the US for 15.
Areas where the EU was ahead included Advanced manufacturing, IoT, security, advanced materials, photonics and active ingredients for the pharmaceutical industry.
I think it's time for the gloves to come off. honestly... this is a disgrace. How long are you guys across the pond (westwards, to be clear) watching this disaster unfolding?
Yes the US are very important for the whole world's economy, but there's limits to everything. We should stop this appeasing and just call out things what they are. The US government decided that diplomacy is no longer "in", so the rest of the world should not be trying to uphold principles towards the US that are not reciprocated.
“Time for the gloves to come off”. LoL. The EU has no technology. Zero. Nothing. That is why it spends all its time with bureaucracy and trying to fine everyone
Go ahead and “take your gloves off” LoL
Technology isn't everything.
There is an EU document out there from the pandemic period analysing strategic dependencies between the EU and other countries/trading blocs.
The US was dependent on the EU for over 260 products.
The EU was dependent on the US for 15.
Areas where the EU was ahead included Advanced manufacturing, IoT, security, advanced materials, photonics and active ingredients for the pharmaceutical industry.
Most of that happens to involve 'technology'.
“An EU document out there”. LoL
The EU is a leader in NONE of those examples you give. NONE. You really think the EU leads the US in advanced materials? What are you smoking. I’m surprised you did not list Spotify as your leading tech company
I think it's time for the gloves to come off. honestly... this is a disgrace. How long are you guys across the pond (westwards, to be clear) watching this disaster unfolding?
Yes the US are very important for the whole world's economy, but there's limits to everything. We should stop this appeasing and just call out things what they are. The US government decided that diplomacy is no longer "in", so the rest of the world should not be trying to uphold principles towards the US that are not reciprocated.
“Time for the gloves to come off”. LoL. The EU has no technology. Zero. Nothing. That is why it spends all its time with bureaucracy and trying to fine everyone
Go ahead and “take your gloves off” LoL
Technology isn't everything.
There is an EU document out there from the pandemic period analysing strategic dependencies between the EU and other countries/trading blocs.
The US was dependent on the EU for over 260 products.
The EU was dependent on the US for 15.
Areas where the EU was ahead included Advanced manufacturing, IoT, security, advanced materials, photonics and active ingredients for the pharmaceutical industry.
Most of that happens to involve 'technology'.
“An EU document out there”. LoL
The EU is a leader in NONE of those examples you give. NONE. You really think the EU leads the US in advanced materials? What are you smoking. I’m surprised you did not list Spotify as your leading tech company
I think it's time for the gloves to come off. honestly... this is a disgrace. How long are you guys across the pond (westwards, to be clear) watching this disaster unfolding?
Yes the US are very important for the whole world's economy, but there's limits to everything. We should stop this appeasing and just call out things what they are. The US government decided that diplomacy is no longer "in", so the rest of the world should not be trying to uphold principles towards the US that are not reciprocated.
“Time for the gloves to come off”. LoL. The EU has no technology. Zero. Nothing. That is why it spends all its time with bureaucracy and trying to fine everyone
Go ahead and “take your gloves off” LoL
Technology isn't everything.
There is an EU document out there from the pandemic period analysing strategic dependencies between the EU and other countries/trading blocs.
The US was dependent on the EU for over 260 products.
The EU was dependent on the US for 15.
Areas where the EU was ahead included Advanced manufacturing, IoT, security, advanced materials, photonics and active ingredients for the pharmaceutical industry.
Most of that happens to involve 'technology'.
“An EU document out there”. LoL
The EU is a leader in NONE of those examples you give. NONE. You really think the EU leads the US in advanced materials? What are you smoking. I’m surprised you did not list Spotify as your leading tech company
Well, I'm not going to go out of my way to locate it. I have better things to do. I read it during the pandemic. I've posted some of the things I remember from the document, which was an official EU document.
And I didn't even mention 'leader'. The document was on strategic dependencies.
As for 'believing', forgive me for siding with the EU when it comes to official documents.
I just did a very quick Google on photonics where it appears the EU is second only to China.
This explains why the EU sees photonics as a cornerstone technology;
I think it's time for the gloves to come off. honestly... this is a disgrace. How long are you guys across the pond (westwards, to be clear) watching this disaster unfolding?
Yes the US are very important for the whole world's economy, but there's limits to everything. We should stop this appeasing and just call out things what they are. The US government decided that diplomacy is no longer "in", so the rest of the world should not be trying to uphold principles towards the US that are not reciprocated.
“Time for the gloves to come off”. LoL. The EU has no technology. Zero. Nothing. That is why it spends all its time with bureaucracy and trying to fine everyone
Go ahead and “take your gloves off” LoL
Technology isn't everything.
There is an EU document out there from the pandemic period analysing strategic dependencies between the EU and other countries/trading blocs.
The US was dependent on the EU for over 260 products.
The EU was dependent on the US for 15.
Areas where the EU was ahead included Advanced manufacturing, IoT, security, advanced materials, photonics and active ingredients for the pharmaceutical industry.
Most of that happens to involve 'technology'.
“An EU document out there”. LoL
The EU is a leader in NONE of those examples you give. NONE. You really think the EU leads the US in advanced materials? What are you smoking. I’m surprised you did not list Spotify as your leading tech company
Well, being ahead isn't everything.
Well, whoever is the "leader" right now (and I will gladly admit the US has an overwhelming share of Nobel Prize winners), that will change once The Orange One is done dismantling the universities.
Sorry, but if it weren't an extortion racket they would publish actual regulations that tell companies like Apple precisely what compliance consists of. Do they do that? No, they don't, they just "find" that whatever these companies, with no concrete guidance at all on what is expected, did do "wasn't sufficient". Classic racket.
The regulations are clear. Others manage to comply.
Others? Oh good one, thought you were being serious for a moment. I know, the whole "gatekeeper" pretense makes this so ridiculous.
Your ignorance is showing.
If you're really not a fan of kangaroo courts, perhaps it is time to speak up about the disgrace that is your SC.
I think it's time for the gloves to come off. honestly... this is a disgrace. How long are you guys across the pond (westwards, to be clear) watching this disaster unfolding?
Yes the US are very important for the whole world's economy, but there's limits to everything. We should stop this appeasing and just call out things what they are. The US government decided that diplomacy is no longer "in", so the rest of the world should not be trying to uphold principles towards the US that are not reciprocated.
“Time for the gloves to come off”. LoL. The EU has no technology. Zero. Nothing. That is why it spends all its time with bureaucracy and trying to fine everyone
Go ahead and “take your gloves off” LoL
Technology isn't everything.
There is an EU document out there from the pandemic period analysing strategic dependencies between the EU and other countries/trading blocs.
The US was dependent on the EU for over 260 products.
The EU was dependent on the US for 15.
Areas where the EU was ahead included Advanced manufacturing, IoT, security, advanced materials, photonics and active ingredients for the pharmaceutical industry.
Most of that happens to involve 'technology'.
“An EU document out there”. LoL
The EU is a leader in NONE of those examples you give. NONE. You really think the EU leads the US in advanced materials? What are you smoking. I’m surprised you did not list Spotify as your leading tech company
Sorry, but if it weren't an extortion racket they would publish actual regulations that tell companies like Apple precisely what compliance consists of. Do they do that? No, they don't, they just "find" that whatever these companies, with no concrete guidance at all on what is expected, did do "wasn't sufficient". Classic racket.
The regulations are clear. Others manage to comply.
Others? Oh good one, thought you were being serious for a moment. I know, the whole "gatekeeper" pretense makes this so ridiculous.
Your ignorance is showing.
If you're really not a fan of kangaroo courts, perhaps it is time to speak up about the disgrace that is your SC.
You're right, SCOTUS is a disgrace right now, but what does that have to do with the topic we are discussing? Why nothing at all it turns out. Nice try with the whataboutism.
I think it's time for the gloves to come off. honestly... this is a disgrace. How long are you guys across the pond (westwards, to be clear) watching this disaster unfolding?
Yes the US are very important for the whole world's economy, but there's limits to everything. We should stop this appeasing and just call out things what they are. The US government decided that diplomacy is no longer "in", so the rest of the world should not be trying to uphold principles towards the US that are not reciprocated.
“Time for the gloves to come off”. LoL. The EU has no technology. Zero. Nothing. That is why it spends all its time with bureaucracy and trying to fine everyone
Go ahead and “take your gloves off” LoL
Technology isn't everything.
There is an EU document out there from the pandemic period analysing strategic dependencies between the EU and other countries/trading blocs.
The US was dependent on the EU for over 260 products.
The EU was dependent on the US for 15.
Areas where the EU was ahead included Advanced manufacturing, IoT, security, advanced materials, photonics and active ingredients for the pharmaceutical industry.
Most of that happens to involve 'technology'.
“An EU document out there”. LoL
The EU is a leader in NONE of those examples you give. NONE. You really think the EU leads the US in advanced materials? What are you smoking. I’m surprised you did not list Spotify as your leading tech company
Well, I'm not going to go out of my way to locate it. I have better things to do. I read it during the pandemic. I've posted some of the things I remember from the document, which was an official EU document.
I think it's time for the gloves to come off. honestly... this is a disgrace. How long are you guys across the pond (westwards, to be clear) watching this disaster unfolding?
Yes the US are very important for the whole world's economy, but there's limits to everything. We should stop this appeasing and just call out things what they are. The US government decided that diplomacy is no longer "in", so the rest of the world should not be trying to uphold principles towards the US that are not reciprocated.
No - The gloves have come off, because the US is constantly ripped off and walked over by other countries. The EU imposes a 10% tariff on all incoming vehicles on the US, while the US only has a 2.5% tariff on EU made autos. A reciprocal tariff here is completely fair game. The EU plays this "we need competition" game, when they are the ones being anti-competitive. The EU claims to be anti-monopoly...unless is European.
Sorry, but if it weren't an extortion racket they would publish actual regulations that tell companies like Apple precisely what compliance consists of. Do they do that? No, they don't, they just "find" that whatever these companies, with no concrete guidance at all on what is expected, did do "wasn't sufficient". Classic racket.
The regulations are clear. Others manage to comply.
Others? Oh good one, thought you were being serious for a moment. I know, the whole "gatekeeper" pretense makes this so ridiculous.
Your ignorance is showing.
If you're really not a fan of kangaroo courts, perhaps it is time to speak up about the disgrace that is your SC.
You're right, SCOTUS is a disgrace right now, but what does that have to do with the topic we are discussing? Why nothing at all it turns out. Nice try with the whataboutism.
Call it what you want. The simple truth, demonstrated by all of your posts, is that you don't understand something so you are making out that it's wrong/bad. That puts you in the same bracket as your dumb as a fence post Commander in Chief.
The collapse of your economy can't come soon enough.
I think it's time for the gloves to come off. honestly... this is a disgrace. How long are you guys across the pond (westwards, to be clear) watching this disaster unfolding?
Yes the US are very important for the whole world's economy, but there's limits to everything. We should stop this appeasing and just call out things what they are. The US government decided that diplomacy is no longer "in", so the rest of the world should not be trying to uphold principles towards the US that are not reciprocated.
No - The gloves have come off, because the US is constantly ripped off and walked over by other countries. The EU imposes a 10% tariff on all incoming vehicles on the US, while the US only has a 2.5% tariff on EU made autos. A reciprocal tariff here is completely fair game. The EU plays this "we need competition" game, when they are the ones being anti-competitive. The EU claims to be anti-monopoly...unless is European.
You think the Tariff is why Europeans don't buy your cars. hahahahahaha
Appeal to what? A kangaroo court that always fines US companies guilty and EU companies innocent?
Do you really believe that the US news bubble that you live in would report on the EU Commission fining EU companies? Newsflash, they have done so many times, you are just ignorant of it.
US does not have any organization that can fine companies 10% of global turnover before any court appeals are done. If the EU is not a definition of a kangaroo court, I don't know what is
If the only thing you're considering is the available fines then you've got a weird-ass definition of a kangaroo court.
As per the article above this comments section, the EU may have lowered their fines so as not to draw too much attention from the White House. But it failed. They noticed.
Reuters is reporting that Whitehouse officials will begin unveiling trade deals within the next 2-3 weeks. You can bet that when they are negotiating with the EU, the kangaroo court system otherwise known as the DMA will be rewritten.
US has no organization that can start fining companies 10% of global annual revenue within 60 days without any due court proceedings. Currently the EU offers no ability for US companies to contest their viewpoints in an EU court of law before incurring massive fines that include up to 10% of global annual revenue of the company with 60 days warning. They can also levy up to 5% of average daily worldwide turnover without any court proceedings.
It’s like they are the judge, jury, and executioner without needing to follow any existing laws. And they use the act to zero in on U.S. companies while leaving EU and Chinese companies relatively unscathed.
I suspect the DMA framework will be rewritten during any trade negotiations.
If the EU does not flex on this, then I would not be surprised if the White House even threatens to put in place a similar entity in US solely for scrutinizing foreign companies doing business in U.S. and allow them to implement similar penalties on foriegn companies based on 10% of their global revenues within 60 days and without any formal court proceedings to see if any laws are violated.
Maybe the EU will see the unfairness in their DMA system then?
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Incidentally, this fine is well short of 10% of global turnover. It's barely 1% of revenue in the EU.
No need for investigations, findings or rulings! Just an executive order and a giant size sharpie pen!
There is an EU document out there from the pandemic period analysing strategic dependencies between the EU and other countries/trading blocs.
The US was dependent on the EU for over 260 products.
The EU was dependent on the US for 15.
Areas where the EU was ahead included Advanced manufacturing, IoT, security, advanced materials, photonics and active ingredients for the pharmaceutical industry.
Most of that happens to involve 'technology'.
Technology isn't everything.
However, of the examples I mentioned, many just 'happened' to involve technology.
That's why I used the verb 'happen'.
In response to the claim that the EU had 'Zero. Nothing.' in technology.
It clearly does, even though 'technology' isn't everything.
The EU is a leader in NONE of those examples you give. NONE. You really think the EU leads the US in advanced materials? What are you smoking. I’m surprised you did not list Spotify as your leading tech company
And I didn't even mention 'leader'. The document was on strategic dependencies.
As for 'believing', forgive me for siding with the EU when it comes to official documents.
I just did a very quick Google on photonics where it appears the EU is second only to China.
This explains why the EU sees photonics as a cornerstone technology;
https://ec.europa.eu/regional_policy/policy/communities-and-networks/s3-community-of-practice/partnership_industrial_mod_photonic_en#:~:text=These sectors are critical for,leader in research and innovation.
Sad.
The collapse of your economy can't come soon enough.
You think the Tariff is why Europeans don't buy your cars. hahahahahaha
Reuters is reporting that Whitehouse officials will begin unveiling trade deals within the next 2-3 weeks. You can bet that when they are negotiating with the EU, the kangaroo court system otherwise known as the DMA will be rewritten.
US has no organization that can start fining companies 10% of global annual revenue within 60 days without any due court proceedings. Currently the EU offers no ability for US companies to contest their viewpoints in an EU court of law before incurring massive fines that include up to 10% of global annual revenue of the company with 60 days warning. They can also levy up to 5% of average daily worldwide turnover without any court proceedings.
It’s like they are the judge, jury, and executioner without needing to follow any existing laws. And they use the act to zero in on U.S. companies while leaving EU and Chinese companies relatively unscathed.
I suspect the DMA framework will be rewritten during any trade negotiations.
If the EU does not flex on this, then I would not be surprised if the White House even threatens to put in place a similar entity in US solely for scrutinizing foreign companies doing business in U.S. and allow them to implement similar penalties on foriegn companies based on 10% of their global revenues within 60 days and without any formal court proceedings to see if any laws are violated.
Maybe the EU will see the unfairness in their DMA system then?