Apple's Eddy Cue is guessing that the iPhone will eventually be replaced by AI

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  • Reply 21 of 37
    Marvinmarvin Posts: 15,584moderator
    hmlongco said:
    People use phones to read, play games, watch videos, take photos and videos, and more. 

    Until there's a replacement for the screen, the iPhone will still be around.

    And for those looking forward to implants, may I direct you to S07E01 of Black Mirror?
    The screen replacement will be what the Apple Vision Pro becomes. At an advanced stage, AVP replaces everything.

    iPhone replaced cameras, GPS, iPod, phones, pagers, alarms etc.

    The wearable computer can replace desktops, laptops, tablets and smartphones. These separate products only exist due to screen sizes and cooling/power usage. This will have an OS that incorporates an advanced AI that learns about the user and the environment while blending digital content into the real world.

    The OS on the wearable will be able to create an entire photoreal virtual world and people in it. The standard 2D UI vs full spatial computing will look like how the old terminals looked before the GUI.
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  • Reply 22 of 37
    longfanglongfang Posts: 555member
    inkling said:
    Apple's Eddy Cue is guessing that the iPhone will eventually be replaced by AI


    Did Eddie Cue miss his medications that day? The only way AI will replace phones, including iPhones, is if we all quit talking to one another and spend our time conversing with AI bots. I doubt that will happen, and I wonder about the sanity much less good sense of those who claim otherwise.



    I’d argue we’re already more than halfway there. Messaging comprises an ever larger percentage of communication these days, while AI referencing will probably overtake seeking a consult with another human soon, that is, if it hasn’t done so already.
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  • Reply 23 of 37
    longfanglongfang Posts: 555member
    He does realize that the AI will have to run on some type of device? It isn’t just going to run on the air.
    Well it currently runs on the cloud, so…
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  • Reply 24 of 37
    SiTimesitime Posts: 95member
    Important to note that Eddy Cue wasn’t announcing anything. His statements during his testimony can basically be summarized as:

    “Don’t regulate us. We don’t want to be regulated. I mean… maybe Apple won’t be around in 100 years anyway, right? Maybe in 10 years AI will… do something. I don’t know. So like… why even bother regulating us then? Just wait 10… or 100 years.”

    This was not Eddy Cue or Apple announcing the future of the company and the company’s products. He just simply doesn’t want the regulators to regulate Apple. That’s all that was.
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  • Reply 25 of 37
    mattinozmattinoz Posts: 2,680member
    longfang said:
    He does realize that the AI will have to run on some type of device? It isn’t just going to run on the air.
    Well it currently runs on the cloud, so…
    Apple seems to be laying ground work for following their standard business model. Which is make tech approachable, trustworthy and personable so people buy the hardware dongle to that tech.

    They seem to want to get to a point where we have a Dragon with us being our mythical AI assistant that knows us well without overstepping the creepy boundaries. While cloud supported they want to push hard use the local processing power to improve the trust in the system. Even maybe pushing a personal cluster further so your watch/pods case might be running your tuned speech model while. Your slate/pad device runs image generation or other industry specific models. 
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  • Reply 26 of 37
    alandailalandail Posts: 789member
    Pretty clearly the iPhone and iPad will both be replaced by light weight AI powered XR glasses. The challenge is to get them to a usable weight and affordable price. Affordable enough people can have multiple pairs. Sunglasses, reading glasses, etc.

    Why do you need a separate phone if your glasses can display the apps?

    AI needs to see what you see and give you real time feedback. I used ChatGPT on the phone the other day to help me figure out how to do something. It was a pain to make sure it was always pointed where I was looking, at one point I had to set the phone down to proceed so the AI couldn't even see what I was doing anymore. Glasses solves all of that.

    Apple is absurdly behind in AI. They need to fix that before they get disrupted. 

    Multiple companies are working hard to disrupt them. Google, OpenAI, Meta, xAI, etc.


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  • Reply 27 of 37
    BB92647bb92647 Posts: 14member
    The human race won’t even make it to then.
    Ha.. who's laughing now Eddie!
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  • Reply 28 of 37
    bushman4bushman4 Posts: 873member
    Don’t Panic!!  The iPhone may not exist in the form and size as we know it today, but it will exist!
    AR Apple glasses won’t replace the iPhone and we’ll always need a base unit to ask GPT
    Its doubtful that chips will be implanted into people’s heads as the cost and danger would be prohibitive 
    Sit back and enjoy your iPhone without worrying if it will be here in 10 years
     with Apples revord of doing things it will be 20 years at least
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  • Reply 29 of 37
    mattinozmattinoz Posts: 2,680member
    alandail said:
    Pretty clearly the iPhone and iPad will both be replaced by light weight AI powered XR glasses. The challenge is to get them to a usable weight and affordable price. Affordable enough people can have multiple pairs. Sunglasses, reading glasses, etc.

    Why do you need a separate phone if your glasses can display the apps?

    AI needs to see what you see and give you real time feedback. I used ChatGPT on the phone the other day to help me figure out how to do something. It was a pain to make sure it was always pointed where I was looking, at one point I had to set the phone down to proceed so the AI couldn't even see what I was doing anymore. Glasses solves all of that.

    Apple is absurdly behind in AI. They need to fix that before they get disrupted. 

    Multiple companies are working hard to disrupt them. Google, OpenAI, Meta, xAI, etc.


    Not one of these brands has market trust, the disruption will come from a new player.
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  • Reply 30 of 37
    profprof Posts: 123member
    The whole Google thing is a complete disgrace for Apple and totally hurting their: "pay the premium for our stuff, we care about your privacy" story and reputation. Stop f*cking around and kill that irresponsible deal already. Apple is really lucky their "AI" shit never got off the ground in the first place because they're the ones seeing the least hurt when the current LLM jokes implode for real. We're already seeing the first clear indications of that: The search results are filling up with all the same LLM generated nonsense slob, ranking optimised to show up at the very top, fake information popping up everywhere, search engines starting to provide "AI" assistance to filter through all the shit but hallucinating equally nonsense answers while the "AI" utilities get not only fatter and slower but also yielding worse results because there're no actual quality training data so their in[g|c]esting their own "AI" generated "data". Meanwhile the big companies are trying so sell some hat tricks as reasoning capabilities which is one of the corner stones of actual intelligence. It's a shame Eddy is actually outing himself as the same utterly clueless person as all the other tech leaders, I thought they would actually be different at Apple.
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  • Reply 31 of 37
    alandailalandail Posts: 789member
    prof said:
    The whole Google thing is a complete disgrace for Apple and totally hurting their: "pay the premium for our stuff, we care about your privacy" story and reputation. Stop f*cking around and kill that irresponsible deal already. Apple is really lucky their "AI" shit never got off the ground in the first place because they're the ones seeing the least hurt when the current LLM jokes implode for real. We're already seeing the first clear indications of that: The search results are filling up with all the same LLM generated nonsense slob, ranking optimised to show up at the very top, fake information popping up everywhere, search engines starting to provide "AI" assistance to filter through all the shit but hallucinating equally nonsense answers while the "AI" utilities get not only fatter and slower but also yielding worse results because there're no actual quality training data so their in[g|c]esting their own "AI" generated "data". Meanwhile the big companies are trying so sell some hat tricks as reasoning capabilities which is one of the corner stones of actual intelligence. It's a shame Eddy is actually outing himself as the same utterly clueless person as all the other tech leaders, I thought they would actually be different at Apple.
    AI (outside of Apple's) is getting incredibly good.
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  • Reply 32 of 37
    red oakred oak Posts: 1,123member
    Mac has been around for 50 years and it is the strongest it has ever been.  I suspect the same thing with AI

    Your still going to need devices to use AI
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  • Reply 33 of 37
    alandailalandail Posts: 789member

    mattinoz said:
    alandail said:
    Pretty clearly the iPhone and iPad will both be replaced by light weight AI powered XR glasses. The challenge is to get them to a usable weight and affordable price. Affordable enough people can have multiple pairs. Sunglasses, reading glasses, etc.

    Why do you need a separate phone if your glasses can display the apps?

    AI needs to see what you see and give you real time feedback. I used ChatGPT on the phone the other day to help me figure out how to do something. It was a pain to make sure it was always pointed where I was looking, at one point I had to set the phone down to proceed so the AI couldn't even see what I was doing anymore. Glasses solves all of that.

    Apple is absurdly behind in AI. They need to fix that before they get disrupted. 

    Multiple companies are working hard to disrupt them. Google, OpenAI, Meta, xAI, etc.


    Not one of these brands has market trust, the disruption will come from a new player.
    Pretty disappointing Apple is so far behind. Apple was 40 years old when they disrupted the world with iPhone. Post Steve Apple has lost their way. 

    Two of the 4 I listed are new companies built for AI. Open AI is 9 years old and is building a massive training cluster. xAI is 2 years tomorrow and has the largest AI training cluster of 200k GPUs expanding to a million.

    Unlikely the disruption comes from a company who doesn't have a very large AI training cluster.
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  • Reply 34 of 37
    dewmedewme Posts: 6,097member
    The gist of the statements from Eddy Cue are that many things we see as "permanent" today will eventually be replaced. When, where, how, and in what form factor their replacements take shape and occur is mostly speculative at this time because uncertainty increases exponentially with time. Throwing out "AI" as a possible path to whatever comes to replace the final iPhone as we know it is simply pulling something out of thin air.

    As a business, Apple absolutely needs to plan for the future and accept that the iPhone will eventually be replaced. Ideally, Apple wants to be in a position to define and control when and how the transition and eventual death of the iPhone takes place. If Apple doesn't have a plan in place for the post-iPhone era, one of their many competitors or a disrupter yet to be identified will most certainty take the lead on defining the iPhone's replacement. 

    Is there anyone out their looking for a gently worn dedicated word processing machine? Mini computer? Sun workstation?
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  • Reply 35 of 37
    quakerotisquakerotis Posts: 172member
    DAalseth said:
    No thanks. 

    In such a situation, Whoever controls the Ai controls your life in that case. 

    I’ll do it the Neanderthal way and let everyone else hand the keys to a government or company. 
    This is what I tell people about AI Summaries. They are letting the AI (I.e. whomever programmed the AI) censor what they read. 
    Well. misinterpret…
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  • Reply 36 of 37
    dewmedewme Posts: 6,097member
    Marvin said:
    hmlongco said:
    People use phones to read, play games, watch videos, take photos and videos, and more. 

    Until there's a replacement for the screen, the iPhone will still be around.

    And for those looking forward to implants, may I direct you to S07E01 of Black Mirror?
    The screen replacement will be what the Apple Vision Pro becomes. At an advanced stage, AVP replaces everything.

    iPhone replaced cameras, GPS, iPod, phones, pagers, alarms etc.

    The wearable computer can replace desktops, laptops, tablets and smartphones. These separate products only exist due to screen sizes and cooling/power usage. This will have an OS that incorporates an advanced AI that learns about the user and the environment while blending digital content into the real world.

    The OS on the wearable will be able to create an entire photoreal virtual world and people in it. The standard 2D UI vs full spatial computing will look like how the old terminals looked before the GUI.
    My gut feel is that the current Apple Vision Pro is the "Lisa" of Apple's foray into VR/AR/XR. What Apple really needs is a "Macintosh" equivalent that will bring the core capabilities of the AVP into something that a much wider range of end users can figuratively wrap their head around, or vice versa taken literally.
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  • Reply 37 of 37
    teejay2012teejay2012 Posts: 434member
    Suppliers pay retailers a premium for product placement. Having something at eye level at Walmart costs the supplier more. Google pays Apple to make Google the default search, but it does not pay to exclude all others.  So why is the payment for being default even an issue? I doubt Apple will be forced to include every search engine on  current list of options in iOS but rather AI search engines like Perplexity will simply replace the current search options.


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