As history has proven, it is unwise to think we’ve got Trump and his moves all figured out. Pundits will declare this that snd the other, and end up either egg on their faces, such as the China meeting, temporary or no. Such as Apple not getting any exemptions, etc. we’ve seen time and again thst there is a lot of misinformation aimed at harming the presidents reputation. And it’s those producing such hateful rhetoric thst end up looking foolish with their Nostradamus cosplay. He’s even got jinping talking about “trade wars don’t benefit anyone,” despot China waging trade war on the USA for a long time already.
Now the president is making lucrative deals in Saudi. It seems a lot of people are confident in the current administration snd are putting their money where their mouth is.
The world was a stage set to see America get smaller and weaker. Now it’s a stage set to see American return to power and strength.
Tim Cook knows what’s up. He knows that you have to shake things up to break up entrenched ideas and patterns snd grt to where you want to go. It seems things are getting better sooner than anticipated and some of the anti-Trump news voices are just throwing hate - darts hoping something sticks. Kinda seems desperate.
Of course Trump just ripped on Cook in a speech he gave in Saudi Arabia. "The CEO of Nvidia is here, Tim Cook isn't. Loser."
Trump wants money and attention, and wants to punish anyone that doesn't give him both. It's really hard to say if America survives the next few years of dictatorship.
I suspect that Apple is really regretting not kicking both Truth Social and Twitter off the App Store.
Tim got played by the right wing goons and now he’s trying to keep them from doing irreparable harm to Apple’s long term future.
Don’t get me wrong, I like Tim as much as I can like any Billionaire. But it wasn’t the working class who rigged the system so that the only options were a disingenuous lady who couldn’t even say genocide was bad, and a geriatric baby who can’t remember what he said last sentence let alone last week.
Apple could have been pushing Biden for more reforms that would have benefitted society. They could have been working with their unions. Instead Apple like everyone else kept acting like America could keep eating its own tail and it would never get to the head.
And honestly now it’s too late for Tim to fight back in any meaningful capacity. The only thing that will give America a chance of avoiding complete collapse in the next three years is a heart attack, stroke or some other surprise illness. Or at least something that looks like one of those.
America’s debt to GDP is out of control and the politicians want to slash taxes for those who need it the least so they can make… more innovative… restaurant delivery apps?
The politicians are acting like they can squeeze the working class more to dig themselves out of the debt crisis that they’ve been fostering for decades.
America is being sacrificed on the alter of Reaganomics.
There are some nuggets of validity that are present in your comments, especially those regarding the national debt situation. I remember when the national debt and the growing deficit was a big stick that was used to pummel some administrations for supposedly spending too much on "big government." That was when we were talking single trillions of dollars of deficit. Turns out those were the penny pinching years because the national debt has ballooned to gigantic proportions ever since. The tax relief bill for the rich that's in the works will add more that 5 trillion to that debt and paying for it has to come from somewhere or someone, like us.
Tim Cook is in a tough position, but that's what he signed up for as CEO. I can only speak for myself, but all of the political and financial gyrations and chaos going on around Apple at the present time has seriously detracted from my interest in following what's going on with Apple right now. The new product predictions, whether to fold the iPhone or not, whether Siri will ever graduate from third grade, what's going to happen at WWDC, when Apple Intelligence will live up to its promises, what colors the new slim iPhones will come in, etc.. All of that stimulating techno-talk and what-ifs and Apple Silicon advancements have been pushed into the background, not just here at AppleInsider but across the full spectrum of Apple coverage. The SNR is way down, kind of like the radars at the Newark airport.
The politics and conjecture around how tariffs will impact Apple, if they actually do, or the Tim vs Donald thumb wrestling competitions taking place in the White House, etc., those are as boring as watching a rock that's sitting on the ground. Sure it's important for investors, and it's totally relevant, but as an Apple fan and technologist it's not what I want to read about daily or follow intently with heightened anticipation. It's like a random noise generator that runs incessantly with the volume slowly increasing over time. None of this is interesting, it's a recipe for delusion, confusion, and a gradual loss of interest. I don't like it, I'm sure the AI staff doesn't like it, investors don't like it, developers don't like it ... pretty much anyone who cares about innovation, progress, or building cool things doesn't like it.
As history has proven, it is unwise to think we’ve got Trump and his moves all figured out. Pundits will declare this that snd the other, and end up either egg on their faces, such as the China meeting, temporary or no. Such as Apple not getting any exemptions, etc. we’ve seen time and again thst there is a lot of misinformation aimed at harming the presidents reputation. And it’s those producing such hateful rhetoric thst end up looking foolish with their Nostradamus cosplay. He’s even got jinping talking about “trade wars don’t benefit anyone,” despot China waging trade war on the USA for a long time already.
Now the president is making lucrative deals in Saudi. It seems a lot of people are confident in the current administration snd are putting their money where their mouth is.
The world was a stage set to see America get smaller and weaker. Now it’s a stage set to see American return to power and strength.
Tim Cook knows what’s up. He knows that you have to shake things up to break up entrenched ideas and patterns snd grt to where you want to go. It seems things are getting better sooner than anticipated and some of the anti-Trump news voices are just throwing hate - darts hoping something sticks. Kinda seems desperate.
This is fact free hyperbole and wishful thinking. And that’s being really generous. It somewhat reminds me of Mohammed Saeed al-Sahhaf the Iraqi Minister of Information during the second war with Iraq. If you don’t remember his performances head over to YouTube and treat yourself. The video of him saying there are no troops in Baghdad while American tanks roll past him in the background is priceless.
I completely disagree. I realize it's more than fashionable here to trash Trump, the tariffs, etc. But the reality is that our trade policy has been a nightmare for decades, particularly with China. We had been operating in the 20th-century paradigm, both for China and the rest of world. For the former, the theory of the case was "free" trade (which was nothing of then kind) would enable economic growth in both countries, but that China would liberalize as its prosperity grew. In fact, China went exactly the opposite way. China has become more closed, more authoritarian, more corrupt and more aggressive. For the latter, our policies were stuck in the post-war mentality, when Europe was devastated and we were helping them recover.
What Trump is doing is resetting these relationships. His plan should now be obvious to anyone who doesn't have--pardon me---"derangement syndrome." That goal was to triangulate China into changing the way it does business...from tariffs, to non-tariff barriers, to theft of IP, etc. Secondarily, the goal was to improve terms with our other trading partners or "allies." As a supporter of the president, I have to admit that I didn't really understand the strategy of going after allies as well as foes (or frien-a-mies.). After all, why not just target China and go the opposite way with allies? Why not treat them in a more conciliatory way, but go hard on China?
However, as deals with India, the UK, Vietnam and others took shape, it dawned on me. Trump hit everyone hard (but China harder) and then proceeded to quickly work on deals with those friendlier nations. He was able to largely correct (or is in process of correcting) the trade problems we've had with our allies, and leave China--pardon me again---standing with its junk in its hand. It explains why they are now negotiating and willing to stand down. Their economy is getting hammered, millions are unemployed, factories are closing....and Trump is running around making trade deals with everyone but them.
I'll admit it's been somewhat chaotic. Wall Street hates tariffs. But we're already seeing the results. Debt growth has slowed dramatically. Inflation is nearing the 2% target. Prices of staples (such as eggs) continue to fall. Ditto on energy prices. Private payrolls are showing solid growth. Even last quarter's GDP reduction (-.3%) was misleading, as companies like Apple rushed to import goods before tariffs kicked in (this reduces GDP in the calculation).
You've railed against debt, tax cuts, Reagannomics, etc. Briefly:
Debt: We agree on the scope of the problem. I would think you'd support things like DOGE, energy development, tax cuts for economic stimulation, etc. I'd certainly think you'd realize both parties have historically been a nightmare on this issue, but that the Democrat party is currently far, far worse (just take 2021-24 alone).
Tax cuts: I don't know where this notion of "squeezing the working class" and "tax cuts for the rich" comes from, other than the Democrat party propagandists and their media allies. The Trump tax cuts benefited the lower and working classes more than the wealthy. That is simply a fact. Another fact is that Trump and the GOP are considering actually raising taxes on the wealthy in the planned extension (reconciliation) package.
Reagannomics: I'm not sure I see the connection. I also have my doubts that you have a full understanding of what "Reaganomics" even was/is. You've no doubt been told (as nearly everyone has) that it was cutting taxes on the wealthy, slashing welfare and healthcare, and giving "tax breaks" to evil corporations and the mega rich. Sound familiar? I wonder why?
This is all nonsense. What deals exactly ("with everyone") do you think have been made? Nothing has been "corrected", he's just backed down from ridiculous tariffs to less-ridiculous tariffs, delayed, or made exemptions, all without any gains, repeatedly. The first major pause came when China and Japan started unloading US Treasury bonds, which threatened to destabilize everything further. China reduced their tariffs because Trump did first, but they're still higher than before all this chaos started. How is that a win?
Trump has demonstrated time and time again that he has no functional understanding of how global trade works, and his advisors stumble over their own dicks trying to explain an incoherent policy often in conflicting ways between them on the same day.
"The Trump tax cuts benefited the lower and working classes more than the wealthy. That is simply a fact." — Shockingly, that's not even remotely true.
DOGE is charged with gutting the government, not to reduce "waste and fraud" but to fund extending the tax breaks for the wealthy, and they've been wildly unsuccessful at it. Spending isn't down. Costs aren't coming down, despite what he keeps saying. All signs point to scarcity, inflation, and possibly recession due to his trade policies. They're undoing Biden's efforts towards developing green energy, slashing social programs, medical programs and research, education. Removing environmental and regulatory safeguards that keep us safe and healthy, while increasing the costs of medical care and actively trying to destroy Medicare/Medicaid. The end results of these policies are going to crush the working class of this country.
But sure, keep telling yourself that he's playing some grand 4D chess game and you're one of the lucky few people to "get it".
Tim could invest in some of Donald’s Stablecoin or perhaps pay for a new gold paint job on his new $400 million flying palace. This might make him happy and amenable.
What Trump is doing is resetting these relationships. His plan should now be obvious to anyone who doesn't have--pardon me---"derangement syndrome." That goal was to triangulate China into changing the way it does business...from tariffs, to non-tariff barriers, to theft of IP, etc.
I tried to make Image Playground create an image of a geriatric American triangulating a dragon from a Qatari B747-8. It gave up. Pretty smart AI.
I suspect that Apple is really regretting not kicking both Truth Social and Twitter off the App Store.
Tim got played by the right wing goons and now he’s trying to keep them from doing irreparable harm to Apple’s long term future.
Don’t get me wrong, I like Tim as much as I can like any Billionaire. But it wasn’t the working class who rigged the system so that the only options were a disingenuous lady who couldn’t even say genocide was bad, and a geriatric baby who can’t remember what he said last sentence let alone last week.
Apple could have been pushing Biden for more reforms that would have benefitted society. They could have been working with their unions. Instead Apple like everyone else kept acting like America could keep eating its own tail and it would never get to the head.
And honestly now it’s too late for Tim to fight back in any meaningful capacity. The only thing that will give America a chance of avoiding complete collapse in the next three years is a heart attack, stroke or some other surprise illness. Or at least something that looks like one of those.
America’s debt to GDP is out of control and the politicians want to slash taxes for those who need it the least so they can make… more innovative… restaurant delivery apps?
The politicians are acting like they can squeeze the working class more to dig themselves out of the debt crisis that they’ve been fostering for decades.
America is being sacrificed on the alter of Reaganomics.
I completely disagree. I realize it's more than fashionable here to trash Trump, the tariffs, etc. But the reality is that our trade policy has been a nightmare for decades, particularly with China. We had been operating in the 20th-century paradigm, both for China and the rest of world. For the former, the theory of the case was "free" trade (which was nothing of then kind) would enable economic growth in both countries, but that China would liberalize as its prosperity grew. In fact, China went exactly the opposite way. China has become more closed, more authoritarian, more corrupt and more aggressive. For the latter, our policies were stuck in the post-war mentality, when Europe was devastated and we were helping them recover.
What Trump is doing is resetting these relationships. His plan should now be obvious to anyone who doesn't have--pardon me---"derangement syndrome." That goal was to triangulate China into changing the way it does business...from tariffs, to non-tariff barriers, to theft of IP, etc. Secondarily, the goal was to improve terms with our other trading partners or "allies." As a supporter of the president, I have to admit that I didn't really understand the strategy of going after allies as well as foes (or frien-a-mies.). After all, why not just target China and go the opposite way with allies? Why not treat them in a more conciliatory way, but go hard on China?
However, as deals with India, the UK, Vietnam and others took shape, it dawned on me. Trump hit everyone hard (but China harder) and then proceeded to quickly work on deals with those friendlier nations. He was able to largely correct (or is in process of correcting) the trade problems we've had with our allies, and leave China--pardon me again---standing with its junk in its hand. It explains why they are now negotiating and willing to stand down. Their economy is getting hammered, millions are unemployed, factories are closing....and Trump is running around making trade deals with everyone but them.
I'll admit it's been somewhat chaotic. Wall Street hates tariffs. But we're already seeing the results. Debt growth has slowed dramatically. Inflation is nearing the 2% target. Prices of staples (such as eggs) continue to fall. Ditto on energy prices. Private payrolls are showing solid growth. Even last quarter's GDP reduction (-.3%) was misleading, as companies like Apple rushed to import goods before tariffs kicked in (this reduces GDP in the calculation).
You've railed against debt, tax cuts, Reagannomics, etc. Briefly:
Debt: We agree on the scope of the problem. I would think you'd support things like DOGE, energy development, tax cuts for economic stimulation, etc. I'd certainly think you'd realize both parties have historically been a nightmare on this issue, but that the Democrat party is currently far, far worse (just take 2021-24 alone).
Tax cuts: I don't know where this notion of "squeezing the working class" and "tax cuts for the rich" comes from, other than the Democrat party propagandists and their media allies. The Trump tax cuts benefited the lower and working classes more than the wealthy. That is simply a fact. Another fact is that Trump and the GOP are considering actually raising taxes on the wealthy in the planned extension (reconciliation) package.
Reagannomics: I'm not sure I see the connection. I also have my doubts that you have a full understanding of what "Reaganomics" even was/is. You've no doubt been told (as nearly everyone has) that it was cutting taxes on the wealthy, slashing welfare and healthcare, and giving "tax breaks" to evil corporations and the mega rich. Sound familiar? I wonder why?
This is nonsense. Tariffs remain higher than January, prices are higher than January, and it’s entirely self-inflicted. Tariffs are 100% a tax, paid by consumers to the US-based importers who pay them first. The Trump admin can’t even make up its mind if the tariffs are designed to cause pain and bring domestic manufacturing investment, or temporary negotiating tactics. It can’t be both. So they go back and forth, speaking out of both sides of its mouth on this. Meanwhile this is pure chaos that damages our portfolios and causes great unease in the markets, for reasons which should be obvious to you.
If you don’t know where the tax cuts for for the wealthy are, what can I say, you haven’t been paying attention. He did it last time and will try it again. The middle class continues to get squeezed as our costs for things like healthcare go up and up with no relief in sight. GOP cuts so-called “entitlements”. GOP votes against things insulin caps and other regulation designed to help the working class despite the loss of additional profit to wealthy corporations. Entirely departments of services are being cut by Musk, claiming they’ll be pushed down to the states, and yet our federal income tax remains the same, while we get less for it. States will be forced to cut services or charge more income tax. This is very standard and well understood stuff. The wealthy top percentage have added billions more to their hoarded wealth while minimum wage and general wages have remained stagnant. Your ignorance is bliss, I guess.
Oh, please stop parroting the liberal nonsense. Get your head out of the propaganda and look at the real world.
Do you think every other country is levying tariffs on US products in order to tax their own citizens? Yes, Canada was trying to "tax" their citizens 250% when buying US dairy products. /s The reality is that tariffs affect the seller country. Often/Mostly it is the producers who absorbs the costs of the tariffs. Do you need real world proof? When Trump enacted the tariffs against China during his first administration, did you see that enormous spike in prices for products from China? No? Because prices did not change for the US consumer. It was the Chinese companies that absorbed the tariff costs into their cost of doing business; this is what usually happens when tariffs are levied. So, technically, yes, the US consumer "paid" the tariff, but since the product price remained the same (this is what liberals conveniently forget to mention), the net effect was that the Chinese companies made less money and were the ones who suffered. Those tariffs were so bad for the US economy and consumers that Biden kept all of those tariffs in place. Oh, the horror!
Despite your assertion that we are "getting less" for the taxes that we pay, eliminating wasteful spending is reducing the amount of debt that the US is accumulating. It is hard to do math, but since our $37 trillion debt is so enormous, those millions and billions in savings do get lost as decimal points in the debt and interest payments. Nevertheless, it does reduce the current debt and more importantly reduce the accumulation of future debt.
Getting back to the topic at hand, the author of this article/opinion piece has chosen to editorialize rather than just report the news. If you are too weak to deal with the "tariff chaos", stop watching the news. Regardless of how you feel about it, they are succeeding by motivating companies to invest in the US. It is such a horrible problem to have companies invest $10 trillion into the US economy. What is Saudia Arabia thinking of investing another $1 trillion here as well?!?! /s Apple has an enormous profit margin, so you anti-capitalists out there shouldn't lose any sleep. Apple will be just fine. If Apple chooses to increase its prices, it is doing so because it is convenient. It can also decide to move more manufacturing to the US, just like it has been moving manufacturing from China to India. I'm not saying it is easy or cheap, but having more manufacturing in the US is beneficial to all of us.
Hopefully, I have been respectful in my discourse.
Mr Six Bankruptcies is now making decisions for one of the most successful business in history. Great.
You and I may not agree with it, but there is nothing wrong with using the system to your advantage. (I'm sure you never speed and pay every dollar in taxes that you are supposed to since you are a very upstanding citizen.) I'm not saying this is how I would conduct my own affairs, but it was legal, and he used the system.
Obviously, banks have no problems with it because they keep lending him money and are happy to do so.
P.S. If only the US government were run like a business.....
I suspect that Apple is really regretting not kicking both Truth Social and Twitter off the App Store.
Tim got played by the right wing goons and now he’s trying to keep them from doing irreparable harm to Apple’s long term future.
Don’t get me wrong, I like Tim as much as I can like any Billionaire. But it wasn’t the working class who rigged the system so that the only options were a disingenuous lady who couldn’t even say genocide was bad, and a geriatric baby who can’t remember what he said last sentence let alone last week.
Apple could have been pushing Biden for more reforms that would have benefitted society. They could have been working with their unions. Instead Apple like everyone else kept acting like America could keep eating its own tail and it would never get to the head.
And honestly now it’s too late for Tim to fight back in any meaningful capacity. The only thing that will give America a chance of avoiding complete collapse in the next three years is a heart attack, stroke or some other surprise illness. Or at least something that looks like one of those.
America’s debt to GDP is out of control and the politicians want to slash taxes for those who need it the least so they can make… more innovative… restaurant delivery apps?
The politicians are acting like they can squeeze the working class more to dig themselves out of the debt crisis that they’ve been fostering for decades.
America is being sacrificed on the alter of Reaganomics.
I completely disagree. I realize it's more than fashionable here to trash Trump, the tariffs, etc. But the reality is that our trade policy has been a nightmare for decades, particularly with China. We had been operating in the 20th-century paradigm, both for China and the rest of world. For the former, the theory of the case was "free" trade (which was nothing of then kind) would enable economic growth in both countries, but that China would liberalize as its prosperity grew. In fact, China went exactly the opposite way. China has become more closed, more authoritarian, more corrupt and more aggressive. For the latter, our policies were stuck in the post-war mentality, when Europe was devastated and we were helping them recover.
What Trump is doing is resetting these relationships. His plan should now be obvious to anyone who doesn't have--pardon me---"derangement syndrome." That goal was to triangulate China into changing the way it does business...from tariffs, to non-tariff barriers, to theft of IP, etc. Secondarily, the goal was to improve terms with our other trading partners or "allies." As a supporter of the president, I have to admit that I didn't really understand the strategy of going after allies as well as foes (or frien-a-mies.). After all, why not just target China and go the opposite way with allies? Why not treat them in a more conciliatory way, but go hard on China?
However, as deals with India, the UK, Vietnam and others took shape, it dawned on me. Trump hit everyone hard (but China harder) and then proceeded to quickly work on deals with those friendlier nations. He was able to largely correct (or is in process of correcting) the trade problems we've had with our allies, and leave China--pardon me again---standing with its junk in its hand. It explains why they are now negotiating and willing to stand down. Their economy is getting hammered, millions are unemployed, factories are closing....and Trump is running around making trade deals with everyone but them.
I'll admit it's been somewhat chaotic. Wall Street hates tariffs. But we're already seeing the results. Debt growth has slowed dramatically. Inflation is nearing the 2% target. Prices of staples (such as eggs) continue to fall. Ditto on energy prices. Private payrolls are showing solid growth. Even last quarter's GDP reduction (-.3%) was misleading, as companies like Apple rushed to import goods before tariffs kicked in (this reduces GDP in the calculation).
You've railed against debt, tax cuts, Reagannomics, etc. Briefly:
Debt: We agree on the scope of the problem. I would think you'd support things like DOGE, energy development, tax cuts for economic stimulation, etc. I'd certainly think you'd realize both parties have historically been a nightmare on this issue, but that the Democrat party is currently far, far worse (just take 2021-24 alone).
Tax cuts: I don't know where this notion of "squeezing the working class" and "tax cuts for the rich" comes from, other than the Democrat party propagandists and their media allies. The Trump tax cuts benefited the lower and working classes more than the wealthy. That is simply a fact. Another fact is that Trump and the GOP are considering actually raising taxes on the wealthy in the planned extension (reconciliation) package.
Reagannomics: I'm not sure I see the connection. I also have my doubts that you have a full understanding of what "Reaganomics" even was/is. You've no doubt been told (as nearly everyone has) that it was cutting taxes on the wealthy, slashing welfare and healthcare, and giving "tax breaks" to evil corporations and the mega rich. Sound familiar? I wonder why?
This is nonsense. Tariffs remain higher than January, prices are higher than January, and it’s entirely self-inflicted. Tariffs are 100% a tax, paid by consumers to the US-based importers who pay them first. The Trump admin can’t even make up its mind if the tariffs are designed to cause pain and bring domestic manufacturing investment, or temporary negotiating tactics. It can’t be both. So they go back and forth, speaking out of both sides of its mouth on this. Meanwhile this is pure chaos that damages our portfolios and causes great unease in the markets, for reasons which should be obvious to you.
If you don’t know where the tax cuts for for the wealthy are, what can I say, you haven’t been paying attention. He did it last time and will try it again. The middle class continues to get squeezed as our costs for things like healthcare go up and up with no relief in sight. GOP cuts so-called “entitlements”. GOP votes against things insulin caps and other regulation designed to help the working class despite the loss of additional profit to wealthy corporations. Entirely departments of services are being cut by Musk, claiming they’ll be pushed down to the states, and yet our federal income tax remains the same, while we get less for it. States will be forced to cut services or charge more income tax. This is very standard and well understood stuff. The wealthy top percentage have added billions more to their hoarded wealth while minimum wage and general wages have remained stagnant. Your ignorance is bliss, I guess.
Oh, please stop parroting the liberal nonsense. Get your head out of the propaganda and look at the real world.
Do you think every other country is levying tariffs on US products in order to tax their own citizens? Yes, Canada was trying to "tax" their citizens 250% when buying US dairy products. /s The reality is that tariffs affect the seller country. Often/Mostly it is the producers who absorbs the costs of the tariffs. Do you need real world proof? When Trump enacted the tariffs against China during his first administration, did you see that enormous spike in prices for products from China? No? Because prices did not change for the US consumer. It was the Chinese companies that absorbed the tariff costs into their cost of doing business; this is what usually happens when tariffs are levied. So, technically, yes, the US consumer "paid" the tariff, but since the product price remained the same (this is what liberals conveniently forget to mention), the net effect was that the Chinese companies made less money and were the ones who suffered. Those tariffs were so bad for the US economy and consumers that Biden kept all of those tariffs in place. Oh, the horror!
Despite your assertion that we are "getting less" for the taxes that we pay, eliminating wasteful spending is reducing the amount of debt that the US is accumulating. It is hard to do math, but since our $37 trillion debt is so enormous, those millions and billions in savings do get lost as decimal points in the debt and interest payments. Nevertheless, it does reduce the current debt and more importantly reduce the accumulation of future debt.
Getting back to the topic at hand, the author of this article/opinion piece has chosen to editorialize rather than just report the news. If you are too weak to deal with the "tariff chaos", stop watching the news. Regardless of how you feel about it, they are succeeding by motivating companies to invest in the US. It is such a horrible problem to have companies invest $10 trillion into the US economy. What is Saudia Arabia thinking of investing another $1 trillion here as well?!?! /s Apple has an enormous profit margin, so you anti-capitalists out there shouldn't lose any sleep. Apple will be just fine. If Apple chooses to increase its prices, it is doing so because it is convenient. It can also decide to move more manufacturing to the US, just like it has been moving manufacturing from China to India. I'm not saying it is easy or cheap, but having more manufacturing in the US is beneficial to all of us.
Hopefully, I have been respectful in my discourse.
Respectful, sure. But you're right about one thing, everyone needs to get their head out of the propaganda and see reality. There's no question: Trump's Tariff policy is destroying America's economy, creating scarcity, and causing mass job loss. I mean the proof is in the pudding, why else would our economy shrink for the first time since COVID? Oh, I forgot, we're still blaming Biden.
“There's no question: Trump's Tariff policy is destroying America's economy, creating scarcity, and causing mass job loss. I mean the proof is in the pudding, why else would our economy shrink for the first time since COVID?”
There is no evidence of any of this. I have yet to see any actual scarcity and haven’t seen any news reports of scarcity. The last jobs report showed more jobs created than expected, the current inflation report showed the lowest inflation since 2021. The GDP shrank because companies increased imports not because the economy was slowing down so really an anomaly not reality. Finally the last time the economy shrank was in the two consecutive quarters of the spring and summer of 2022 (so during the Biden recession, which wasn’t a recession because that would make Biden look bad), which was well after COVID which absolutely didn’t have any effect after 2021 (and really not after 2020).
“There's no question: Trump's Tariff policy is destroying America's economy, creating scarcity, and causing mass job loss. I mean the proof is in the pudding, why else would our economy shrink for the first time since COVID?”
There is no evidence of any of this. I have yet to see any actual scarcity and haven’t seen any news reports of scarcity. The last jobs report showed more jobs created than expected, the current inflation report showed the lowest inflation since 2021. The GDP shrank because companies increased imports not because the economy was slowing down so really an anomaly not reality. Finally the last time the economy shrank was in the two consecutive quarters of the spring and summer of 2022 (so during the Biden recession, which wasn’t a recession because that would make Biden look bad), which was well after COVID which absolutely didn’t have any effect after 2021 (and really not after 2020).
“There's no question: Trump's Tariff policy is destroying America's economy, creating scarcity, and causing mass job loss. I mean the proof is in the pudding, why else would our economy shrink for the first time since COVID?”
There is no evidence of any of this. I have yet to see any actual scarcity and haven’t seen any news reports of scarcity. The last jobs report showed more jobs created than expected, the current inflation report showed the lowest inflation since 2021. The GDP shrank because companies increased imports not because the economy was slowing down so really an anomaly not reality. Finally the last time the economy shrank was in the two consecutive quarters of the spring and summer of 2022 (so during the Biden recession, which wasn’t a recession because that would make Biden look bad), which was well after COVID which absolutely didn’t have any effect after 2021 (and really not after 2020).
Perhaps step away from the Fox bubble.
Thanks for the advice, however, I don’t watch Fox occasionally I do watch CNN or MSNBC but in general I don’t watch news.
Given that you presented no counter evidence it is pretty clear you know that what I stated is accurate,
“There's no question: Trump's Tariff policy is destroying America's economy, creating scarcity, and causing mass job loss. I mean the proof is in the pudding, why else would our economy shrink for the first time since COVID?”
There is no evidence of any of this. I have yet to see any actual scarcity and haven’t seen any news reports of scarcity. The last jobs report showed more jobs created than expected, the current inflation report showed the lowest inflation since 2021. The GDP shrank because companies increased imports not because the economy was slowing down so really an anomaly not reality. Finally the last time the economy shrank was in the two consecutive quarters of the spring and summer of 2022 (so during the Biden recession, which wasn’t a recession because that would make Biden look bad), which was well after COVID which absolutely didn’t have any effect after 2021 (and really not after 2020).
Perhaps step away from the Fox bubble.
Thanks for the advice, however, I don’t watch Fox occasionally I do watch CNN or MSNBC but in general I don’t watch news.
Given that you presented no counter evidence it is pretty clear you know that what I stated is accurate,
A lack of counter evidence isn't anything except the user's unwillingness to engage with someone looking for an argument. You yourself said you don't watch the news, so why would anyone engage with someone that will likely make uninformed arguments like the one you've already presented.
This is a forum, not a debate platform, not a competition. There's no need to challenge each other in this way. Discuss or don't. You've shared your opinion, there's nothing more to say.
“There's no question: Trump's Tariff policy is destroying America's economy, creating scarcity, and causing mass job loss. I mean the proof is in the pudding, why else would our economy shrink for the first time since COVID?”
There is no evidence of any of this. I have yet to see any actual scarcity and haven’t seen any news reports of scarcity. The last jobs report showed more jobs created than expected, the current inflation report showed the lowest inflation since 2021. The GDP shrank because companies increased imports not because the economy was slowing down so really an anomaly not reality. Finally the last time the economy shrank was in the two consecutive quarters of the spring and summer of 2022 (so during the Biden recession, which wasn’t a recession because that would make Biden look bad), which was well after COVID which absolutely didn’t have any effect after 2021 (and really not after 2020).
Perhaps step away from the Fox bubble.
Thanks for the advice, however, I don’t watch Fox occasionally I do watch CNN or MSNBC but in general I don’t watch news.
Given that you presented no counter evidence it is pretty clear you know that what I stated is accurate,
A lack of counter evidence isn't anything except the user's unwillingness to engage with someone looking for an argument. You yourself said you don't watch the news, so why would anyone engage with someone that will likely make uninformed arguments like the one you've already presented.
This is a forum, not a debate platform, not a competition. There's no need to challenge each other in this way. Discuss or don't. You've shared your opinion, there's nothing more to say.
I’m not looking for an argument, but why would anyone reply to my post with a non sequitur unless they are the ones looking for an argument.
If someone thinks I am making an uninformed argument then why wouldn’t they try to inform? I just posted facts that come from the original sources.
“There's no question: Trump's Tariff policy is destroying America's economy, creating scarcity, and causing mass job loss. I mean the proof is in the pudding, why else would our economy shrink for the first time since COVID?”
There is no evidence of any of this. I have yet to see any actual scarcity and haven’t seen any news reports of scarcity. The last jobs report showed more jobs created than expected, the current inflation report showed the lowest inflation since 2021. The GDP shrank because companies increased imports not because the economy was slowing down so really an anomaly not reality. Finally the last time the economy shrank was in the two consecutive quarters of the spring and summer of 2022 (so during the Biden recession, which wasn’t a recession because that would make Biden look bad), which was well after COVID which absolutely didn’t have any effect after 2021 (and really not after 2020).
Perhaps step away from the Fox bubble.
Thanks for the advice, however, I don’t watch Fox occasionally I do watch CNN or MSNBC but in general I don’t watch news.
Given that you presented no counter evidence it is pretty clear you know that what I stated is accurate,
A lack of counter evidence isn't anything except the user's unwillingness to engage with someone looking for an argument. You yourself said you don't watch the news, so why would anyone engage with someone that will likely make uninformed arguments like the one you've already presented.
This is a forum, not a debate platform, not a competition. There's no need to challenge each other in this way. Discuss or don't. You've shared your opinion, there's nothing more to say.
How was my argument uninformed? I just posted facts about the current state of the economy.
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Trump wants money and attention, and wants to punish anyone that doesn't give him both. It's really hard to say if America survives the next few years of dictatorship.
Tim Cook is in a tough position, but that's what he signed up for as CEO. I can only speak for myself, but all of the political and financial gyrations and chaos going on around Apple at the present time has seriously detracted from my interest in following what's going on with Apple right now. The new product predictions, whether to fold the iPhone or not, whether Siri will ever graduate from third grade, what's going to happen at WWDC, when Apple Intelligence will live up to its promises, what colors the new slim iPhones will come in, etc.. All of that stimulating techno-talk and what-ifs and Apple Silicon advancements have been pushed into the background, not just here at AppleInsider but across the full spectrum of Apple coverage. The SNR is way down, kind of like the radars at the Newark airport.
The politics and conjecture around how tariffs will impact Apple, if they actually do, or the Tim vs Donald thumb wrestling competitions taking place in the White House, etc., those are as boring as watching a rock that's sitting on the ground. Sure it's important for investors, and it's totally relevant, but as an Apple fan and technologist it's not what I want to read about daily or follow intently with heightened anticipation. It's like a random noise generator that runs incessantly with the volume slowly increasing over time. None of this is interesting, it's a recipe for delusion, confusion, and a gradual loss of interest. I don't like it, I'm sure the AI staff doesn't like it, investors don't like it, developers don't like it ... pretty much anyone who cares about innovation, progress, or building cool things doesn't like it.
Trump has demonstrated time and time again that he has no functional understanding of how global trade works, and his advisors stumble over their own dicks trying to explain an incoherent policy often in conflicting ways between them on the same day.
"The Trump tax cuts benefited the lower and working classes more than the wealthy. That is simply a fact." — Shockingly, that's not even remotely true.
DOGE is charged with gutting the government, not to reduce "waste and fraud" but to fund extending the tax breaks for the wealthy, and they've been wildly unsuccessful at it. Spending isn't down. Costs aren't coming down, despite what he keeps saying. All signs point to scarcity, inflation, and possibly recession due to his trade policies. They're undoing Biden's efforts towards developing green energy, slashing social programs, medical programs and research, education. Removing environmental and regulatory safeguards that keep us safe and healthy, while increasing the costs of medical care and actively trying to destroy Medicare/Medicaid. The end results of these policies are going to crush the working class of this country.
But sure, keep telling yourself that he's playing some grand 4D chess game and you're one of the lucky few people to "get it".
I tried to make Image Playground create an image of a geriatric American triangulating a dragon from a Qatari B747-8. It gave up. Pretty smart AI.
Do you think every other country is levying tariffs on US products in order to tax their own citizens? Yes, Canada was trying to "tax" their citizens 250% when buying US dairy products. /s The reality is that tariffs affect the seller country. Often/Mostly it is the producers who absorbs the costs of the tariffs. Do you need real world proof? When Trump enacted the tariffs against China during his first administration, did you see that enormous spike in prices for products from China? No? Because prices did not change for the US consumer. It was the Chinese companies that absorbed the tariff costs into their cost of doing business; this is what usually happens when tariffs are levied. So, technically, yes, the US consumer "paid" the tariff, but since the product price remained the same (this is what liberals conveniently forget to mention), the net effect was that the Chinese companies made less money and were the ones who suffered. Those tariffs were so bad for the US economy and consumers that Biden kept all of those tariffs in place. Oh, the horror!
The tax cuts from Trump's first administration largely benefited people in the working class. https://waysandmeans.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2025/02/Correcting-the-Record-Trump-Tax-Cuts-Went-to-Wealthy.pdf There was also a recent study that was published in the last six months (earlier this year?) that showed largely the same thing.
Despite your assertion that we are "getting less" for the taxes that we pay, eliminating wasteful spending is reducing the amount of debt that the US is accumulating. It is hard to do math, but since our $37 trillion debt is so enormous, those millions and billions in savings do get lost as decimal points in the debt and interest payments. Nevertheless, it does reduce the current debt and more importantly reduce the accumulation of future debt.
Getting back to the topic at hand, the author of this article/opinion piece has chosen to editorialize rather than just report the news. If you are too weak to deal with the "tariff chaos", stop watching the news. Regardless of how you feel about it, they are succeeding by motivating companies to invest in the US. It is such a horrible problem to have companies invest $10 trillion into the US economy. What is Saudia Arabia thinking of investing another $1 trillion here as well?!?! /s Apple has an enormous profit margin, so you anti-capitalists out there shouldn't lose any sleep. Apple will be just fine. If Apple chooses to increase its prices, it is doing so because it is convenient. It can also decide to move more manufacturing to the US, just like it has been moving manufacturing from China to India. I'm not saying it is easy or cheap, but having more manufacturing in the US is beneficial to all of us.
Hopefully, I have been respectful in my discourse.
Tim cook - the supplicant
Believe what you like though.
There is no evidence of any of this. I have yet to see any actual scarcity and haven’t seen any news reports of scarcity. The last jobs report showed more jobs created than expected, the current inflation report showed the lowest inflation since 2021. The GDP shrank because companies increased imports not because the economy was slowing down so really an anomaly not reality. Finally the last time the economy shrank was in the two consecutive quarters of the spring and summer of 2022 (so during the Biden recession, which wasn’t a recession because that would make Biden look bad), which was well after COVID which absolutely didn’t have any effect after 2021 (and really not after 2020).
Given that you presented no counter evidence it is pretty clear you know that what I stated is accurate,
This is a forum, not a debate platform, not a competition. There's no need to challenge each other in this way. Discuss or don't. You've shared your opinion, there's nothing more to say.
If someone thinks I am making an uninformed argument then why wouldn’t they try to inform? I just posted facts that come from the original sources.