OpenAI's $6.5B bet on Jony Ive could redefine how people interact with technology

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  • Reply 21 of 28
    Tech has plateaued and I don’t have much interest in AI  yet unless it can be meaningful to the planet. I still read books, work in the physical world, cook, garden, exercise outdoors, engage with humans and animals…
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  • Reply 22 of 28
    AppleZuluapplezulu Posts: 2,531member
    I’m still not on the “Apple is behind” train. AI is truly a half-baked hot mess at this point. If Apple is taking the time to make AI into something actually useful and actually reliable, while creating boundaries to protect user privacy and respect intellectual property, I’ll wait. 

    If Apple brings that model of AI out, the rest will suddenly be scrambling to catch up. 

    I don’t know what Ive is up to, but if he’s building a sleek device around an insecure, unreliable AI model, he’s missed the boat. Ive’s attractive designs were a very important part of Apple’s success, but the stuff under the hood was even more important. A sleek chassis wrapped around a poorly designed engine won’t repeat the success of Apple’s model. 
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  • Reply 23 of 28
    emoelleremoeller Posts: 602member
    First off, what is the device:
    It is a "contextual device", providing continuous information about the user, their environment, their actions, and their situations and discussions - all fed in real time such that at any moment should the user request OpenAI assistance it instantly has all of the required inputs needed to provide the most accurate rssponse. 

    The BIG issue of course is privacy,, which is why this hasn't yet been done. 

    If done correctly it will follow Apple's "on device" encryptions and security protocols on steroids and utilize any/all existing output sources (phone and computer screens or glasses, ear buds, and AR/VR) for output.

    Second:
    AI ramp is analogous to the 1990's internet - for investors both will end in a bubble with a few really BIG winners and a LOT of spectacular failures.  But in the end the technology will be transformative in terms of moving human efficiency through shared, high quality, instantaneous, and contextual information.
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  • Reply 24 of 28
    sbdudesbdude Posts: 311member
    I'm sure the device will be so thin as to disappear on your person, never to be seen again. Probably it's most useful feature.
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  • Reply 25 of 28
    tiredskillstiredskills Posts: 138member
    I find ChatGPT extremely useful. Right now I'm using it to understand the design and production testing of free space laser communications terminals used to communicate between LEO and GEO satellites, aircraft and ground stations. About two weeks ago I was having it help me troubleshoot an alignment/calibration issue I have with the optical module in a Fujitsu ScanSnap S1500M scanner. I've used it to analyze results for PCB layouts that I have simulated in HFSS. I think the first time I started using it was to help decode proofs written in shorthand Einstein notation (summation convention) used in relativity to do calculations quickly for high level tensors that I needed to understand in a book I had on piezoelectronics. So I find it very helpful.
    Did you ask ChatGPT to make up an assortment of impressive sounding uses for ChatGPT?
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  • Reply 26 of 28
    eightzeroeightzero Posts: 3,208member
    netrox said:
    Think "AfAId" movie. 

    They will sell devices that always monitor what you're doing and observe your behaviors and start interacting with you to encourage you to do things. 

    You don't need to wear anything. Devices are always watching you. TV turns on automatically. Lights turn on automatically. 

    Foods get prepared with their "cooking" devices. 

    Cars come to you and take you around. 

    They function as watch dogs and alert you of any intruders. 

    They will interact with you if you appear bored or lonely. 




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  • Reply 27 of 28
    hexclockhexclock Posts: 1,357member
    anthogag said:
    charlesn said:
    anthogag said:
    I have 0 interest in anything from Altman or Ive. They both appear boring. Some kind of Star Trek device operated with the voice would suck. 
    Great point! What has Ive ever done? A boring waste of a life. Same with Altman--I mean, does anyone even use ChatGPT? But I love that they confided in you that this is "some kind of Star Trek device operated with the voice" and that you already know that this will suck. We love insider information like that! Please keep up the good work! 

    eightzero said:
    I'm all AI'ed and voice assistantsed out. When Apple said the iPhone 16 was "built for AI" I took that as a warning, not a feature. I just want an off switch, m'kay?

    My opinion only. YMMV. If you enjoy this stuff, great. I'm happy for you. 
    I understand your perspective, but it would have been easy enough to say you were "all mobile phone'd out" before the iPhone debuted. The mobile phone market was already very crowded, had been for years, and Blackberry was the much beloved king of the hill. And then Apple had a different idea. I don't know that this is going to be good--whatever "this" turns out to be--but if any two people on the planet can completely reinvent the idea of what an AI device might be, it's Ive and Altman. 






    Yes, Ive is boring. We all know he was a top designer at Apple. ChatGPT is for sheep. All the sheep too lazy to do anything creative turn to ChatGPT for answers and stimulus. If it's coming from Ive it is going to be minimalism. It won't have a screen. You talk to it. Perhaps it is pinned on your chest and you tap it when you want to talk to Computer.   
    A screen-less device that you simply talk to basically ignores 9 million years of hominid evolution that relies primarily on eyesight to interact with the world. I guess if you can issue commands to turn things on and off it might be useful, but our phones can already do that. 
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  • Reply 28 of 28
    danoxdanox Posts: 3,883member
    After reading John Gruber´s articles "something is rotten at Apple" and John Siracusa´s article "Apple Turnover", I have to say that something is really rotten at Apple. 

    Apple is behind in AI (LLM, Siri, their GPU capacity, human resources for AI etc.). 
    Apple is behind in their HW. Apple is launching foldables.... when?? 

    Apple has been rotten with their timid updates for iPhones. Camera gets better and better, but not much. 

    iPhone 17´s design is rotten.

    I mean.... What isn´t rotten?

    I do not expect too much from io or OpenAI, but I hope they prove me wrong. 

    At the end, it is due that we really need "cool" devices nobody is thinkg about yet. 

    Rotten Apple. 
    I'm interested in what Apple does with AI at WWDC. "Behind," sure, if you're expecting Apple to be Google or OpenAI. Apple is leading in personal, private, and on-device AI, but that's boring and people want flashy headlines. I wouldn't bet against Apple yet anyway.

    Foldables? Yeah, it's in the works but they're expensive and target a very niche market. Still looks like a nerd-driven fad that would have been cool a decade ago, but XR has solved the problem foldables were meant to tackle -- more screen, less space.

    iPhone 17 hasn't released yet.

    And every "AI first" piece of hardware that has released so far has been an abject failure. Ive is a legendary designer, but design can't make up for lack of interest or use case.

    For both OpenAI and Apple, it's best if we wait and see what happens.
    Please, elaborate where ON-DEVICE AI Apple is leading?!?! 
    Does it exist? 

    iPhone 17 has not released yet, but we all know how they look like. 

    The first step in developing on-device AI requires the creation and production of your own device hardware. This hardware must be designed and engineered by you. Additionally, you must design and control the operating system that controls the hardware. It is important to note that one cannot occur without the other.

    As a hint, the company currently in the best position to execute in these areas is Apple. With five operating systems, five ecosystems, and Apple Silicon hardware, they are uniquely positioned to dominate these areas. However, most of Apple’s so-called competitors are behind almost every aspect in these two areas. If you cannot compete in these areas, how can you control your own destiny in this emerging computing field?

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