FireWire may finally be dead in macOS 26 & Apple isn't looking back

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FireWire's final curtain call may be upon us. In the first developer beta of macOS 26 Tahoe, Apple has removed all FireWire support.

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FireWire is gone from macOS 26



While the removal comes in a beta release and technically could be reversed, that isn't likely. The FireWire section has been removed from the System Information app entirely.

Developers have noticed that FireWire devices no longer appear in Disk Utility or Finder. There's no sign that Apple plans to bring it back.

Legacy devices like the first-generation iPod no longer appear in Finder or Disk Utility. Even with Thunderbolt adapters or docks, macOS 26 no longer recognizes FireWire hardware.

macOS 26 Tahoe dev. beta 1 is no longer compatible with the iPod 1st generation due to FireWire support being deprecated. pic.twitter.com/M3BmccCLZ2

-- Michi (@NekoMichiUBC)



FireWire began life in 1999, launching on Apple hardware on the Blue and White Power Mac G3 as Apple's answer to the sluggish USB 1.0 standard. Officially known as IEEE 1394, FireWire at the time offered speeds of 400 megabits per second.

Steve Jobs famously disconnected a FireWire drive after launch, and plugged it back in. The file transfer continued -- but this wasn't routinely reproducible for normal folks like you and I.

At the time that was more than 30 times faster than USB. It quickly became the go-to connection for digital video editing, external drives, and professional audio gear.

FireWire represented Apple's vision for a high-speed, multimedia-focused future. It supported peer-to-peer connections, low-latency transfers, and daisy-chaining long before Thunderbolt became standard.

When the original iPod debuted in 2001, FireWire was its lifeline. The first-generation iPod synced over FireWire, charged over FireWire, and needed a FireWire-equipped Mac to function.

And, it was amongst the cheapest FireWire drives you could buy at the time.

Without it, the iPod might never have made it off the ground. FireWire shaped Apple's early 2000s hardware, from syncing iTunes libraries to importing DV footage into iMovie.

In 2003, Apple introduced FireWire 800, which doubled transfer speeds to 800 megabits per second and used a new, smaller connector. But Apple never adopted the later versions of the IEEE 1394 standard, including optical modes and faster speeds beyond 800.

By then, Apple had already started moving toward USB 2.0 and Thunderbolt.

The long goodbye



FireWire's decline was slow but steady. USB 2.0 caught up in speed and had far fewer licensing headaches. Apple began phasing it out in the late 2000s, and the last Mac with a native FireWire port, the mid-2011 iMac, shipped more than a decade ago.

The company kept FireWire on life support through adapters, including a Thunderbolt-to-FireWire dongle that remained available until at least 2022. But macOS stopped actively improving FireWire drivers long before that.

By 2024, most modern Macs users had moved on.

For almost everyone, this is a nonevent. FireWire devices are already niche, and Thunderbolt 4 and USB 4 cover nearly all modern workflows.

A sleek electronic docking station with multiple ports, including USB, FireWire, and Ethernet. A black external power supply is resting on top, connected by a cable.
OWC Thunderbolt 3 dock with a FireWire 800 port



Those who still need FireWire will have to freeze their Macs on macOS Sequoia or earlier, or preserve older hardware for access.

The legacy



I'm in my mid-30s and have never used FireWire. There might have been an IEEE 1394 port (FireWire was Apple's trademark name) on our Dell family PC around 2004 but I doubt it.

Mike Wuerthele, my co-author, had me write most of this piece. He says that he had faith in me in researching this piece, which I guess I appreciate.

He says he loved FireWire, but he also loves Thunderbolt now. He mentioned to me that he's got a FireWire drive or two kicking around, but now that it's gone, only his older gear will be able to read them directly.

For me, USB was the standard by the time I started using laptops. FireWire was a footnote even in my college computer classes around 2011.

But despite fading from relevance by the time I came of age with tech, FireWire still had an impact on the industry. It helped democratize digital creativity, like making video editing accessible at home and powering the early iPod.

It defined an era when Apple was reinventing itself as the center of the "digital hub," which was the Mac in the early years of the iPod and iPhone.

If you ever dragged DV footage into iMovie with an i.link cable from a Sony camcorder, or synced 1,000 songs to your pocket, take a moment. FireWire may not have fully survived the transition to Apple Silicon, but it left a clean transfer rate and a proud legacy behind.

For what it's worth, we've reached out to Apple about it. We're not expecting to hear back.



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  • Reply 1 of 26
    So be it. - I have several devices using FireWire, but they all stem from before I bought my first Mac (2013). I must have bought several FireWire adapter cables from China the other year. Nothing lost for me, as long as I remember to keep my older computers (Macs and PCs). - Besides, "wireless" seems the way to go.

    Off-topic, but related: how about SCSI? Wasn't that a precursor to FireWire, with hindsight?  My SCSI-gear is over thirty years old now.
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  • Reply 2 of 26
    Mike Wuerthelemike wuerthele Posts: 7,184administrator
    So be it. - I have several devices using FireWire, but they all stem from before I bought my first Mac (2013). I must have bought several FireWire adapter cables from China the other year. Nothing lost for me, as long as I remember to keep my older computers (Macs and PCs). - Besides, "wireless" seems the way to go.

    Off-topic, but related: how about SCSI? Wasn't that a precursor to FireWire, with hindsight?  My SCSI-gear is over thirty years old now.
    Big Sur was the last reliable SCSI-supporting OS. DriverKit's removal of FireWire probably means the death of SCSI too.
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  • Reply 3 of 26
    MplsPmplsp Posts: 4,177member
    RIP Firewire. This article sums it up fairly well - it was initially better than USB and had some advantages over it but fell behind and never got the adoption that USB did. It's not unlike other standards - USB was cheaper and more prevalent and so it won out.
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  • Reply 4 of 26
    davendaven Posts: 782member
    I need to move my data from old FireWire drives to a new drive. Back in the day a 200 mb drive was big!
    entropys
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  • Reply 5 of 26
    FireWire has its roots going back to Atari in the mid 1980s then the engineer who was working on it, David Wooten, moved to Apple.

    The F35 uses FireWire.
    dewme
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  • Reply 6 of 26
    Scuzzy terminations we’re a right laugh and a great way to lose data and days. But they did let you make phone calls on your Mac via your iPod! 🤪
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  • Reply 7 of 26
    MisterKitmisterkit Posts: 535member
    RIP Firewire. There were many great Firewire Audio/MIDI interfaces in home and pro studios in its day. They were solid performers.
    jeffharris
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  • Reply 8 of 26
    That’s a shame. I liked FireWire and still have a few devices. A magneto optical drive and a Nikon slide scanner, maybe an old hard drive, too

    Recently, I was thinking about getting the scanner up and running again, stringing together a bunch of adaptors from FireWire 400 to Thunderbolt.
    I still have a couple of old Macs (2012 MacBook Pro and a 1Ghz Titanium PowerBook) that should be able to handle it, though. The PowerBook has a FireWire port!
    Still have the original drivers and old versions of Photoshop all loaded on them, too!
    MisterKit
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  • Reply 9 of 26
    mpantonempantone Posts: 2,486member
    I don't see why anyone is should be surprised by this. There was zero growth for the FireWire interface over many years while USB exploded.

    Apple discontinued all Macs that featured FireWire interfaces years ago and wholeheartedly embraced USB and later Thunderbolt. It was simply a matter of "when" not "if". 
    edited June 19
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  • Reply 10 of 26
    davendaven Posts: 782member
    I’m smarter than I realized. I was going to move my old FireWire files to a new drive after reading the article. However, smart younger me put notes on the drives that I already moved the files and where the new location is. Now what current me needs to do is get rid of the old drives so I don’t keep trying to move files I already moved.
    TomPMRIappleinsideruserwilliamlondon
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  • Reply 11 of 26
    citpekscitpeks Posts: 268member
    Scuzzy terminations we’re a right laugh and a great way to lose data and days. But they did let you make phone calls on your Mac via your iPod! 🤪

    Remembrances of FireWire would be incomplete without mentioning the procedure to reset the FireWire bus -- unplug all devices, powering down the Mac, and waiting for some time period I don't recall.  Or something to that effect.
    appleinsideruser
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  • Reply 12 of 26
    There’s going to be a small but vocal number of pro audio people clinging to old FireWire audio interfaces who scream blue murder about ‘Planned Obsolescence’ and how Apple are terrible for not supporting their 20 year old interface.
    cia
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  • Reply 13 of 26
    davidwdavidw Posts: 2,183member
    Still use Firewire on occasion. Maybe couple of times a year, to help friends and family members digitize old home movies. In fact I used it once this year for that very purpose. To convert old home movies taken on VSH, Beta, 8mm or DV camcorders, the easiest way for me (and the way I've been doing it for about 20 years) is to connect the old format camcorders (or tape players) using a standard video RCA plug to my Sony DV camera with i-Link (Sony version of Firewire) and by using pass through mode, connect it to my Mac (an old Mac Pro Xeon with 8 core now) using a Firewire cable. No problem what so ever with any versions of iMovie (that I can run) seeing the Firewire connection and allowing me import and digitized those home movies, on to a DVD and/or QT movie file).

    As for my older Firewire HD enclosures, I'm pretty sure they all also have USB. But I can always remove the HD and install it in a USB enclosure.

    As for my 1st generation iPod. If I'm only going to use it for nostalgic reasons, I might as well go all out nostalgic and fire up my old Apple G3 Pismo PowerBook. Which still have one of my older iTunes library and of course Firewire. All my batteries are dead but still boots up fine to OSX Jaguar, with the "Yo-Yo" AC power supply.

    Can't remember the last time I used Target Mode. But remember it did come in handy on more than a couple of occasions.
    appleinsideruser
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  • Reply 14 of 26
    sphericspheric Posts: 2,800member
    daven said:
    I need to move my data from old FireWire drives to a new drive. Back in the day a 200 mb drive was big!
    If you have hard drives still dating back to the FireWire era, you should have been regularly a religiously copying their contents to multiple newer hard drives in regular intervals since then. 

    Hard drives die even when not used, and recovery is expensive. 

    Get a new set of duplicate drives every five or so years and copy everything over to those, put the ole drives in the basement or a different building, and keep doing that regularly if you value your data. 
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  • Reply 15 of 26
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 8,324member
    citpeks said:
    Scuzzy terminations we’re a right laugh and a great way to lose data and days. But they did let you make phone calls on your Mac via your iPod! 🤪

    Remembrances of FireWire would be incomplete without mentioning the procedure to reset the FireWire bus -- unplug all devices, powering down the Mac, and waiting for some time period I don't recall.  Or something to that effect.
    And also that some models of iMac could act as firewire repeaters even when switched off. 

    The Sawtooth Macs had an internal firewire port. 

    I very nearly bought a Sony Lissa stereo system, too with 1394 interconnects. 
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  • Reply 16 of 26
    FireWire lost out because Apple wanted royalties for its use. Hence the 1394 disparity that made FireWire different on every platform and ultimately doomed.
    williamlondon
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  • Reply 17 of 26
    FireWire lost out because Apple wanted royalties for its use. Hence the 1394 disparity that made FireWire different on every platform and ultimately doomed.
    It wasn’t because of technological reasons that it lost to USB but because chipmakers like Intel balked  at including it in their chips when Apple wanted royalties.
    rob53appleinsideruser
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  • Reply 18 of 26
    jeffdmjeffdm Posts: 12,954member
    I still use that 2011 iMac model as a home desktop. I will have to replace it soon as browsers stopped updating for the most recently supported OS. I keep a backup drive on it that connects by FW800.
    edited June 20
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  • Reply 19 of 26
    MikeJBmikejb Posts: 11member
    Well, now I know what I will be doing before I install macOS26 on my M3 Pro MBP. I have an extensive 8mm tape library of family home videos (Dad's stuff. Grin) and last year my sister requested a copy of a video recording of my Dad preparing his annual Christmas Fudge.  In order to give my sister that priceless family remembrance, I "dug" out of storage my old Sony HDV Handycam HDR-HC1 camcorder (an old "state of the art" model), find that particular 8 mm tape cassette from 40 or so, buy the following adaptors to connect my camcorder's output to my M3 Pro MBP and then transfer that video segment to a Flash Drive.  Those adaptors were: i.Link cable (IEEE 1394)  -- to FireWire 400 to 800 adapter -- to a FireWire 800 to Thunderbolt adaptor (Apple) -- and then finally to a Thunderbolt 2 to Thunderbolt 3 adapter (Apple).  This "Frankenstein connector" actually worked!  

    Sometime in July, it will be back to copying all those cassette tape video recordings to "treasured" flash drives or dedicated SSD drives.  Then after macOS26 is installed, my Sony Camcorder will be returned to my equivalent of "The Bone Yard" storage area - sadly probably for the last time.  Time moves on.  
    appleinsideruser
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  • Reply 20 of 26
    Firewire drives and most devices are easily replaced, I agree. All of my hard drives are USB-C SSDs. The huge problem for people in my situation is when it comes to Firewire scanners. I own a Minolta Dimage Scan Multi Pro to scan my negatives. This is still one of the finest scanners after all these years. Not all of us are ready to drop our investment in and love for film cameras and scanners. Previously I was excited about MacOS26 but now must forget about upgrading. True, the death of Firewire was long inevitable, but the current crop of film scanners (probably also under threat) is not as good as the admittedly ancient Firewire scanners.
    muthuk_vanalingam
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