Apple execs may be newly considering buying AI firm Perplexity

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Perhaps in an acquihire to boost search, or to improve Siri, Apple executives have reportedly recently discussed buying or partnering with AI startup Perplexity.

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Perplexity may be on Apple's acquisition list



The two executives linked to discussions are said to be the company's head of mergers Adrian Perica, and Eddy Cue. According to unnamed sources within Apple, internal discussions are in a very early stage, and there has not yet been an offer made.

Also a possibility is a team-up with Perplexity, rather than an outright buy. Any partnership would put Perplexity in Safari, and perhaps integrated into the long-delayed improved Siri project, that is now not expected to ship until 2026.

The report on Friday by Bloomberg discusses that the move may get made to help Apple develop an AI-powered search engine. Google pays Apple about $20 billion a year to be the primary search engine on the iPhone and Mac, but that deal is in danger after antitrust and regulatory discussions.

If a deal is reached to buy Perplexity, the deal would be the largest in Apple history, and not by a little. Perplexity is valued at about $14 billion. This far eclipses the deal that Apple made in 2014 for Beats, which cost the company $3 billion.

The news may not come as a giant surprise, if you've been following the Google antitrust trial. On the stand, Cue was clear that they had talked at least some with Perplexity.

"We've been pretty impressed with what Perplexity has done, so we've started some discussions with them about what they're doing," Cue said, while under oath.

Beyond even that, the report isn't outside the realm of possibility. Previous rumors and Craig Federighi himself have said that Apple is looking at working with multiple partners to deliver an assortment of AI and search options for consumers.

The main name tied to Apple's AI effort is obviously OpenAI. Before the Apple Intelligence rollout, Google and Meta were named as possible participants.

Anthropic and Perplexity were also mentioned, at least in passing.

To us, it seems more likely that Apple is dealing with AI providers the same way they handle hardware component suppliers. Having multiple providers on the hook, as it were, in this case may ultimately give users more choice, but will also keep costs down for Apple.

Rumor Score: Possible

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  • Reply 2 of 18
    anthogaganthogag Posts: 121member
    If Perplexity is good Apple should dump Google and buy Perplexity and make an Apple search engine.

    Can Perplexity successfully help make Siri become the poster algorithm for Apple Intelligence?  
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  • Reply 3 of 18
    danoxdanox Posts: 3,877member
    Highly unlikely 2025 is almost over Perplexity even if you finalized the deal in October/November, after you buy them, you’ll have to have many someone’s go through every single thing that they’ve done up until this point in even greater detail and to top it off most of the people at Perplexity are going to quit so what are you getting? That’ll take a good six months maybe even a year and it won’t help you at least not soon enough in fact, they won’t even help you at all, but you would’ve spent $14 billion dollars down the drain, but you can tell Wall Street that you’re doing something.

    Sam at OpenAI did not get a check from Apple for a reason because there are no shortcuts in AI just like there are no shortcuts in designing operating systems and designing cpu/gpu chips particularly if you choose unwisely. Apples solution/path is on the edge. Most of their competition is working on a solution that phones home.


    https://www.macstories.net/stories/hands-on-how-apples-new-speech-apis-outpace-whisper-for-lightning-fast-transcription/

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  • Reply 4 of 18
    canukstormcanukstorm Posts: 2,795member
    danox said:
    Highly unlikely 2025 is almost over Perplexity even if you finalized the deal in October/November, after you buy them, you’ll have to have many someone’s go through every single thing that they’ve done up until this point in even greater detail and to top it off most of the people at Perplexity are going to quit so what are you getting? That’ll take a good six months maybe even a year and it won’t help you at least not soon enough in fact, they won’t even help you at all, but you would’ve spent $14 billion dollars down the drain, but you can tell Wall Street that you’re doing something.

    Sam at OpenAI did not get a check from Apple for a reason because there are no shortcuts in AI just like there are no shortcuts in designing operating systems and designing cpu/gpu chips particularly if you choose unwisely. Apples solution/path is on the edge. Most of their competition is working on a solution that phones home.


    https://www.macstories.net/stories/hands-on-how-apples-new-speech-apis-outpace-whisper-for-lightning-fast-transcription/

    "top it off most of the people at Perplexity are going to quit " => That's an assumption.  You don't know that.
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  • Reply 5 of 18
    Pdybmanpdybman Posts: 19member

    Perhaps in an acquihire to boost search, or to improve Siri, Apple executives have reportedly recently discussed buying or partnering with AI startup Perplexity.

    Perplexity may be on Apple's acquisition list

    The two executives linked to discussions are said to be the company's head of mergers Adrian Perica, and Eddy Cue. According to unnamed sources within Apple, internal discussions are in a very early stage, and there has not yet been an offer made.

    Also a possibility is a team-up with Perplexity, rather than an outright buy. Any partnership would put Perplexity in Safari, and perhaps integrated into the long-delayed improved Siri project, that is now not expected to ship until 2026.

    I’ve been using Perplexity for a few months, mainly as a very efficient search engine, so it has mostly replaced Google in my case.

    It’s faster, reliable, and doesn’t overwhelm you with ads.

    It doesn’t replace higher end models like Claude or ChatGPT, but it can provide the basis for a query into those models.

    I would be very happy if Apple integrated Perplexity in its OS tools.

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  • Reply 6 of 18
    Anilu_777anilu_777 Posts: 608member
    I use both Perplexity and ChatGPT. I prefer Perplexity for style and completeness. 
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  • Reply 7 of 18
    michelb76michelb76 Posts: 769member
    Sounds like an extremely unlikely culture fit, given that Perplexity believes in ad-supported everything.
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  • Reply 8 of 18
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,769member
    Complicating things, Samsung is also reportedly near finalizing a partnership deal with them, and Meta has also held acquisition talks, though things there have cooled a bit with another AI startup now favored.  I don't see an outright purchase in the cards, especially since once the Samsung deal is finalized Perplexities value will leap. That companies ownership knows that, perhaps why Meta may be moving on to grabbing a different company.
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  • Reply 9 of 18
    I'm a Perplexity subscriber. I use it for scientific data searches and summaries. It has been excellent. If Apple could take the product and allow it to use the information you have stored locally in addition to the www, that would be transformative. I have a lot of papers stored locally that are behind paywalls, and I have a lot of data that was generated in my lab. To search beyond file names and keywords is a dream scenario.
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  • Reply 10 of 18
    danoxdanox Posts: 3,877member
    Who knows?

    https://www.fortuneindia.com/technology/exclusive-perplexity-shuts-down-apple-acquisition-chatter-says-no-talks-underway/124260

    And what is it? Other than the fact someone (a trusty venture capitalist) says they are worth 14 billion dollars are they a fancy web search engine? Once again if bought by Apple who’s staying?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perplexity_AI Wikipedia says that they are a fancy web search engine which uses a variety of AI models (five) of them in fact if you’re running behind, does that sound like an easy road to balance five models at once, and get what you need done within a year or two?
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  • Reply 11 of 18
    canukstormcanukstorm Posts: 2,795member
    danox said:
    Who knows?

    https://www.fortuneindia.com/technology/exclusive-perplexity-shuts-down-apple-acquisition-chatter-says-no-talks-underway/124260

    And what is it? Other than the fact someone (a trusty venture capitalist) says they are worth 14 billion dollars are they a fancy web search engine? Once again if bought by Apple who’s staying?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perplexity_AI Wikipedia says that they are a fancy web search engine which uses a variety of AI models (five) of them in fact if you’re running behind, does that sound like an easy road to balance five models at once, and get what you need done within a year or two?
    A great summary of what it is

    Post in thread 'Apple Internally Discussing Whether to Bid to Acquire Perplexity AI' https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/apple-internally-discussing-whether-to-bid-to-acquire-perplexity-ai.2459396/post-33972081
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  • Reply 12 of 18
    I’ve been very happy using perplexity for many months. Great answers on topic from coding to access arrangements for the Roman baths in Bath. Seldom bother with Duck duck go now.
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  • Reply 13 of 18
    chasmchasm Posts: 3,774member
    "top it off most of the people at Perplexity are going to quit " => That's an assumption.  You don't know that.
    Don't pay any attention to him, he's just here to promote his substack.
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  • Reply 14 of 18
    danoxdanox Posts: 3,877member
    danox said:
    Who knows?

    https://www.fortuneindia.com/technology/exclusive-perplexity-shuts-down-apple-acquisition-chatter-says-no-talks-underway/124260

    And what is it? Other than the fact someone (a trusty venture capitalist) says they are worth 14 billion dollars are they a fancy web search engine? Once again if bought by Apple who’s staying?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perplexity_AI Wikipedia says that they are a fancy web search engine which uses a variety of AI models (five) of them in fact if you’re running behind, does that sound like an easy road to balance five models at once, and get what you need done within a year or two?
    A great summary of what it is

    Post in thread 'Apple Internally Discussing Whether to Bid to Acquire Perplexity AI' https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/apple-internally-discussing-whether-to-bid-to-acquire-perplexity-ai.2459396/post-33972081

    Thanks for the link it basically confirms that they are not worth 14.5 billion dollars. They are more on the level of a $500 million company if that…. using five models, not your own and building a graphic user interface on top is something Apple can do in house. Wait a minute isn’t that what Apple is already doing with OpenAI? Wrapping Apple OS and a graphic user interface over OpenAI.
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  • Reply 15 of 18
    AppleZuluapplezulu Posts: 2,528member
    danox said:
    Highly unlikely 2025 is almost over Perplexity even if you finalized the deal in October/November, after you buy them, you’ll have to have many someone’s go through every single thing that they’ve done up until this point in even greater detail and to top it off most of the people at Perplexity are going to quit so what are you getting? That’ll take a good six months maybe even a year and it won’t help you at least not soon enough in fact, they won’t even help you at all, but you would’ve spent $14 billion dollars down the drain, but you can tell Wall Street that you’re doing something.

    Sam at OpenAI did not get a check from Apple for a reason because there are no shortcuts in AI just like there are no shortcuts in designing operating systems and designing cpu/gpu chips particularly if you choose unwisely. Apples solution/path is on the edge. Most of their competition is working on a solution that phones home.


    https://www.macstories.net/stories/hands-on-how-apples-new-speech-apis-outpace-whisper-for-lightning-fast-transcription/

    I don’t know anything about the assertion regarding Perplexity staff quitting, but the Gary Marcus links are spot on. All the hype about LLM AI is just that: hype. The tech is just probabilistic pattern predictions based on massive data scrapes and brute force calculations. Despite the inherent human gullibility that really wants to anthropomorphize things that seem human, there is no reasoning, no creativity, and certainly no borderline sentience. That’s why a kid with vastly less data, training and computational power can write a better, more accurate term paper than ChatGPT. 

    Fortunately, it would seem Apple is sorting that out in their research. I’d still call their early AI announcement a FOMO blunder, but I’m even more glad to wait patiently to see what actual utility they develop with  the realization that everyone else is barking up the wrong tree and that their AI is (to mix my metaphors) not only half baked, but evidently using wood pulp instead of flour. 
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  • Reply 16 of 18
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 8,324member
    AppleZulu said:
    danox said:
    Highly unlikely 2025 is almost over Perplexity even if you finalized the deal in October/November, after you buy them, you’ll have to have many someone’s go through every single thing that they’ve done up until this point in even greater detail and to top it off most of the people at Perplexity are going to quit so what are you getting? That’ll take a good six months maybe even a year and it won’t help you at least not soon enough in fact, they won’t even help you at all, but you would’ve spent $14 billion dollars down the drain, but you can tell Wall Street that you’re doing something.

    Sam at OpenAI did not get a check from Apple for a reason because there are no shortcuts in AI just like there are no shortcuts in designing operating systems and designing cpu/gpu chips particularly if you choose unwisely. Apples solution/path is on the edge. Most of their competition is working on a solution that phones home.


    https://www.macstories.net/stories/hands-on-how-apples-new-speech-apis-outpace-whisper-for-lightning-fast-transcription/

    I don’t know anything about the assertion regarding Perplexity staff quitting, but the Gary Marcus links are spot on. All the hype about LLM AI is just that: hype. The tech is just probabilistic pattern predictions based on massive data scrapes and brute force calculations. Despite the inherent human gullibility that really wants to anthropomorphize things that seem human, there is no reasoning, no creativity, and certainly no borderline sentience. That’s why a kid with vastly less data, training and computational power can write a better, more accurate term paper than ChatGPT. 

    Fortunately, it would seem Apple is sorting that out in their research. I’d still call their early AI announcement a FOMO blunder, but I’m even more glad to wait patiently to see what actual utility they develop with  the realization that everyone else is barking up the wrong tree and that their AI is (to mix my metaphors) not only half baked, but evidently using wood pulp instead of flour. 
    While there is undoubtedly hype (after all, things need to be 'sold'), it isn't only hype.

    If it were, people would have moved on by now. But have they? No. 

    That's because, even in its current state, AI does a lot of the grunt work behind data processing to provide usable solutions. 

    I am a Perplexity Pro user and it can be a lifesaver. Especially in terms of time and reaching deadlines. 

    I've seen AI transform research papers written in non-native languages into something that is convincing from a language perspective. Everything needs to be checked for 'tone' but that's about it.

    Reasoning models are just one more step along the way and are improving fast. 

    Use cases are unlimited and, even with hallucinations, results are clearly good enough overall. That's why people keep using the technology.

    Also worth noting is that Perplexity tries to keep the data it uses 'clean' precisely to improve the quality of its output. 
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  • Reply 17 of 18
    AppleZuluapplezulu Posts: 2,528member
    avon b7 said:
    AppleZulu said:
    danox said:
    Highly unlikely 2025 is almost over Perplexity even if you finalized the deal in October/November, after you buy them, you’ll have to have many someone’s go through every single thing that they’ve done up until this point in even greater detail and to top it off most of the people at Perplexity are going to quit so what are you getting? That’ll take a good six months maybe even a year and it won’t help you at least not soon enough in fact, they won’t even help you at all, but you would’ve spent $14 billion dollars down the drain, but you can tell Wall Street that you’re doing something.

    Sam at OpenAI did not get a check from Apple for a reason because there are no shortcuts in AI just like there are no shortcuts in designing operating systems and designing cpu/gpu chips particularly if you choose unwisely. Apples solution/path is on the edge. Most of their competition is working on a solution that phones home.


    https://www.macstories.net/stories/hands-on-how-apples-new-speech-apis-outpace-whisper-for-lightning-fast-transcription/

    I don’t know anything about the assertion regarding Perplexity staff quitting, but the Gary Marcus links are spot on. All the hype about LLM AI is just that: hype. The tech is just probabilistic pattern predictions based on massive data scrapes and brute force calculations. Despite the inherent human gullibility that really wants to anthropomorphize things that seem human, there is no reasoning, no creativity, and certainly no borderline sentience. That’s why a kid with vastly less data, training and computational power can write a better, more accurate term paper than ChatGPT. 

    Fortunately, it would seem Apple is sorting that out in their research. I’d still call their early AI announcement a FOMO blunder, but I’m even more glad to wait patiently to see what actual utility they develop with  the realization that everyone else is barking up the wrong tree and that their AI is (to mix my metaphors) not only half baked, but evidently using wood pulp instead of flour. 
    While there is undoubtedly hype (after all, things need to be 'sold'), it isn't only hype.

    If it were, people would have moved on by now. But have they? No. 

    That's because, even in its current state, AI does a lot of the grunt work behind data processing to provide usable solutions. 

    I am a Perplexity Pro user and it can be a lifesaver. Especially in terms of time and reaching deadlines. 

    I've seen AI transform research papers written in non-native languages into something that is convincing from a language perspective. Everything needs to be checked for 'tone' but that's about it.

    Reasoning models are just one more step along the way and are improving fast

    Use cases are unlimited and, even with hallucinations, results are clearly good enough overall. That's why people keep using the technology.

    Also worth noting is that Perplexity tries to keep the data it uses 'clean' precisely to improve the quality of its output. 
    LLM should work well for something like research paper translation, because the content that requires reasoning is already there. Moving that to another language plays to the strength of LLM AI, as it’s just taking that existing information and finding the words in another language that are most likely useful to say the same thing. 

    Saying that reasoning models are just “one more step” is like saying powered human flight was just “one more step” from motorized automobiles. Gasoline engines could certainly propel a vehicle forward, but the technology had precisely nothing within it that was just a step away from it being a flying machine. 

    The Wright Brothers did indeed use a gasoline engine to propel their airplane. The rest of their work was achieved by examining the existing flight research, realize that it was an engineering dead end, throw it all out and develop an entirely new technology not only for flight itself, but for meticulously testing their hypotheses and theories in a controlled environment before ever building the first airplanes. 

    Go back and look at those links to what Gary Marcus wrote. It’s not just that LLM AI needs improvements or enhancements to make that “next step” to actual reasoning, it’s that it isn’t reasoning at all and probably never will. The entire approach is just a brute force simulation. 

    Also, the fact that it has been rushed out to the public under the guise that it can do things that it can’t means much of it is doomed to collapse as AI output is posted online and becomes AI input. Its own unreliable output poisons its probabilistic calculations making it increasingly likely that subsequent output will be erroneous and hallucinatory. 

    So in my estimation, that Apple might be taking a Wright Brothers approach to the current state of AI is only encouraging. 
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  • Reply 18 of 18
    Perplexitiy relies on GUI system and once you use Perplexity, it orchestrates OpanAI, Claude, Anthropic etc. and gives a result out of that. 
    Perplexity owns their LLM, but it is not really proven. 

    I heard that more and more talents are leaving Perplexity, but it seems to be no specific problem for Perplexity, because we hear that even OpenAI is losing talents. 

    Buying Perplexity for strategic reasons may not be a bad option, but paying $14 billion for that??? Questionable.

    Meta even thought about buying Perplexity before Scale AI, but jumped out. 

    I fear that Perplexity knows that they can´t survive as a stand alone company in the future and bankers want to drive their value up.. So, bankers might have asked some corporations for potential bid... 


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