TIVO and Apple in near future.
Hello.
I will simply give you something to think about.
I think many of you should already thought about this.
http://www.macdailynews.com/comments.php?id=P937_0_1_0
First, Apple will NOT buy TIVO.
But there will be New TIVO soon!
"In January, TiVo announced that upcoming devices would use Apple's Rendezvous networking technology to allow TiVo-equipped TVs to play music and display photos stored on a Mac."
http://www.tivo.com/4.9.asp
This will be the first iTune and iPhoto compatible device.
http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2003/...09214809.shtml
"We are currently working with Apple to provide complete integration with future versions of iTunes and iPhoto"
http://www.tivo.com/4.9.4.asp
It will support MPEG-4 AAC encoded songs and it will have better sound output connection for Hi-Fi audio Amp
http://www.tivo.com/4.9.5.asp
It will support better way to show your picture with iPhoto
This one wiil have Airport Extream comptatible card built in.
http://www.tivo.com/4.9.9.2.asp
"The new version of iTune will able to connecting Tivo with Rendezvous networking technology and will be able to download songs to TIV."
Now you will ask what's big deal about it.
The best part will be , it will be Digital TV compartible and will be able to playback MPEG-4 video as well!
So you will be able to play your own home video from TIVO.
and if the legal problem can be solved in this year, you will be able to see the HDTV content in TIVO from Mac!
http://www.tivo.com/4.9.7.asp
same thing as above but the display will be your iBook or iMac.
Now what will be the next step ?
Think iTune music service and think about Divx.
If you don't have to go to blockbuster to rent DVD or video, and download MPEG-2 or MPEG-4 video from Apple to see for 48hour or 1 week for $2.99~$3.99, Will you use it?
Think about it!
I will simply give you something to think about.
I think many of you should already thought about this.
http://www.macdailynews.com/comments.php?id=P937_0_1_0
First, Apple will NOT buy TIVO.
But there will be New TIVO soon!
"In January, TiVo announced that upcoming devices would use Apple's Rendezvous networking technology to allow TiVo-equipped TVs to play music and display photos stored on a Mac."
http://www.tivo.com/4.9.asp
This will be the first iTune and iPhoto compatible device.
http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2003/...09214809.shtml
"We are currently working with Apple to provide complete integration with future versions of iTunes and iPhoto"
http://www.tivo.com/4.9.4.asp
It will support MPEG-4 AAC encoded songs and it will have better sound output connection for Hi-Fi audio Amp
http://www.tivo.com/4.9.5.asp
It will support better way to show your picture with iPhoto
This one wiil have Airport Extream comptatible card built in.
http://www.tivo.com/4.9.9.2.asp
"The new version of iTune will able to connecting Tivo with Rendezvous networking technology and will be able to download songs to TIV."
Now you will ask what's big deal about it.
The best part will be , it will be Digital TV compartible and will be able to playback MPEG-4 video as well!
So you will be able to play your own home video from TIVO.
and if the legal problem can be solved in this year, you will be able to see the HDTV content in TIVO from Mac!
http://www.tivo.com/4.9.7.asp
same thing as above but the display will be your iBook or iMac.
Now what will be the next step ?
Think iTune music service and think about Divx.
If you don't have to go to blockbuster to rent DVD or video, and download MPEG-2 or MPEG-4 video from Apple to see for 48hour or 1 week for $2.99~$3.99, Will you use it?
Think about it!
Comments
Buying Tivo is not going to happen. And unless Tivo and ReplayTV find out a way to drastically lower the $499+ cost for a DVR with Lifetime support they won't survive.
The timeshifting and pausing of Live Vide is nice but when confronted with computer based efforts from ATI and EyeTV which cost much less the consumer will go with the cheaper solution.
I'd rather see Apple innovate on the homefront for a nice Audio Server using AAC and robust connectivity. They would then not have to worry about the MPAA, Greedy Hollywood and HDCP/5P.
Don't expect much from HDTV. It will be so riddle with Copy Protection it won't have that much of use IMO.
Oh I don't think consumer will like Downloadable video at $2.99-3.99 I average about $1.60 for my Netflix DVDs. No way am I paying twice as much with any regularity.
Also there is still no mpeg4 video cam that is compatible with the mac and that uses firewire... I know in 2004 there will probably be a whole slew of them but Apple could still be the first to do it right...
For set-top box use with an Apple logo on it.
The Device is called i*****3 !!
Think about it !
PS: For less frequent visitors or other people who scratch their head after reading the lines above...it's a Kormac thing, you wouldn't understand. Don't worry
Given the iPod. I can't understand why Apple don't have their own 'all-in-one' mini-me multimedia box that plays videos/internet trailers...iPhoto slideshows and integrates some tablet like functionality in there...maybe.
But a digital wallet. Could be a good thing. To me, it's a no-brainer. Think of all those camera clubs around the world. Think of all the digital cameras which need a mini-hard-drive to hold all those pics on?
An iPod with a colour screen perhaps. Or something completely different. A vPod that builds upon the iPod brand name. It's a winner.
So where's the 'more DLD's to come from Apple' Mr. Jobs?
Lemon Bon Bon
Originally posted by Producer
Well I would also like it to allow my future plasma tv to act as a reomote screen so I can surf the web with a wireless keyboard...
Also there is still no mpeg4 video cam that is compatible with the mac and that uses firewire... I know in 2004 there will probably be a whole slew of them but Apple could still be the first to do it right...
Plasmas don't work too well as computer screens. If an image sits on a plasma for too long it will burn in.
Originally posted by kormac77
But there will be New TIVO soon!
"In January, TiVo announced that upcoming devices would use Apple's Rendezvous networking technology to allow TiVo-equipped TVs to play music and display photos stored on a Mac."
http://www.tivo.com/4.9.asp
This will be the first iTune and iPhoto compatible device.
It's already here, Sherlock.
Originally posted by JLL
It's already here, Sherlock.
Originally posted by JLL
It's already here, Sherlock.
Hey Sparky, if you read his post to the end you'd see that he actually spent all that time typing to lead you gently to his final point ... movie downloads.
Some people have remarkably short attention spans, and Kormac77 should keep that in mind when he writes in the future.
Originally posted by kormac77
.......
The best part will be , it will be Digital TV compartible and will be able to playback MPEG-4 video as well!
So you will be able to play your own home video from TIVO.
and if the legal problem can be solved in this year, you will be able to see the HDTV content in TIVO from Mac!
http://www.tivo.com/4.9.7.asp
same thing as above but the display will be your iBook or iMac.
Now what will be the next step ?
Think iTune music service and think about Divx.
If you don't have to go to blockbuster to rent DVD or video, and download MPEG-2 or MPEG-4 video from Apple to see for 48hour or 1 week for $2.99~$3.99, Will you use it?
Think about it!
What size of files are we talking about here? What is minimum amount of download speed would you want for this?
What's the point? iMovie access or bust.
I'd also like a faster port like firewire.
It's already here, Sherlock.
I think Sherlock is a different technology.
GO KORMAC GO!!!
Buying Tivo is not going to happen. And unless Tivo and ReplayTV find out a way to drastically lower the $499+ cost for a DVR with Lifetime support they won't survive.
Well, Apple manages to sell a $499 iPod.
Originally posted by hmurchison
Best case scenario is Apple licenses and creates their own Tivo capable box.
Buying Tivo is not going to happen. And unless Tivo and ReplayTV find out a way to drastically lower the $499+ cost for a DVR with Lifetime support they won't survive.
I agree, certain cable companies are offering up their own boxes with cable for a small if any fee with your cable. So why go out and drop hundreds of dollars?
Originally posted by KidRed
I agree, certain cable companies are offering up their own boxes with cable for a small if any fee with your cable. So why go out and drop hundreds of dollars?
Because the functionality is very limited compared to TiVo. No season passes, no wishlists, only 3 days of programming info, etc. Other than Replay TV, the other "DVRs" are really just digital VCRs, with all the inherent limitations that come with them. TiVo takes it to the next level.
However, TiVo realizes that it needs to compete with the cheapo DVR knockoffs out there, and so it now offers TiVo Basic service, which has (free) limited capablities that are comparable to the cable companies' DVRs. The difference is, though, that it comes with a month's free trial of full TiVo service, and can be switched over to the full service if (and when) the customer gets hooked on the increased functionality.
Smart thinking.
Reuters, 05.08.03, 4:00 PM ET
NEW YORK, May 8 (Reuters) - Tivo Inc. (nasdaq: TIVO - news - people), whose technology allows television viewers to pause and replay live shows, on Thursday said it will license a bare-bones version of its service primarily to makers of DVD players.
In an effort to increase its subscriber base, Tivo will license consumer electronics makers to build devices with Tivo Basic, a free service that will allow users to pause live TV shows and record programs by time and date. The basic service will not include the enhanced features like the ability to save any film starring Christopher Walken.
But each box will allow users to upgrade to Tivo's full service, which offers fee-paying subscribers the option to record up to 80 hours of programs, including an entire season of one show. The enhanced system also automatically records shows based on users' viewing habits.
All Tivo Basic products will be shipped with the ability to upgrade to the full Tivo service, which costs about $13 a month or a one-time fee of $299.
Tivo said Toshiba Corp.<6502.T> would be the first company to produce a DVD player with the Tivo Basic service, with its device available at retail stores later this year.
A Tivo spokeswoman declined to detail the terms of the licensing agreement with Toshiba. She said that while purchasers of the Tivo-enabled Toshiba device would receive the basic service for free, Tivo would be "compensated."
With about 600,000 subscribers, Tivo claims the most well-known brand of digital video recording service. EchoStar Communications Corp.'s (nasdaq: DISH - news - people) Dish Network says it has more DVR users, but has declined to give total user figures.
Tivo, which draws most of its earnings from subscriber fees, has been working on new sources of revenue including licensing as big consumer electronics brands such as Matsushita Electric Industrial Co Ltd.'s Panasonic<6752.T> develop their own DVR systems.
Tivo which makes its own Tivo-branded DVR, said it does not plan to sell a DVR with the Tivo Basic service.
Well, Apple manages to sell a $499 iPod.
Yes and your iPod isn't subject to the need to contact the "Mothership" for Guide Data. It's not the price that's the issue. It's the price for what it does. Tivo's and 10x more expensive than the typical VCR. While yes they do offer many more features common sense dictates they "should" at their huge price premium.
At the risk of sounding too much like Matsu the key here is
Price Price Price!!!
Hell right now I think I could live with a basic VCR based of a HD. Just add VCR+ and standard transport controls. Pausing live TV would be easy. No monthly or Lifetime fees it'd be half the cost. Frankly lots of people don't care about Wishlists and Season passes as VCR+ always worked fine for me. Tivo doesn't give me what I want for the price. It doesn't save me time and shelling about half a Grand for this is more than I want and judging from the slow slow...did I mention slow growth of the DVR I'd say alot of consumers are put off by the price as well.
Originally posted by hmurchison
Hell right now I think I could live with a basic VCR based of a HD. Just add VCR+ and standard transport controls. Pausing live TV would be easy. No monthly or Lifetime fees it'd be half the cost. Frankly lots of people don't care about Wishlists and Season passes as VCR+ always worked fine for me. Tivo doesn't give me what I want for the price. It doesn't save me time and shelling about half a Grand for this is more than I want and judging from the slow slow...did I mention slow growth of the DVR I'd say alot of consumers are put off by the price as well.
Part of the problem with TiVo is that it's hard to get across its benefits over the competition until you actually SIT DOWN and use one. Then you realize that all the extra features are worth the price, and you don't know how you got by without one in the past.
It's funny, but many say the same about Macs over PCs. You have a point in that too many people settle for "good enough," and that's why the cheaper solution usually wins. I'm surprised that you're willing to shell out the extra bucks for a more expensive Mac but settle for good enough when it comes to a DVR.
Originally posted by vas
Part of the problem with TiVo is that it's hard to get across its benefits over the competition until you actually SIT DOWN and use one.
Thank you!
They want me to purchase and expensive item that if I choose to cancel service is useless. Sure Cell Phones and other items would apply but they're not $249-749.
Tivo just give me
1. The ability to offload recorded shows to the Home Computer
use Fairplay or something to control sharing.
2. Robust Networking. Sharing between Tivos. Ethernet. Wireless.
3. Transport. Give me 30second Commercial Skip. Let me assign markers to skip commercials when offloading to PC.
4. External Drive capability. Jacking up my costs up front is doing me no good.
Lot's could be done to make DVR a viable new product. Tivo and ReplayTV haven't done what the typical consumer is asking for so that's why this "amazing" product has nowhere close to the penetration of new hot tech like DVD.