Charter schools dying - is it time for vouchers?
Charter school growth stumbles
Seems like Charters schools have gone into decline. The paperwork and compliance issues have grown year after year and now most of them simply cannot afford to run and meet the paperwork needed as well.
Charter schools were promoted as "public school choice" in an attempt to fight off voucher proponants. If the ever creeping hand of government rule regulations/compliance kills off public charter schools, will people become so frustrated they seek vouchers for all?
Nick
Seems like Charters schools have gone into decline. The paperwork and compliance issues have grown year after year and now most of them simply cannot afford to run and meet the paperwork needed as well.
Charter schools were promoted as "public school choice" in an attempt to fight off voucher proponants. If the ever creeping hand of government rule regulations/compliance kills off public charter schools, will people become so frustrated they seek vouchers for all?
Nick
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Originally posted by Scott
I don't think he's saying that vouchers would reduce paper work for charter schools.
I'm just saying that if the paperwork is the problem, fix the problem. Adding vouchers to the mix doesn't address the problem, it's just a political game.
Subtract vouchers from this entire equation Nick and let's work on a real solution to the problem discussed in this link you posted.
vouchers and charter schools simply do not fix the problem with the american education system. they cover it up. they hide it. they put it in the corner and let it rot like a disfigured limb with gangrene... unless someone here is going to argue that public education should be abandoned all together, its time that the resourses used to support the charter programs, the busing programs, the exemptions etc are put to good use in the establishment of a gradual and openminded standards so that the us' education system is finally the world's best...
sorry, but i went to damn good magnet schools and believe firmly that the quality of education i recieved should be pursued before we abandon the ship toward vouchers and charter schools. it saddens me that people arent willing to volunteer their time (or for that point money) to improve a system which obviously has direct consequences on their quality of life...
Originally posted by Scott
Too many poor kids are caught in poor schools right now.
I think poor kids are the least likely to be able to afford the 'out' though.
Originally posted by bunge
I think poor kids are the least likely to be able to afford the 'out' though.
Unless they have vouchers. Maybe?
Originally posted by Scott
Unless they have vouchers. Maybe?
Maybe? Sure. But I think most evidence shows otherwise. Vouchers give a leg up to rich kids and poor kids still get screwed.
This is more of a parenting issue than anything else. If parents aren't concerned with the education of their children, I don't think vouchers are going to do much to change their minds.
Also, I think the charter schools are more of a response to the early sexualization, pro homosexualtiy, and pop-psych-of-the-week-trend NEA/AFT dogma than maybe anything else. Changing the nature of the primary education system in America is about as feasable as nationalized healthcare, and the AMA just isn't going to allow that to happen (and it shouldn't.) The religion of the NEA/AFT isn't about to change---and the system isn't going to change until they do. They have the power---so screw the poor kids and all reform. Keep passing out condoms, pushing homosexuality, cigarettes and beer are drugs, and whatever the heck they feel like. It doesn't matter that they offend large portions of the population, power is as power does whatever it wants.
Originally posted by bunge
How would vouchers help reduce the necessary paperwork?
Because voucher/private schools do not need to show compliance with the huge volume of laws with which charter schools have to comply.
Charter schools originally did not have to meet many of them as well. However year after year this burder has been added too and now if charters disappear, the conclusion will be that public school choice is unworkable since government can't keep their hands out of everything.
Nick
Originally posted by bunge
Maybe? Sure. But I think most evidence shows otherwise. Vouchers give a leg up to rich kids and poor kids still get screwed.
How exactly would poor kids still end up screwed?
Nick
Originally posted by trumptman
How exactly would poor kids still end up screwed?
Nick
just that the situation stays the same....
Originally posted by Scott
Yea right Every effort to target vouchers to poor kids is shitty public schools is ... stopped. Well not every effort. They try to stop every effort.
In all honesty, this post doesn't make any sense.
Originally posted by thuh Freak
i don't think effort should be to pull kids out of public schools. if public schools are so bad that they are a thing to be avoided, then they should be imroved, or the ones which are beyond help should be closed. I think we should push all public schools up to being 'great'. I haven't really been following just how ragged they've become, or what kind of efforts have been put into them, but if some particular schools are doing real bad, maybe those should be closed. then, the decent ones can then get that much more funding and help. if an area is so unripe with failing schools, then grant the families vouchers; but constant effort, i think, should be put into helping the bad public schools.
Umm yea but they've been trying/doing that but here we are. Mean time some kid could go to a better private school with a little help.
You should read my local paper. They fire a principal and 24 months later the court case ends.
Originally posted by trumptman
How exactly would poor kids still end up screwed?
If we set up a voucher system that allows a family to choose any school they want to send their kid to, and have transportation paid for, then I'll give it a shot.
Originally posted by Scott
They fire a principal and 24 months later the court case ends.
I think that's very good point---pretty much sums alot of things up.