Has there ever been a successful Marxist state ?
Apart from North Korea of course..but I think that qualifies for " Fanatic totalaterian cult worshiping fringe marxist " State of the year award.
I challenge anyone to name me a single marxist state. past or present, ( except Gilligan's island & the Brady Bunch ) that has actually ever worked. ?
Put em up & see how fast we can knock em down...!
I challenge anyone to name me a single marxist state. past or present, ( except Gilligan's island & the Brady Bunch ) that has actually ever worked. ?
Put em up & see how fast we can knock em down...!
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"I very much doubt there are people you could call marxists and even if there are, I´m not one of them" Karl
Originally posted by Anders the White
Your impression of the AI crowd needs some adjusting.
"I very much doubt there are people you could call marxists and even if there are, I´m not one of them" Karl
Your a dissapointment....Karl...
Originally posted by der Kopf
What is the point of this thread, seeing we can all expect what will happen, and you point towards it in the first post (aquafire). All that will be presented will serve the knocking-down tendencies of the other clout. Moreover, what do you call 'succesfull'? A term that is as vague as a salad fart. And, to finish, you wish for some members to defend marxist/communist states, whereas there are little, if not none, who actually believe marxist states are the way to go.
Marxist's wilt like flowers...
Oh de Kopf..don't be such a spoil sport !
If i want to go around poking sticks like Winnie the Pooh that's my look out..If I get stung, I get stung..
If the post dies it dies...
Ps...Maybe your saying no true marxist would use a Mac ?
Lets change the question. What form of government do the most successful states in the world have?
Originally posted by aquafire
Â?Has there ever been a successful Marxist state?Â?
What does it have to do to qualify as Â?successfulÂ??
Apart from North Korea of course..but I think that qualifies for " Fanatic totalaterian cult worshiping fringe marxist " State of the year award.
I don't see anything North Korea succerssfully did except to passably replicate a pre-revolutionary absolute monarchy Ã* la Louis XVI sur stéroïdes, but sans the whole Versailles stylish decadence.
Maybe your saying no true marxist would use a Mac?
Originally posted by New
no, they would probably use linux.
I suppose some of them fancy this distribution: 红旗Linux.
Countries which functioned according to the ideological schools born of the ideas of Marx, Engels, and Lenin, were shown by their record to inefficacious from an economics perspective, and atrocious from a human-rights perspective.
I think that is quite well documented.
Originally posted by Immanuel Goldstein
What does it have to do to qualify as ?successful??
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Provide a sustainable socio-economic alternative to capitalism..One that proports to provide the working class with their marxist equivilant of " heaven on earth "
based on the fruits of their own labours.
But it interests me, how many "psuedo marxists " their are in AI..I won't mention names, but their pretty obvious.
They are perpetually bagging capitalism..& quoting marx of late...but ironically, when asked to put up a marxist model to counter the capitalist model, they usually fall back on such lame excuses as there has never been one because everyone of them has been flawed up till now.
Why is it that it never occurs to marxist's to acknowledge that the same could be said of pure capitalism..?
Capitalism has never worked properly either..But at least it provides more economic benefit to the working class than does the least so called " flawed " marxist states that have ever existed...
Maybe Anders & de Kopf are right..or hiding...
in saying there are no Marxists as such..just a lot of lame socialists...
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Originally posted by aquafire
But it interests me, how many "psuedo marxists " their are in AI..I won't mention names, but their pretty obvious.
Please do. SJO is probably the one who are closest. But she is closer to Bush than Marx.
PS: "they are"
Originally posted by aquafire
Maybe Anders & de Kopf are right..or hiding...
in saying there are no Marxists as such..just a lot of lame socialists...
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You calling ME a marxist? I don't see anybody else here. You calling ME a marxist? (etc. my lame hommage to Taxi Driver).
You are wrong to do so, aquafire, if that's what you're doing. I'm wary of communism, and I have said that before. The main problem, imho, being that it presupposes all humans to be ideal moral creatures, which they are not and will never be.
Originally posted by aquafire
Maybe Anders & de Kopf are right..or hiding...
in saying there are no Marxists as such..just a lot of lame socialists...
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This went under my radar until Kopf quoted it.
Me? Marxist or socialist? your reality sense needs some adjusting with Scotts clue stick
Originally posted by Anders the White
This went under my radar until Kopf quoted it.
Me? Marxist or socialist? your reality sense needs some adjusting with Scott's clue stick
Oh I got to correct something! oh wrong thread! Crap I gotta goto work.
Originally posted by aquafire
in saying there are no Marxists as such..just a lot of lame socialists...
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pardon my ignorance, but i thought Marxism was socialism. someone care to explain the difference to me?
Social Democrat veering to the left and abosutely no liberal.
I am about as Marxist as North Korea. That is, not (clue: work out what you're talking about before talking).
Oh, Kerala by the way. Full of happy people, but socialist rather then Marxist.
Originally posted by der Kopf
You calling ME a marxist? I don't see anybody else here. You calling ME a marxist? (etc. my lame hommage to Taxi Driver).
You are wrong to do so, aquafire, if that's what you're doing. I'm wary of communism, and I have said that before. The main problem, imho, being that it presupposes all humans to be ideal moral creatures, which they are not and will never be.
Ha ha ha ha
de Kopf & Anders..
You both need your "speed reading" knuckles rapped.
Read carefully..Show me where I said either of you were marxists...?
Man, If I could catch fish as easy as this.......stop jumping at the bait since your not " marxists "...
Or do I have to keep throwing you back !
If you must paraphrase Taxi Driver ( my favourite noir )
movie at least get it right...Puh ...leeze..
It's...
" Are you talking to me ? Are YOU talking to ME ?. "
Marx himself would probably turn in his grave at the thought of Cuba-style marxism.
What needs to be recognized however is the impact of Marx' theories on modern historical social, and economical theory. Even the most die-hard capitalist have a learnt a lot form Marx.
Originally posted by New
. Even the most die-hard capitalist have a learnt a lot form Marx.
Yes...? Like what ?
Originally posted by aquafire
Yes...? Like what ?
Look, you wanted someone to name a socialist state so you could knock it down.
I gave you one: Kerala.
I'm waiting.
And wouldn't Sweden and other such essentially socialist countries Marxist?