You know it wasnt Jesus that made him Him. It was the writers of the new testament that did that and the people who believed selectively the stories they were told. Ceasar was as great a miracle caster as Jesus was, it just happens that Ceaser represented THE MAN and Jesus represented the pleblians, that and it was vogue to believe something different than the official doctrine in rome...
or is that a 20th century redition of the jew boy christian messiah and muslim profit...
The thing with Jesus is that, on the one hand he had arguably the best advice in how to deal with yourself and others, but on the other, he claimed to be the Son of God. He is either who he said he was or he was a nutcase.
Ceasar was as great a miracle caster as Jesus was, it just happens that Ceaser represented THE MAN and Jesus represented the pleblians, that and it was vogue to believe something different than the official doctrine in rome...
Historically, he preached nonviolence---not what the Jews were wanting at that moment in history. Certainly not what brought down Jerusalem in 66A.D. (But then, do we really know that Jospehus was there?)
Look, the real reason christianity took off is simple: marketing. Christianity is quite frankly a better product than Judaism. It answers more questions, provides a reason to stay (heaven), and a deterrent to leave (hell). It also appeals to man's inherent laziness since it is not works that gets you into heaven but rather faith. You have no responsibility because the sky daddy's son (which is himself...so damn weird) already took the fall for you.
Look, the real reason christianity took off is simple: marketing. Christianity is quite frankly a better product than Judaism. It answers more questions, provides a reason to stay (heaven), and a deterrent to leave (hell). It also appeals to man's inherent laziness since it is not works that gets you into heaven but rather faith. You have no responsibility because the sky daddy's son (which is himself...so damn weird) already took the fall for you.
C'mon BR, that was THE WORST oversimplified train-wreck synopsis of Christianity I have EVER heard.
Christianity was pretty offensive to the early Romans---they called the Christians "atheists." Christianity was pretty much ass-backwards from the Greek thinking they were into.
Ahh, how sweet. Let this salmon express my feelings of joy.
You are a silly boy.
But then I did have my freshly killed, fresh King (chinook for you neophytes) on the grill last night. I wiped that toothy grin right off his face.....
"...ONE OF THESE DAYS, I'M GOING TO CUT YOU UP INTO LITTLE PIECES!!"
Does it matter? What is important is that the new testament is a wonderful story that can stand on its own. It is a great story that everyone can get a positive message from. Unfortunately the majority of people who claim to be religious and christian are far from that story. But that is true of most all religions.
Does it matter? What is important is that the new testament is a wonderful story that can stand on its own. It is a great story that everyone can get a positive message from. Unfortunately the majority of people who claim to be religious and christian are far from that story. But that is true of most all religions.
Sure, there are some good stories in there with some good lessons, however, I don't see how the core of the new testament is positive at all. It blatantly shirks personal responsibility. One man shouldn't bear all the sins for mankind. People needs to be responsible for their own actions.
I'm sorry, but a story that keeps Gandhi out of heaven but lets in a death row inmate that found jesus just sickens me.
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I'm out of this thread before everyone gets eaten alive!
or is that a 20th century redition of the jew boy christian messiah and muslim profit...
Originally posted by Existence
Who was Jesus and what were his motives?
None of the above. Something between choice #4 and a real historical figure from which the myth was derived.
Originally posted by Existence
Who was Jesus and what were his motives?
If you want to mock..go ahead....
Would love you to post a similar set of remarks for Mahommet & see how far you get ?
But if you want to truly open your eyes..then you are welcome....
http://www.urantia.org
&
http://www..truthbook.org
But somehow I doubt you'll have either the moral fibre or the honesty to study those two links...
But that is why we are free-will creatures....
Originally posted by aquafire
If you want to mock..go ahead....
Would love you to post a similar set of remarks for Mahommet & see how far you get ?
But if you want to truly open your eyes..then you are welcome....
http://www.urantia.org
&
http://www..truthbook.org
But somehow I doubt you'll have either the moral fibre or the honesty to study those two links...
But that is why we are free-will creatures....
Bah you are getting to be worse than fship when it comes to evangelizing.
But somehow I doubt you'll have either the moral fibre or the honesty to study those two links...
Yes, speak down to those you are trying to convert. That helps.
Choose carefully.
Originally posted by billybobsky
Ceasar was as great a miracle caster as Jesus was, it just happens that Ceaser represented THE MAN and Jesus represented the pleblians, that and it was vogue to believe something different than the official doctrine in rome...
Historically, he preached nonviolence---not what the Jews were wanting at that moment in history. Certainly not what brought down Jerusalem in 66A.D. (But then, do we really know that Jospehus was there?)
Originally posted by Earl
I love you, BR. *high five*
Ahh, how sweet. Let this salmon express my feelings of joy.
Also:
Originally posted by BR
Look, the real reason christianity took off is simple: marketing. Christianity is quite frankly a better product than Judaism. It answers more questions, provides a reason to stay (heaven), and a deterrent to leave (hell). It also appeals to man's inherent laziness since it is not works that gets you into heaven but rather faith. You have no responsibility because the sky daddy's son (which is himself...so damn weird) already took the fall for you.
C'mon BR, that was THE WORST oversimplified train-wreck synopsis of Christianity I have EVER heard.
Christianity was pretty offensive to the early Romans---they called the Christians "atheists." Christianity was pretty much ass-backwards from the Greek thinking they were into.
Originally posted by ena
C'mon BR, that was THE WORST oversimplified train-wreck synopsis of Christianity I have EVER heard.
It's merely truth. Christianity has a competetive advantage over Judaism for the reasons I stated.
Originally posted by BR
Ahh, how sweet. Let this salmon express my feelings of joy.
You are a silly boy.
But then I did have my freshly killed, fresh King (chinook for you neophytes) on the grill last night. I wiped that toothy grin right off his face.....
"...ONE OF THESE DAYS, I'M GOING TO CUT YOU UP INTO LITTLE PIECES!!"
Originally posted by billybobsky
or is that a 20th century re[n]dition of the jew boy christian messiah and muslim profit...
PS: it's "prophet." We're not discussing Jim Bakker's timeshares in heaven ruse.
Originally posted by anand
Does it matter? What is important is that the new testament is a wonderful story that can stand on its own. It is a great story that everyone can get a positive message from. Unfortunately the majority of people who claim to be religious and christian are far from that story. But that is true of most all religions.
Sure, there are some good stories in there with some good lessons, however, I don't see how the core of the new testament is positive at all. It blatantly shirks personal responsibility. One man shouldn't bear all the sins for mankind. People needs to be responsible for their own actions.
I'm sorry, but a story that keeps Gandhi out of heaven but lets in a death row inmate that found jesus just sickens me.